PerfectLegend exposes Sonicfox!

[Lt. Boxy Angelman]

Why does it matter if Sonic isn’t amazing at other games??! Neither is PL FFS lmao. Is Wayne Gretzky diminished because he has 0 Super Bowl rings?

edit: lol no one takes doa seriously, or has in a LONG time. Get that outta here.

When was the last time anyone took MK competitively seriously? Because other than MKX, a game with a still-thriving following that Fox doesn't go anywhere near, this game only just started becoming interesting this year, and MK11 was a boring circus from day one to the day Sonic started staying out of the pit because they weren't winning anymore.

And as far as DOA is concerned, that is exactly what he's talking about. It's the most old man thing in the world to say people give no respect to the path that lies behind them, but they really don't.

You can call Sonic one of the greatest competitors to ever live, but if you're taking into account the totality of fighting game history? They probably make the Top 5 just out of sheer persistence and lack of worthwhile competition. SF and Tekken have playerbases and competitive scenes so fast and full of killers that NRS wishes they had the money to duplicate it so they could milk them for DLC sales, but NRS couldn't keep momentum up any of the times they were rolling long enough to make any progress building their base. Now, we're here.

 

[Grashade]

When was the last time anyone took MK competitively seriously? Because other than MKX, a game with a still-thriving following that Fox doesn't go anywhere near, this game only just started becoming interesting this year, and MK11 was a boring circus from day one to the day Sonic started staying out of the pit because they weren't winning anymore.

And as far as DOA is concerned, that is exactly what he's talking about. It's the most old man thing in the world to say people give no respect to the path that lies behind them, but they really don't.

You can call Sonic one of the greatest competitors to ever live, but if you're taking into account the totality of fighting game history? They probably make the Top 5 just out of sheer persistence and lack of worthwhile competition. SF and Tekken have playerbases and competitive scenes so fast and full of killers that NRS wishes they had the money to duplicate it so they could milk them for DLC sales, but NRS couldn't keep momentum up any of the times they were rolling long enough to make any progress building their base. Now, we're here.

what are you even talking about? Are you sober?

 

[Trickywizard]

what are you even talking about? Are you sober?

Is @Lt. Boxy Angelman sober again?

 

[xenogorgeous]

lol .... PL is almost 40 years old dude and act like a spoiled brat until today ..... he is not relevant anymore and make himself looks so bad and poor stupid in trying to blame and shame SF .... simply pathetic

The best PL could do is just forget about the past and let it go, forget about that 13-0 cringy fuck up that happened and move on with his life

 

[Lt. Boxy Angelman]

what are you even talking about? Are you sober?

I'm talking about the objective reality of the competitive scene that I've been a participant in and observer of for going on fourteen years.

The reality is threefold.
-MK1 took over a year and a half of patching and balance adjustments to reach a point where it doesn't feel like a chore to grind. This is not an opinion unique to me.
-When it comes to anything from difficulty curve to overall enjoyment of the game, MK11 is regarded as the least of all of NRS's offerings, which had a lot to do with why it was the first of their games to be left off the EVO mainstage since before 2011. This is DEFINITELY not an opinion unique to me.
-The moment someone shows up who looks like they could play better than Sonic on a consistent basis, they find something else to do. It happened in MKX with NinjaKilla and all the crazy players that are still going in Destroyer's stream, in Injustice 2 when they lost to Forever King on national television, in MK11 when the new generation players figured out the meta, in SF6 when all that shit-talking about Fang went absolutely nowhere, and then most recently with NinjaKilla again when we figured out which one of them can actually hang in Tekken.

A pattern is a pattern.

Is @Lt. Boxy Angelman sober again?

Way more sober than I used to be, but not enough to not throw back shots laughing at PL trolling the masses with the truth like it's still 2012 and the Mandela Effect hasn't happened yet.

lol .... PL is almost 40 years old dude and act like a spoiled brat until today ..... he is not relevant anymore and make himself looks so bad and poor stupid in trying to blame and shame SF .... simply pathetic



The best PL could do is just forget about the past and let it go, forget about that 13-0 cringy fuck up that happened and move on with his life

I mean...I see you, I feel you, I hear you, but when he literally says at the 9:00 that he's not actually mad, and he's making fun of people for being dumb enough to buy into the same cyclical crap they always buy into...and this thread is still way more about his supposed bitterness instead of the actual tangible facts of what he's talking about, and 90% of the people who hear it are gonna do the "Oh ItS jUsT wAsHeD uP CAAAAAARL, wHaT dOeS hE kNoW?" before they take the time to process what he's actually trying to say...isn't that just proving his point?

