NRS Agrees - HE NEEDS IT! Cyrax Reset still in MK Vita.

Discussion in '[MK9] Playstation Vita Discussion' started by TakeAChance, May 1, 2012.

  1. AREZ God of War

    AREZ God of War The Crazy BeastMaster


    When you play Summoning's Cyrax....

    ....there are ALWAYS Bombs on the screen. Remember, we're talking about at the HIGHEST-level possible.

    However, to exploit that situation as well: a j.HP, HP,HP,HK,HP,HK, (leave off B+HK) Near Bomb, RJ/dial-combo-chip lockdown -----> Bomb explodes, aaHP,HP.....aaHP, Air Throw will still yield similar damage and there's no DP cuz it's technically 2 combos and the break for the near bomb resets it.
  2. Alice

    Alice Haaave you met Sektor?

    I just have to tell that and I'm sorry if i offend anyone from the community but if you say that he needs his resets you are just lazy to play around with his fundamentals which are nowhere to be crippled. No low starter normal, okay, but nets and bombs, extremely good space controlling capabilities, and 50+ non reset bnb, great anti air and shit. He won't get any massive blockstrings but i have the answer: he is just not about this. But not about his resets also.
    If you can't win without his resets you can't win with them. <----- wise words which should end that 1 year old argument about Cyrax.
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  3. PND_Ketchup

    PND_Ketchup "More deadly than the dawn"
    News Editor Official ESL Gaming

    if you have to get hit by a bomb first, it's not his b&b. Cyrax's b&b is when he touches you. the bombs are situational, and are not his guaranteed b&b.
  4. AREZ God of War

    AREZ God of War The Crazy BeastMaster

    I edited my was in response to this....go back and re-read it. it basically breaks the rule about Net ---> Bomb cuz of the reset, when it's normally Bomb ---> Net

    U can start it w/ a Net, j.HP/SUJK....w/e u want.
  5. Maxter

    Maxter Noob

    Come on ketchup, you are a smart and cool dude, don't say cyrax mk9 can do a 100% the second he touches anyone, on some matches not even the second time he gets someone, there is the situation on how many bars cyrax has, and how many bars opponents has to break, or buidl the breakers, doinga 100% in mk9 is not possible either, try doing this on training mode, even on the situation cyrax has 3 meters and opponents meterless and 100% health the breaker is achieved by the 90% dmg, you will never see things like this on real matches unless is the second round of a fight, i almost did it to pig, but it was cause he didnt break cause there was another round left. i respect your brother doesn't use the resets, i don't care really, but don't make me explain myself over and over again, lets just all drop this and play the game, this is not game breaking at all and most people love this, and other fgcs love the resets too and this doesnt harm the game in any way, lets drop this conversation and celebrate
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  6. PND_Ketchup

    PND_Ketchup "More deadly than the dawn"
    News Editor Official ESL Gaming

    so it was guaranteed from a jip or a meaty dial a combo?
  7. DownfouralitY

    DownfouralitY buff erron
    Premium Supporter

    Kabal wasn't touched! I am a happy guy!
  8. PND_Ketchup

    PND_Ketchup "More deadly than the dawn"
    News Editor Official ESL Gaming

    I didn't mean cyrax in mk9 had 100% combos, i'm just saying that cyrax in mk3 wasnt guaranteed that amount of damage when he hit with you with a dial combo or jip first. That's all i was saying.

    I'm getting nowhere with this anyway, lets just agree to disagree.
  9. TakeAChance

    TakeAChance TYM White Knight

    Seems that way! :)
  10. DownfouralitY

    DownfouralitY buff erron
    Premium Supporter

    I actually think all of this is kind of bullshit. How can there be 2 different versions of the game? What is going to happen?? :(
  11. AREZ God of War

    AREZ God of War The Crazy BeastMaster

    That's a good question. I'm pretty sure you can fuck-up the reset and they can get out, but as long as you do it properly it's unescapable.....there are also other options from there as well, like if they do manage to try and jump out, u can air throw instantly or s.HK or aaRH depending on spacing....which can make things even worse on you since aaRH into a Bomb yields even MORE damage.

    Not saying one is worse than the other, but he does have some pretty nasty concepts behind him when it comes to bomb lock-downs and they can be done as a BnB from dial or j.HP/SUJK/Net w/ enough practice. MK9 and UMK3 Cyrax damage are pretty consistent with each other, tbh.
  12. Konqrr

    Konqrr Rose Namajunas

    Vita = beta testing the new patch
  13. NariTuba

    NariTuba disMember

    Bottom line, its irrelevant at this point whether NRS intended for the net resets (or exploits) to be in the game when it was released.

    Months have passed and they havent removed them... they could have fixed the resets at this point by means of a big nerf thus crippling the character. They avoided the nerf not to protect this particular character, but because they simply dont think that Cyrax resets have a real effect on overall game balance... and they might be right.
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  14. I think we can say that the things removed were removed without intention, while Sindel's damage is clearly a bug, it's ridiculously low. Can't Cyrax be fixed if the pop up after a second bomb were remove? For example, after the first bomb you can combo out of af after the second one you can't. Jax is fine we just don't see many resets in high level play, even cdjr dropped it sometimes at MLG, it was not something hella easy to do but whatever.
  15. TONY-T

    TONY-T Mad scientist

    Im currently playing the game in both pre patch and post patch form and ive found some interesting things regarding what NRS has tried to do in patching cyrax net resets.

    For instance, take this small combo as an example in pre patch cyrax..

    2,1~net, 2,1~net, 1,2..

