Noob Saibot General Discussion Thread

[STB Bodam]

Maybe I just don't know the matchup but I find Baraka to be terribly frustrating to fight against. Anyone got any tips for that one? I'll love you a lot.

 

[xKMMx]

Maybe I just don't know the matchup but I find Baraka to be terribly frustrating to fight against. Anyone got any tips for that one? I'll love you a lot.

Before I say this let me preface it by saying I know Baraka has better projectile speed than Noob......but.

Ive had success baiting him into trading projectiles full screen then reacting to his ex blade sparks and punishing with a tele slam combo.

If you have a life lead this is much easier cause if you do hit with spirit ball it damages more than blade sparks do.

 

[xKMMx]

Its so sad to have to say this but I do agree with all that are saying Noob is pretty dried up. It didn't take long for people to figure out he isn't that scary.
I still think its awesome that any touch gets you 35 percent minimum if you have the meter. But getting the touch is pretty difficult against a patient player

 

[Zer0_h0ur]

No offense, my man but unless we're talking offline, that is insanely droppable. Although, I suppose we're talking "optimal" here.

I like @Hitoshura's suggestion to make F4 special cancel. I don't think Noob needs a lot besides corrections to his hurtbox/hitbox, his Krushing Blows fixed a bit, and the properties of Shadow Tackle not being so garbage. I don't much care for Ghostball or really the Seeing Double variation as a whole, as plenty of characters have one terrible variation (I know... that's a lame thing to say but it's true.) I think @M2Dave hit it right on the head really when he said that Noob will essentially be "buffed" by the top-tier characters getting nerfed.

The dash cancel into 113 11+3 Is very doable online. It's the optimal dash cancel 113 into dash cancel 113 shadowtackle for 420 dmg that's very droppable online. I got it once when I was yoloing and celebrated lol. Maybe I'm wrong though. Anyone able to truly do optimal's off 113 online with Noob? I'd be curious

 

[fr stack]

Im confident i can do it with a wired connection its when they are wireless the lag spikes change timing every time u try it

 

[Hitoshura]

Has anyone played online as of the new patch? I swear, the netplay is getting worse and worse! So bad even that when I play people with full 4 bar wired connections I still get insane lag spikes, teleportation and match disconnects. I have great internet, too, and it's wired. I shouldn't be experiencing this issue, and I know it's not only me because people I play with consistently are experiencing the same issues.

 

[Zer0_h0ur]

It's def worse. I stopped accepting wireless matches.

My biggest pet peeve is finding a good connection and the other guy either a) has a mic or b) fatalities after 1 match. The time lost watching a full fatality and the post game stats crap after every. single. match gets annoying af.

 

[federkn]

How do i punish scorpion death spin?

 

[Hitoshura]

How do i punish scorpion death spin?

What is death spin? Is it that move where he twirls his chain around a few times? If so, you punish it with f2,2,1 x shadow tackle, or f2,2,1,2. Whichever you prefer. If they do it and they're close to the corner you can punish it with f2,2,1 x shadow upknee, b1,1+3 xx amplified teleslam, b1,1+3 x spirit ball.

 

[fr stack]

Has anyone played online as of the new patch? I swear, the netplay is getting worse and worse! So bad even that when I play people with full 4 bar wired connections I still get insane lag spikes, teleportation and match disconnects. I have great internet, too, and it's wired. I shouldn't be experiencing this issue, and I know it's not only me because people I play with consistently are experiencing the same issues.

Played a good few ranked matches after the patch last night and i noticed a huge improvement , havent played today yet though

 

[Dante]

Why not f2 tele

 

[NRF CharlieMurphy]

This character needs a one hit splat OH (similar to Scorps) and he'd be golden.

jesus you can't get anyone to stand block or fear an OH. Throws do not condition anyone to block high.

if they aren't going to do that.... then some of his staggers need to be closer to 0.

Maybe they will... maybe they won't. He plays like a bootleg version of Scorpion.

 

[Zer0_h0ur]

SIAP, but after playing over 300 games with noob, and my crappy 38% win rate I have a big observation.
Jump ins are a major, major part of his game. I find in extended sets, jump in 2 with 112 conditioning WILL open up the low B 3 and 212 combos. I think that's why the jump teleport and slow ass air downward kick are part of his kit.
The push back and chip from 112 adds up. He requires Supreme patience to bide time. His d2 and 11+3 KBs combo damage essentially guarantee at least one round from massive damage alone....switching the KB to the manual select can make you become surgical with them.
I'm not abandoning noob, he's forcing me to be a better neutral player that translates to the entire cast.

 

[NRF CharlieMurphy]

I hate to say this.... but i think alot of Noobs neutral is going to come from NJ and jumping.

The amped sickle port is incredibly powerful tool against people he can't always win projectile wars with.

This allows him to then approach with JiK/JiP to get some good chip or a throw, or a naked jump etc.

I don't think he shoudl be played feet on the ground as much as the other characters, until one of either b3,b1 string becomes safe on block.

 

[Professor Oak]

You guys should be playing seeing double vs skarlet. His hurtbox adjusts down and back during shadow slide, which blows up a lot of her normals. Jumping around tentacles with air tele punish is easier than cake. Less damage, but it doesnt matter too much. Hitting a few slides and being able to threaten tackle kb reliably makes up for it, imo.

 

[NRF CharlieMurphy]

You guys should be playing seeing double vs skarlet. His hurtbox adjusts down and back during shadow slide, which blows up a lot of her normals. Jumping around tentacles with air tele punish is easier than cake. Less damage, but it doesnt matter too much. Hitting a few slides and being able to threaten tackle kb reliably makes up for it, imo.

his air tele in Dark Sabbath is just as good.... why would i use the worse version of it?

 

[StormGoddess]

CLASSIC

 

[Professor Oak]

his air tele in Dark Sabbath is just as good.... why would i use the worse version of it?

I dont have to spend meter to get damage and I get slide which hel

his air tele in Dark Sabbath is just as good.... why would i use the worse version of it?

Full screen, doesnt cost bar to get damage, leaves the char outzoning you in decent range.. Have you tried Seeing Double vs Cassie, Skarlet, or at all? Big Combos arent better if you cant open them up or get in. Ghost ball is the real bad trade off, but for specific MUs, esp when you get out zoned and out spaced, what good are those tools? Play style difference maybe, But the Sabbath vars tele isnt that useful in many mus to me. Also, Lol at knowing for sure which variation is better this early. Reminds me of Lao players claiming Lotus Fist was the way to go week 1.

 

[Saltea Mike]

CLASSIC

Instabuy.

 

[Dante]

After blocking kitanas b231 you get a free d1 attempt. Beats any followup

 

[OceanOne]

What are your thoughts on B3 into Tele as a launcher? I'm mainly a Kabal player but I'm trying to learn other characters and I really like Noob despite reading about his cons and how Kabal kinda has the same style but does everything (except damage) better.

Sometimes I get B3 into tele online and it definitely seems kinda hard to do but it's the kind of thing I thought pro players would get it to work more often but to my surprise it doesn't seem to be a popular option at all from the sets I've seen. Should I keep practicing it or should I focus on something else?

 

[fr stack]

What are your thoughts on B3 into Tele as a launcher? I'm mainly a Kabal player but I'm trying to learn other characters and I really like Noob despite reading about his cons and how Kabal kinda has the same style but does everything (except damage) better.

Sometimes I get B3 into tele online and it definitely seems kinda hard to do but it's the kind of thing I thought pro players would get it to work more often but to my surprise it doesn't seem to be a popular option at all from the sets I've seen. Should I keep practicing it or should I focus on something else?

If they block u are gonna get max damage punished and u cant hit confirm it so its a yolo option i sometimes open a match with it if theyre an aggressive player

 

[OceanOne]

If they block u are gonna get max damage punished and u cant hit confirm it so its a yolo option i sometimes open a match with it if theyre an aggressive player

Hmm I see so it's a bad habit trying to go for it too often. Maybe my opponents online are open now but when and if I get better It'll probably won't work anymore.

 

[Dante]

Hmm I see so it's a bad habit trying to go for it too often. Maybe my opponents online are open now but when and if I get better It'll probably won't work anymore.

You can consistently confirm it if done in response to them hitting buttons. My most common setup for it is F22 on block then backdash cancel into b3 and while I press b3 I look for the opponent pressing buttons and do the tele

 

[OceanOne]

You can consistently confirm it if done in response to them hitting buttons. My most common setup for it is F22 on block then backdash cancel into b3 and while I press b3 I look for the opponent pressing buttons and do the tele

Got it, I'll try that!! Also, whats your visual cue to connect the Tele? I did it really fast sometimes in practice but it didn't work consistently.

Thanks a lot!