This is also a part of why Sonic has gotten to sit unbothered at the top for so long...because so many of the oldheads and great players we used to have got sick and tired of beating their heads against the wall explaining themselves or the reality of the world that we're in, where fighting games used to be fighting games instead of guessing games, to a community that just wants them to be wrong because they don't want to do the work.

The young people don't need to care because they're too hungry for it to matter, but as people like @Mikemetroid and @Mr Aquaman have been saying for YEARS, we've lost too many great players and opportunities as a community because of our inability to see past our own bullshit.

And y'know what? I'd bet a dollar that's the whole reason he did this in the first place: to see how many people would come for his old neck before they bothered seeing his point.

 

[Trickywizard]

-The moment someone shows up who looks like they could play better than Sonic on a consistent basis, they find something else to do. It happened in MKX with NinjaKilla and all the crazy players that are still going in Destroyer's stream, in Injustice 2 when they lost to Forever King on national television, in MK11 when the new generation players figured out the meta, in SF6 when all that shit-talking about Fang went absolutely nowhere, and then most recently with NinjaKilla again when we figured out which one of them can actually hang in Tekken.

A pattern is a pattern.

This x3.

 

[Felipe_Gewehr]

I'm talking about the objective reality of the competitive scene that I've been a participant in and observer of for going on fourteen years.

The reality is threefold.
-MK1 took over a year and a half of patching and balance adjustments to reach a point where it doesn't feel like a chore to grind. This is not an opinion unique to me.
-When it comes to anything from difficulty curve to overall enjoyment of the game, MK11 is regarded as the least of all of NRS's offerings, which had a lot to do with why it was the first of their games to be left off the EVO mainstage since before 2011. This is DEFINITELY not an opinion unique to me.
-The moment someone shows up who looks like they could play better than Sonic on a consistent basis, they find something else to do. It happened in MKX with NinjaKilla and all the crazy players that are still going in Destroyer's stream, in Injustice 2 when they lost to Forever King on national television, in MK11 when the new generation players figured out the meta, in SF6 when all that shit-talking about Fang went absolutely nowhere, and then most recently with NinjaKilla again when we figured out which one of them can actually hang in Tekken.

A pattern is a pattern.

Those points are light-years ahead of anything PL said in his video. He could learn a thing or two about bringing a valid discussion point with you.

 

[Juggs]

This weird thing where we pretend like SonicFox is afraid of competition is hilarious. He has competed and become one of the best in so many different fighting games. And yes, it’s difficult to stay at the top, especially in multiple games. The fact that anyone is able to do it at all is insane. And the fact that SF has been able to do it in many different FG’s just proves how gifted he is at FG’s.

Like, we’re wondering if a SEVEN TIME EVO Champ is actually good or not, lol. Won EVO in Injustice, twice in MKX, DBFZ, MK11, Skullgirls, AND the current MK game, MK1. Not to mention their other championships in the Injustice 2 pro series, won Final Kombat in MK11 AND in… again, the current MK game, MK1. Then there’s the other games they became a top player or dominated in like SkullGirls, SC6, MvCi, Strive, DoA, SF5, SF6, and probably more I’m forgetting.

Like what are we talking about here? This super strange attempt to discredit one of not only the NRS GOATS, but one of the FGC GOATS, is super bizarre and something I wasn’t expecting especially not in 2025

Touch grass please

 

[Grashade]

I'm talking about the objective reality of the competitive scene that I've been a participant in and observer of for going on fourteen years.

The reality is threefold.
-MK1 took over a year and a half of patching and balance adjustments to reach a point where it doesn't feel like a chore to grind. This is not an opinion unique to me.
-When it comes to anything from difficulty curve to overall enjoyment of the game, MK11 is regarded as the least of all of NRS's offerings, which had a lot to do with why it was the first of their games to be left off the EVO mainstage since before 2011. This is DEFINITELY not an opinion unique to me.
-The moment someone shows up who looks like they could play better than Sonic on a consistent basis, they find something else to do. It happened in MKX with NinjaKilla and all the crazy players that are still going in Destroyer's stream, in Injustice 2 when they lost to Forever King on national television, in MK11 when the new generation players figured out the meta, in SF6 when all that shit-talking about Fang went absolutely nowhere, and then most recently with NinjaKilla again when we figured out which one of them can actually hang in Tekken.

A pattern is a pattern.



Way more sober than I used to be, but not enough to not throw back shots laughing at PL trolling the masses with the truth like it's still 2012 and the Mandela Effect hasn't happened yet.



I mean...I see you, I feel you, I hear you, but when he literally says at the 9:00 that he's not actually mad, and he's making fun of people for being dumb enough to buy into the same cyclical crap they always buy into...and this thread is still way more about his supposed bitterness instead of the actual tangible facts of what he's talking about, and 90% of the people who hear it are gonna do the "Oh ItS jUsT wAsHeD uP CAAAAAARL, wHaT dOeS hE kNoW?" before they take the time to process what he's actually trying to say...isn't that just proving his point?

This is also a part of why Sonic has gotten to sit unbothered at the top for so long...because so many of the oldheads and great players we used to have got sick and tired of beating their heads against the wall explaining themselves or the reality of the world that we're in, where fighting games used to be fighting games instead of guessing games, to a community that just wants them to be wrong because they don't want to do the work.

The young people don't need to care because they're too hungry for it to matter, but as people like @Mikemetroid and @Mr Aquaman have been saying for YEARS, we've lost too many great players and opportunities as a community because of our inability to see past our own bullshit.

And y'know what? I'd bet a dollar that's the whole reason he did this in the first place: to see how many people would come for his old neck before they bothered seeing his point.

he quit MKX because INJ2 dropped. He plays to win money not to earn clout in old games.

Mk11 wasn’t removed from the main stage until gasp there was a brand new game on the horizon and support had been long dropped. Guess who competed (and lost) in its last Evo? You’re arguing points that have 0 merit in the discussion. Move the goal posts with someone else

 

[Trickywizard]

This weird thing where we pretend like SonicFox is afraid of competition is hilarious. He has competed and become one of the best in so many different fighting games. And yes, it’s difficult to stay at the top, especially in multiple games. The fact that anyone is able to do it at all is insane. And the fact that SF has been able to do it in many different FG’s just proves how gifted he is at FG’s.

Like, we’re wondering if a SEVEN TIME EVO Champ is actually good or not, lol. Won EVO in Injustice, twice in MKX, DBFZ, MK11, Skullgirls, AND the current MK game, MK1. Not to mention their other championships in the Injustice 2 pro series, won Final Kombat in MK11 AND in… again, the current MK game, MK1. Then there’s the other games they became a top player or dominated in like SkullGirls, SC6, MvCi, Strive, DoA, SF5, SF6, and probably more I’m forgetting.

Like what are we talking about here? This super strange attempt to discredit one of not only the NRS GOATS, but one of the FGC GOATS, is super bizarre and something I wasn’t expecting especially not in 2025

Touch grass please

Agree to everything except SF5 & SF6 he was ass at those games and was never top ever.

 

[Grashade]

This weird thing where we pretend like SonicFox is afraid of competition is hilarious. He has competed and become one of the best in so many different fighting games. And yes, it’s difficult to stay at the top, especially in multiple games. The fact that anyone is able to do it at all is insane. And the fact that SF has been able to do it in many different FG’s just proves how gifted he is at FG’s.

Like, we’re wondering if a SEVEN TIME EVO Champ is actually good or not, lol. Won EVO in Injustice, twice in MKX, DBFZ, MK11, Skullgirls, AND the current MK game, MK1. Not to mention their other championships in the Injustice 2 pro series, won Final Kombat in MK11 AND in… again, the current MK game, MK1. Then there’s the other games they became a top player or dominated in like SkullGirls, SC6, MvCi, Strive, DoA, SF5, SF6, and probably more I’m forgetting.

Like what are we talking about here? This super strange attempt to discredit one of not only the NRS GOATS, but one of the FGC GOATS, is super bizarre and something I wasn’t expecting especially not in 2025

Touch grass please

It’s absolutely INSANE. “He’s not the best at games he doesn’t play” like no shit?

 

[CrimsonShadow]

Also Crimson misquoted me like a mofo lol

LOL, I just saw that! Fixed.

 

[Trickywizard]

LOL, I just saw that! Fixed.

Exposed?

 

[CrimsonShadow]

Carl mostly comes across as bitter. Which I kind of understand, he was a World Champion at MK when being a World Champion at MK was a much smaller deal, and when there was a fraction of the amount of money in the scene, and before streaming really blew up. I imagine a lot of older FGC players might feel this way.

From talking to several of the players who were top players at the same time... They don't. Like, they're happy that they did what they did, and now they've moved on. They all recognize that the new players are great players.

