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Fractured_Shadow

Really likes to throw things at you.
in a mu like cage vs kenshi it does matter. if pig went to a tournament where there were nothing but cage players he would win hands down because of the character he uses. but that doesnt happen
OFMG...... Look take the BEST players of the characters, match them all up in a tournament where they can't choose another main, who wins (most likley)....
 

Soul Bound X

Kombatant
then why don't you pick him up and do what pig has done? Why hasn't anyone done close to what he has done? Explain.
im sorry. i didnt mean hes easy to master for the average player. but like for a high level player on pigs level i dnt think it would take too long to master him.
 

Flagg

Champion
as much as I hate kenshi, I sincerely agree with this haha.

Kenshi is easy to understand, and hard to master.

Edit: I still hate agreeing with you, it hurts my soul...
Yep. Same can be said about REO's Kabal. The last few tournaments have seen a lot of people with pocket Kabals and the result is always underwhelming in the end.
 

Treadmill

Champion
im sorry. i didnt mean hes easy to master for the average player. but like for a high level player on pigs level i dnt think it would take too long to master him.
oh, so really good players would do well with him..........................which is exactly what my point is. I didn't say anything about how long it takes someone. I said "hard to master". Sooooo...thanks for agreeing with me?
 

Soul Bound X

Kombatant
oh, so really good players would do well with him..........................which is exactly what my point is. I didn't say anything about how long it takes someone. I said "hard to master". Sooooo...thanks for agreeing with me?
yeah. i think a good player like foxy, who only picked up kenshi not too long ago, could do really well with him too. he seems to be really good with him, but idk i could be wrong.
 

Fractured_Shadow

Really likes to throw things at you.
I guess we're back in the prop fishing era lol
That's the feeling that I'm getting.... oh well I guess I will just go look at the Kabal MU chart and tell myself that if I try hard enough with Sheeva I can become a top player becasue it MUST be somthing I'm doing wrong....
 

Treadmill

Champion
That's the feeling that I'm getting.... oh well I guess I will just go look at the Kabal MU chart and tell myself that if I try hard enough with Sheeva I can become a top player becasue it MUST be somthing I'm doing wrong....
there isn't a person on this forum that would say that the character doesn't matter. But just as important, or more important is the player.
 

Fractured_Shadow

Really likes to throw things at you.
yeah. i think a good player like foxy, who only picked up kenshi not too long ago, could do really well with him too. he seems to be really good with him, but idk i could be wrong.
Oh no, Foxy needs to pick up Jade and place top 16 at EVO with her or else he fails as a player..... right?
 

Fractured_Shadow

Really likes to throw things at you.
you are really having a hard time with this concept.
Nope, been trying to argue that from my first post (go read it) just somewhere along the way I was told I was retarded, didn't know what I was talking about, it is all about the player, oh wait we take it back, now it isn't, seriously.... just read the thread from start to finsh and you will see that I am the only person who has maintained the same stance on the issue...
 

Pikachu

I Pikachu while you shower.
If I use kenshi vs dizzy or curbo? MU is 9-1 or 8-2

if you guys do its 7-3 their adv

Prove me wrong
This is very true, tierlist stuff only really apply on the highest level. There are alot of people just hiding behind M.U numbers. And LBSH too many scrub/average players wants to shove their input into stuff. So we end up with alot of stupid "data" and numbers too. You(Kenshi) vs Dizzy(Cage)
is one M.U, You vs Random Cage is another. And 2 Scrubby Cage's are another M.U.
And no one ever has the balls to say this,
is that a lot of the "fish masters", the best players with the fish, are simply not that good
everyone knows it but doesnt want to say it
if you're fundamentally good and could place top 8, you've likely dropped your fish and play a top 15 character at this point
so the "Best" with guys like Noob, stryker, baraka, ect tend to be fairly weak players.