    In pre patch form, you can connect the 1,2, instantly after the 2nd net has broken. In post patch form the 1,2, misses as they have made a small window after the 2nd net where the character is invincible and cant be hit.

    In the recent patch they actually did try and fix the net resets with this invincibility and it worked, the old net resets didnt work, but the new net reset combos take this invincibility into account. The new net resets time the 2nd net so that they break out of the net just as their about to land on the bomb, thus avoiding the invincibility. This is why they still work. NRS changed the properties of the 2nd net wakeup, so i changed the timing of the bomb in the new net resets.

    So how could they fix this??

    They could again extend the time of this invincibility an extra second or so after the 2nd net, but then it would nerf cyraxs 2nd net vortex and render it useless. The 2nd net vortex is an actual legit reset wich definetley should not be removed.

    Make him only able to throw 1 bomb? That would nerf his normal game beyond belief.

    Get rid of the 2nd net? Again that would just kill his best wakeup option..

    My suggestion, (if they could do it) would be to extend the amount of time it takes for the combo counter to register. The combo counter registers almost instantly when a character touches the ground during a cyrax combo. If they could somehow extend this time so that even if they touch the ground during the reset, the combo counter wont register for atleast a second after they touch the ground. In that time they would get hit by the bomb but the combo would not have finsihed and the normal gravity would still be at its max and not at reset gravity. Again im not sure if they could do this, but imo if they could, it would fix the resets without nerfing anything that doesnt need to be nerfed..

    Now, i actually agree with maxter for the most part. He honestly doesnt need these taken away. let me explain why..

    a 50% combo is all that is needed to create your opponent just slightly over 1 bar of meter. So basically if you have 1 bar of meter and cyrax attempts to do a 75% or 82% reset on you, your going to be able to break that reset at about 47%. meaning cyrax will only be able to get 47% combo on you before you can break. thats basically half the reset. Cyrax players could have just done a regular 60% non reset combo and you would have still been able to break at 47%. It honestly makes no difference wether they did reset or normal combo.

    So what im trying to get at here is essentially it doesnt matter if he has these resets or not, they can allways be broken just like regular combo.

    The only time its safe for a cyrax player to do 75% or 82% reset is when your opponent has no meter or close to no meter, otherwise there useless. But how often does a good player have no meter? And how often do you catch a good player with a net when they have no meter? It wouldnt be often. A good player is constantly building his meter.

    I say leave them.
  16. RampaginDragon

    RampaginDragon Loses to uppercuts

    You just want a new charecter to give up on picking up.
  17. RampaginDragon

    RampaginDragon Loses to uppercuts

    He still gets dmg and makes them use up 2 meters. Not useless. And if he needs to make sure they don't break, he always has command grab mix-up resets. He has an awnser for almost everything, and its most likley you won't feel it in the morning. Because you'll be fuckin dead. Im sorry but Rax is broken.
  18. TONY-T

    TONY-T Mad scientist

    He can make you use up your breaker with just his regular non reset combos. you do realise he has a 63% 1 bar non reset combo right? that combo alone will build you almost 1 and a half meter. he also has a 1 bar 64% wall combo too no reset. Command grab mixups are far from broken. Command grab can be broken on reaction.

    If he has an answer for everything, then why hasnt cyrax won any majors?
  19. Krayzie

    Krayzie Safeties disabled. Krayzie mode engaged!

    He needs it!
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  20. Prinz

    Prinz watch?v=a8PEVV6tt14

    I like the gravity idea. And I like Cyrax having his resets. The only thing that bothers me is that they are guaranteed AND unscaled.
  21. RampaginDragon

    RampaginDragon Loses to uppercuts

    Im not saying he's super uber good like Kabal or Kenshi, just saying that he is broken. To me, the fact that all it take is one net, and if Cyrax lands a mix-up, he can kill you in one swoop, seems kinda broken. And sure, 75% resets are annoying, but so are 63% combos. I doubt anyon can break a command grab on reaction. Break it off of read, thats a diffrent story, but that also can lead to mix-ups for Cyrax.

    In my opinion, the net in itself makes this fighter a little broken.
    10 Frames faster then Iceball
    4 Frames less recovery
    The size of 3 iceballs stacked on top of one another. Broken. And yes, yes I know it has a recharge, but your gunna use that time to set up bombs anyway so it dosnt matter.

    And what I mean by him having an awnser for everything is that for non charecter specific problems atleast, he has an awnser for damn near everything.

    The reset itself isnt the problem. The problem is that it is both guaranteed and unscaled at the same time. And if you do happen to catch someone without meter (which isnt as hard as you were leading on) then they are pretty much going to lose. He is the only fighter in the game that pretty much kill you, just by touching you once.

    And the worst thing of it all is that I don't feel like he needs anywere abouve 55% dmg combos, he is a great fighter without them. But I understand that NRS screwed up so hard with him that they can't even fix it, bar re-writting him completely.
  22. Check

    Check -

    Its MKA WII all over again.

    agreed with Hanzo.

    apparently he didn't need the saw reset though.
  23. PND_Mustard

    PND_Mustard "More stealthful than the night"
    Premium Supporter News Editor Official ESL Gaming

    i dont get the whole 'they pretty much can always break it' argument, cyrax can drain meter remember, if you can hitconfirm into net that means you can also hitconfirm in EX net, you may as well use the second bar to get as much damage as possible before they break, and cyrax builds it back like a motherfucker.
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  24. Prinz

    Prinz watch?v=a8PEVV6tt14

  25. TaffyMeat

    TaffyMeat Infinite Meter Kombos

    The problem I have with Tremor is that:
    I do not want his GP to be broken in that you cannot QR out of it
    I do not want his GP to be a reset into his Fire Blast

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