It was never about money for most of them, or stream views. It was about pride, the fun of competition, and repping their scene/skills etc. So they're able to hold onto those memories and live life.

Everyone, except Carl.

 

[Juggs]

Agree to everything except SF5 & SF6 he was ass at those games and was never top ever.

He was the only American to make top 8 in SF5 at one of the Final Rounds with FANG. And he was very good at SF6 with JP. Beating many good players like Justin Wong, KnucleDu, Punk, beat FChamp 10-2 in a ft10, beat G01, had close sets with Mena, Angrybird. Made it Grand Finals against Punk, losing 2-3 to him in a super close set, and there’s a ton more I can’t remember off the top of my head. He was a GREAT SF6 player.

I don’t understand why people are trying to rewrite history. Or why they think that since he didn’t become THE BEST SF5 or SF6 player that somehow means he wasn’t insanely good? I don’t even watch his content like that and I remember all of this stuff, lmao

 

[Trickywizard]

It’s absolutely INSANE. “He’s not the best at games he doesn’t play” like no shit?

He played sf5 got exposed and quit.
Player sf6 got exposed and quit.
Played tekken8 got exposed and quit.

 

[Grashade]

He played sf5 got exposed and quit.
Player sf6 got exposed and quit.
Played tekken8 got exposed and quit.

lmao. Damn. Grashade exposed.

 

[YagamiFire]

SF and Tekken have playerbases and competitive scenes so fast and full of killers that NRS wishes they had the money to duplicate it so they could milk them for DLC sales, but NRS couldn't keep momentum up any of the times they were rolling long enough to make any progress building their base. Now, we're here.

Damn that was well said.

 

[Lt. Boxy Angelman]

he quit MKX because INJ2 dropped. He plays to win money not to earn clout in old games.

Mk11 wasn’t removed from the main stage until gasp there was a brand new game on the horizon and support had been long dropped. Guess who competed (and lost) in its last Evo? You’re arguing points that have 0 merit in the discussion. Move the goal posts with someone else

You're the one who keeps responding, pal.
I'm talking to the adults in the room.

There are also about eleven other points I made that you seem to have no answer for.

Damn that was well said.

The gratitude is real, friend.

I have no emotional horse in this race at all. I respect facts, and after applying the PL Filter - because people forget that fighting games used to be a fucking jungle and we weren't all programmed to be peaceful in the heat of competition - I hear almost nothing but facts.

I realized today, in this thread and this moment, that I am now a Weedoshi. I remember when the MKU guys and all the original clan people like the Crazy 88's, and tourists from other communities were still here all the time, and I would read and gauge and assess wondering what kind of stuff they'd gone through in their time doing this stuff...and now, a decade and a half later, that's me. But spending all that time, especially after MLG, AND the hotness of MKXL in 2016, AANNDD getting on friggin' cable TV with Injustice 2, and they STILL find the most unbelievable ways to drop the ball you've ever seen when they had the chances to grow something big enough to sustain itself like other games always have in spite of their shortcomings...nah, I had no objections to PL going off.

@Trickywizard speaks the truth.
People talking out of the side of their ear about things they literally know nothing about has become the whole fucking culture in society, and it's exhausting.
At least he earned the right to be a pain in the ass.
Let people do anything close to what he did in the time he did it, then get back to me.

 

[just_2swift]

Just shows how pathetic and remedial majority of you are for not even watching watching the video just went into disrespecting the dude for no reason.

Not even worth your weight in dirt. Respectfully.

Anyways. MF spitting straight facts in that video.

 

[M2Dave]

Just shows how pathetic and remedial majority of you are for not even watching watching the video just went into disrespecting the dude for no reason.

First of all, there are reasons, almost all of which are justified.

Bear in mind that Perfect Legend used to be part of my local scene during Mortal Kombat 9 and Injustice 1.

I promise you that I could tell you inside stories that would make the 13:0 fiasco look mild by comparison, but I refuse to kick a guy while he is down.

Fair enough, though.

Let me watch...

Stop glazing Sonic Fox. If he was the goat, he would be playing Street Fighter and dominating in that... Tekken and dominating in that... Fatal Fury and dominating in that...

This criticism is valid, but what Perfect Legend fails to mention is that Sonic Fox placed top 25 at EVO 2023, above players like Daigo, Big Bird, and Ryuusei, in Street Fighter 6, which, to my knowledge, is the largest fighting game tournament of all time.

If you know anything about me, you know that I am no Sonic Fox fanboy.

However, if I were to call out another player for the past ten years, I would want to ensure that my results are somewhere in the realm of credibility and relevancy.

Instead, do you know what he dominates in? A game with a bunch of players who are too stupid to lab the characters.

Mortal Kombat 9 was not exactly the most played fighting game in the FGC during its lifespan.

Could anyone not make the same case about Perfect Legend while he was winning?

This man is in losers right now. Losers top 12. He got his fucking back blown out by a Baraka player.

Does the fact that a 16-old Baraka player beat Sonic Fox not prove that players do lab characters and match ups in the modern NRS community?

Baraka is supposed to be low tier, too.

These talking points are duplicitous, anti-intellectual, and biased, precisely what you expect from Perfect Legend.

So, yeah, standard foolishness and idiocy from the three-time EVO champion.

 

[Jynks]

10 years latter and he's still pissed lol

Seriously though, Sonic is going to start moving into the realms of being "that old guy that used to be unbeatable". The FGC generally considers fighting game skills to be perishable. He will absolutely start loosing more and more. That has nothing to do with him sucking or not being who he was in his hayday.

It is true though that he tried to enter other scenes and while basically dropped into top8 in most of them, has not replicated his success that he had in MK. I want to say that Skullgirls and DragonBall were probably he best other games?

People can go on about sonic as much as they want, but he has always been a force in the fgc in general and in MK itself. Like Perfect Legend himself, or Tom Brady or DJT or whoever. Everyone has their time, and then it is gone.

 

[FrozenG3oX]

Sonic Fox's personal conduct aside, which people may or may not criticize, depending on their set of values, there is no doubt that Sonic Fox, the player, is one of the best fighting game players of all time. He is arguably the fastest fighting game learner ever.

No competitive player is exempt from salt, but win or lose, Sonic Fox exhibits good vibes. He is smiling. He gives his opponents respect and acknowledges their skill.

The same cannot be said about Perfect Legend, for very obvious reasons.

No one is perfect. The fox used to scream for nerfs after he lost to a character like he did to Martian or Sub in MKX. Also he did kinda option select his mk 11 carrer at some point. Granted he was younger so maybe he grew up ? I don't know.

 

[Lt. Boxy Angelman]

First of all, there are reasons, almost all of which are justified.

Bear in mind that Perfect Legend used to be part of my local scene during Mortal Kombat 9 and Injustice 1.

I promise you that I could tell you inside stories that would make the 13:0 fiasco look mild by comparison, but I refuse to kick a guy while he is down.

Fair enough, though.

Let me watch...



This criticism is valid, but what Perfect Legend fails to mention is that Sonic Fox placed top 25 at EVO 2023, above players like Daigo, Big Bird, and Ryuusei, in Street Fighter 6, which, to my knowledge, is the largest fighting game tournament of all time.

If you know anything about me, you know that I am no Sonic Fox fanboy.

However, if I were to call out another player for the past ten years, I would want to ensure that my results are somewhere in the realm of credibility and relevancy.



Mortal Kombat 9 was not exactly the most played fighting game in the FGC during its lifespan.

Could anyone not make the same case about Perfect Legend while he was winning?



Does the fact that a 16-old Baraka player beat Sonic Fox not prove that players do lab characters and match ups in the modern NRS community?

Baraka is supposed to be low tier, too.

These talking points are duplicitous, anti-intellectual, and biased, precisely what you expect from Perfect Legend.

So, yeah, standard foolishness and idiocy from the three-time EVO champion.

But...

...and dammit, Dave, like Kim Kardashian before us, it's a really big but...

...you can be duplicitous, anti-intellectual, and more biased than any other fighting game player alive when it comes to the topic you're discussing, and still be right.

This does not feel like PL calling out Fox as much as he's calling out the NRS world because it's 2025 and our community is still stuck in the same blue furry time loop it's been stuck in for over a decade.

It's not about right, wrong, past or preference.
It's about the facts.

The facts are that Sonic's reputation precedes them for miles, their track record speaks for itself, and there is no universe in which there aren't at least ten or eleven players ahead of Sonic for the best to ever do it.

 

[M2Dave]

No one is perfect..

I agree.

But Perfect Legend is the least perfect.

No pun intended.

This does not feel like PL calling out Fox as much as he's calling out the NRS world because it's 2025 and our community is still stuck in the same blue furry time loop it's been stuck in for over a decade.

What are you talking about?

Perfect Legend is calling out Sonic Fox in the video.

Your entire post is devoid of logic.

Back in the day, the man literally refused to compete in local Cleveland tournaments because "too many Cage and Cyrax players around."

Stop defending this clown.