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New 3D-Era Representation: Who Makes it to MK12?

Two 3D-era Representatives for MK12

  • Jarek

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Reiko

    Votes: 12 19.4%
  • Kai

    Votes: 1 1.6%
  • Mavado

    Votes: 1 1.6%
  • Hsu Hao

    Votes: 2 3.2%
  • Li Mei

    Votes: 12 19.4%
  • Nitara

    Votes: 12 19.4%
  • Drahmin

    Votes: 4 6.5%
  • Dairou

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Darrius

    Votes: 1 1.6%
  • Hotaru

    Votes: 6 9.7%
  • Shujinko

    Votes: 5 8.1%
  • Kobra

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Ashrah

    Votes: 11 17.7%
  • Kira

    Votes: 2 3.2%
  • Havik

    Votes: 29 46.8%
  • Taven

    Votes: 2 3.2%
  • Dagon

    Votes: 1 1.6%
  • Sareena

    Votes: 13 21.0%
  • Meat

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62

Juxtapose

Master
One could say the 3d era had superior lore and stages to modern games.
I personally didn't like the lore at all. Or most of the new characters. And direction they took many of the klassic characters. The general gameplay was also pretty clunky.

The only things I can think of that I liked about the 3D era (and again, I'm speaking of "Deadly Alliance" through "Armageddon"), are the concept of some of the mini-games and some of the stages.

These 3 games as a whole though just weren't that good.
 

mattteo

Apprentice
One could say the 3d era had superior lore and stages to modern games.

That the 3D era had the best stories and lore is indisputable (Quan Chi and Shang Tsung alliance, Onaga return, Sub-Zero growth into a Master of his own and his quest to find his own people in the mountains of Outworld where Frost becomes frozen and he carries her back home, Scorpion's growth from a villain in MK4 into an antihero Champion of the Gods, the story of Old Edenia with the demigod brothers and tied to Rain and Shinnok's plan of ages in Armageddon, Mileena becoming Queen of Edenia impersonating Kitana and opening the doors to Shao Kahn and his army, the civil war between Bo'Rai Chi, Li Mei and the rest against tarkatans etc). .

It is a known fact it was better and accepted by the wide MK community.
 

Art Lean

Kombatant
I personally didn't like the lore at all. Or most of the new characters. And direction they took many of the klassic characters. The general gameplay was also pretty clunky.

The only things I can think of that I liked about the 3D era (and again, I'm speaking of "Deadly Alliance" through "Armageddon"), are the concept of some of the mini-games and some of the stages.

These 3 games as a whole though just weren't that good.
Totally agree. I personally didn't like any of the Order Realm, Chaos Realm, the Red Dragon clan, Taven, Daegon, One Being, Onaga and Blaze stuff at all.

Absolutely loved Deception's Konquest mode though, that's the main thing I even remember from my days playing that game. I've not played it in nearly 20 years so is probably absolute rubbish nowadays, but thoroughly enjoyed it at the time. Whilst I wasn't a fan of some of the silly realms I had to visit, just being able to freely explore MK's universe in an RPG whilst unlocking things in the main game was something I wish had always been preserved in the games that followed. Plus with it being called 'Konquest' and featuring lots of cheap-looking Western interpretations of Asia with hazy pink skies and ninjas running around, I pretended in my head it was an official game of the TV show Mortal Kombat Conquest (another Mortal Kombat product I loved probably far more than I should have).

I also enjoyed things like death traps, multi-tiered stages and some of the arenas. But damn, Deadly Alliance needed stage-fatalities/death traps, it felt so static without them, especially on levels like the Wu Shi Academy that was just begging for one.
 

Juxtapose

Master
Totally agree. I personally didn't like any of the Order Realm, Chaos Realm, the Red Dragon clan, Taven, Daegon, One Being, Onaga and Blaze stuff at all.
Yup. The new realms, plot lines, characters, etc. were all second rate, and again, there's a reason it's considered the low point for the franchise. