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New 3D-Era Representation: Who Makes it to MK12?

Two 3D-era Representatives for MK12

  • Jarek

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Reiko

    Votes: 12 19.4%
  • Kai

    Votes: 1 1.6%
  • Mavado

    Votes: 1 1.6%
  • Hsu Hao

    Votes: 2 3.2%
  • Li Mei

    Votes: 12 19.4%
  • Nitara

    Votes: 12 19.4%
  • Drahmin

    Votes: 4 6.5%
  • Dairou

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Darrius

    Votes: 1 1.6%
  • Hotaru

    Votes: 6 9.7%
  • Shujinko

    Votes: 5 8.1%
  • Kobra

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Ashrah

    Votes: 11 17.7%
  • Kira

    Votes: 2 3.2%
  • Havik

    Votes: 29 46.8%
  • Taven

    Votes: 2 3.2%
  • Dagon

    Votes: 1 1.6%
  • Sareena

    Votes: 13 21.0%
  • Meat

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62

mattteo

Apprentice
Show that same person a picture of even some of the more popular 3D era characters like Havik or Ashrah, and they’ll have absolutely zero idea who that is.

Yes, UNTIL....they are put in the roster. No one had any idea who Cassie Cage was before 2015. Now fans instantly recognize her because she was in 2 games, as hero front and center.

Same thing for a lot of characters who were made popular just by being used in the game roster often: Nightwolf, Sindel etc

Before MK11 there was actually a big debate of Sareena or Sindel is more popular. After the entire Sindel debate, the question is mute. She was just in the spotlight.
 

Sugarwatermixlegit

Bruce Campbell 4 MK!!!
Yes, UNTIL....they are put in the roster. No one had any idea who Cassie Cage was before 2015. Now fans instantly recognize her because she was in 2 games, as hero front and center.

Same thing for a lot of characters who were made popular just by being used in the game roster often: Nightwolf, Sindel etc

Before MK11 there was actually a big debate of Sareena or Sindel is more popular. After the entire Sindel debate, the question is mute. She was just in the spotlight.
This is true, exactly why I think 3D era characters should get a second chance, even the shitty ones (imo)

But my point still stands that since Johnny and Sonya have a 30 year legacy, they’re still going to be among the most iconic on the roster. More so than even any of the MKX or 11 newcomers. Yes, Scorpion and Sub are the Ryu and Ken of the MK series, but Vega and Cammy are not too far off, for example
 

mattteo

Apprentice
Wouldn't Vega and Cammy be Liu Kang, Raiden, Kitana? All more important than Johnny, Sonya or at least Jax and Kano
 

Sugarwatermixlegit

Bruce Campbell 4 MK!!!
Wouldn't Vega and Cammy be Liu Kang, Raiden, Kitana? All more important than Johnny, Sonya or at least Jax and Kano
I think any of the MK1 cast are interchangeable at this point, with the exception of the ninjas and Raiden. Johnny especially I think has rocketed in popularity within the last ten years.

I think any of the original cast are of equal importance. To the story? Maybe not. To the franchise of Mortal Kombat? Absolutely.
 

chrisisnice

I'm a lover, not a fighter
Surprised to see only one vote for Kai, I think you guys are underestimating his chances.

  • he's from MK4 and NRS clearly likes that game's newcomers, they've already brought back four of them
  • he almost made it to MKX's story mode
  • Ed loved his handstand and wanted to make it a whole separate stance in Armageddon, so it's very likely that in MK12 he'd return as a capoeira fighter - many fighting game players love capos and would certainly be interested in that
  • now that Liu Kang is a god his moveset will most definitely change to some degree, which would help Kai stand on his own in terms of originality
  • MK is lacking when it comes to black representation, and it seems that most black characters from MK11 have high chances of skipping MK12 (Jacqui, Geras, Jade)
Sure he's not among the most requested characters, but if this time we're getting more 3D era characters (and that seems to be the case based on Ed's tweets) then I could easily see him as the wildcard of this roster
No one likes him (well, apart from one person!), so it is no surprise. He was a bit of a reject like Jarek.
 

xRantex

Rante Inferno
No one likes him (well, apart from one person!), so it is no surprise. He was a bit of a reject like Jarek.
I'm that one person! lol idk if I'm being biased but I feel it's the perfect opportunity for him to return!

Also he's named dropped in MK11. Raiden has a staff called "Kais gift" hmmm?

So he's definitely talked about! and I wouldn't be surprised if he returned in Liu's spot ! Fingers crossed lol
 

Pizza

Thrill Kill
-Thanks Raiden, but I'm not interested in becoming a Shaolin warrior anymore. I've got many of my own problems to deal with.
-What will you do next?
-I don't know... wander the Earth... search for my soul... that kind of thing.


I wonder if Kai finally found himself after so many years
 

xRantex

Rante Inferno
-Thanks Raiden, but I'm not interested in becoming a Shaolin warrior anymore. I've got many of my own problems to deal with.
-What will you do next?
-I don't know... wander the Earth... search for my soul... that kind of thing.


I wonder if Kai finally found himself after so many years

Naw I'm thinking more like:
"Raiden thanks u my ninja! You believed in me!" Lol

But yea Kai can definitely be brought back ;)
 

Juxtapose

Master
Johnny and Sonya are in all the movies, front and center in the best selling games, and shit they’re even name dropped in the iconic song.
He was absent in the last live action film (I think he was on a poster at the end or something), and he was a commonly asked about character, including for the sequel. Cage and Sonya are popular.

Sonya is regularly regarded as the most popular female character in the franchise, followed by Kitana.

I want 3D era characters just as badly as everybody else...
Clearly you don't mean me :laughing:.

No one had any idea who Cassie Cage was before 2015. Now fans instantly recognize her because she was in 2 games, as hero front and center.
In addition, she's also a good character.

Johnny especially I think has rocketed in popularity within the last ten years.
Yes he has. There's a few characters who's popularity has grown through the modern trilogy, and the foremost that come to mind are Johnny and Mileena.
 

Pizza

Thrill Kill
Johnny "died" around MK3 and was immediately brought back in MK4 for the fans rejoice. Since then I think he missed only one game, which is a big negative on that game.
Imagine taking a character like Johnny out and introduce some of the worst new characters in the franchise instead. Of course people won't be happy.
 

Nickolaidas

Agent of Chaosrealm
Yes. They absolutely sell.

Johnny and Sonya are in all the movies, front and center in the best selling games, and shit they’re even name dropped in the iconic song.

If you show somebody at a game or comic convention a picture of Sonya Blade, chances are they’ll recognize her. Show that same person a picture of even some of the more popular 3D era characters like Havik or Ashrah, and they’ll have absolutely zero idea who that is.

I want 3D era characters just as badly as everybody else, but let’s not act like the original seven being on the roster again is a bad thing for publicity
I agree. That said, it's not something that can't change. All you need to do is put a character front and center for the next two MK games' story modes, and he's an icon, unless the character is a MASSIVE misfire.
 

Pizza

Thrill Kill
I agree. That said, it's not something that can't change. All you need to do is put a character front and center for the next two MK games' story modes, and he's an icon, unless the character is a MASSIVE misfire.
Takeda was a misfire.

Wow the SON OF KENSHI and TRAINED BY SCORPION!

Completely overshadowed by Cassie's and Kung Jin's charisma and Jacqui because Jacqui. Everyone was sure he was going to be in MK11 yet he didn't show up at all.
 

Law Hero

There is a head on a pole behind you
Takeda was a misfire.

Wow the SON OF KENSHI and TRAINED BY SCORPION!

Completely overshadowed by Cassie's and Kung Jin's charisma and Jacqui because Jacqui. Everyone was sure he was going to be in MK11 yet he didn't show up at all.
MKX in general was a misfire, especially the kombat kids. It still baffles me to this day that they didn't have Frost as part of the special forces group. It makes perfect sense for the Lin-Kuei to have a rep there as a show of good faith working alongside a Shirai Ryu. We could have had a cool rivalry (or possible romance) between Frost and Takeda especially with Frost being so arrogant and hot-headed. Kung Jin was supposed to be the rogue, but Frost would have made for a perfect troublemaker character to add drama.

I typically HATE second gen characters, but they could have made it work if they hadn't been so terribly, terribly written.
 
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Juxtapose

Master
Takeda was a misfire.
Really? I recall him being very well liked as a new character. He and Cassie. It was Jacquie and Kung Jin I recall being less well received.

MKX in general was a misfire, especially the kombat kids.
I'm confident they were trying something new. Keep in mind, Mortal Kombat: Armageddon was meant to truly kill off most of the characters and the next game was going to feature a nearly all new roster. That obviously didn't happen, but seeing as how we still have many of the same key creatives as from the Midway days, I'm sure many of them are a little tired of rehashing the same characters over and over again.

I believe characters like Cassie, Takeda, Jin, and Jacqui were a test to see if they could have Sonya, Cage, Jax, and perhaps even Scorpion sit out a game or so, letting the developers explore new more new characters that had a connection to the old. Obviously that didn't fly, and thus why we have both or only the older gen in Mortal Kombat 11.

We could have had a cool rivalry (or possible romance) between Frost and Takeda especially with Frost being so arrogant and hot-headed.
This is a very interesting idea. For Frost though, I think NetherRealm had already decided to go the more traditional villain route with her. In the Mortal Kombat X comics, which were (are?) canon, she attempts to kill Cassie Cage. This is set roughly a few years before the game when the Kombat Kids were actually closer to being kids (as in the games they're actually young adults with years of real world experience. In the comics, they're younger and untried), and in-game, Frost tries to kill Hanzo quite quickly.
 

Nickolaidas

Agent of Chaosrealm
Takeda was a misfire.

Wow the SON OF KENSHI and TRAINED BY SCORPION!

Completely overshadowed by Cassie's and Kung Jin's charisma and Jacqui because Jacqui. Everyone was sure he was going to be in MK11 yet he didn't show up at all.
You're kidding, right?
 

Pizza

Thrill Kill
Jacqui is a NRS favorite, she was bound to come back.

But then the only returning characters were Cassie, D'Vorah, Kotal Kahn and the cowboy. Takeda's absence speaks volumes.
 
Jacqui is a NRS favorite, she was bound to come back.

But then the only returning characters were Cassie, D'Vorah, Kotal Kahn and the cowboy. Takeda's absence speaks volumes.
Picking Jacqui over Takeda spoke volumes, along with putting her in Kotal Kahn's Reveal trailer and having her kill him in his own trailer.
Then there's the Jacqui jump
Then there was never nerfing the Jacqui jump despite months of people no doubt telling them "nerf this jump"

So yeah Jacqui Briggs was definitely the Poochie of Mortal Kombat 11.
 
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My 2c on Kombat kids.
Jackie has the best to offer in terms of gameplay. That said,
Kombat kids should have never been militairy and descenands from these specific characters.
  • Cassie should be Stryker's daughter. This could actually omit the parent for ever, while the next gen being a better character. kind of funny to have an amagalm of Sonya and Johhny though.
  • Jackie being the daughter of jax, with her non existent charisma and mystique, was doomed to never surpass the parent. She could be tied to 3D diarrou or being a new godess or whatever.
  • Takeda is a misfire indeed. The lamest and most predictable of all 4, his mkx design is weird, a character who has not clear element and powers can't be iconic, especially if he is supposed to be the next gen kenshi or scorpion(lol)
  • Kung Jin is the best of all 4, has the best backstory, he is the most real character and is actually related to real authentic mk corny stuff we love. Much like takeda though, he suffers from unclear design, gameplay and element. He has a boomerang and bow which is also a staff.
These things are complicated, unnecessary, not intriguing and forced to fail.
On the contrary you have a reptile named reptile and is dressed as a ninja.
Simplicity, statement, colour.
 
MKX in general was a misfire, especially the kombat kids. It still baffles me to this day that they didn't have Frost as part of the special forces group. It makes perfect sense for the Lin-Kuei to have a rep there as a show of good faith working alongside a Shirai Ryu. We could have had a cool rivalry (or possible romance) between Frost and Takeda especially with Frost being so arrogant and hot-headed. Kung Jin was supposed to be the rogue, but Frost would have made for a perfect troublemaker character to add drama.

I typically HATE second gen characters, but they could have made it work if they hadn't been so terribly, terribly written.
While i mostly agree, let me say this.

MKX art direction was ahead of it's era. If the game didn't have questionable roster and story it could go right under mk2.
Nice idea about frost btw.
I'm confident they were trying something new. Keep in mind, Mortal Kombat: Armageddon was meant to truly kill off most of the characters and the next game was going to feature a nearly all new roster. That obviously didn't happen, but seeing as how we still have many of the same key creatives as from the Midway days, I'm sure many of them are a little tired of rehashing the same characters over and over again.

I believe characters like Cassie, Takeda, Jin, and Jacqui were a test to see if they could have Sonya, Cage, Jax, and perhaps even Scorpion sit out a game or so, letting the developers explore new more new characters that had a connection to the old. Obviously that didn't fly, and thus why we have both or only the older gen in Mortal Kombat 11.
I think it's more that it had to be done, as we discussed in another thread of how mk follows whatever is hot every period. Seems plausible to try next gen to some of the safest choices like the most "boring" humans.

Imagine the nightmare of not having scorpion again in a game. With a whiny takeda with lightsabers and cyberwhips being the replacement.
 
Really? You rate someone with guns and punching over a dude with a lazer whip as adding something "new" and interesting in terms of gameplay to the franchise?
Haha kind of. Jackie is like this mma fighter, you could say this style was missing from Mk.
I preferred takeda myself, as he was flashier and more midscreen which is my taste.
But as I said, he is messy, unclear. Jacquie is more distinctive on what is.

Edit: and I also dislike guns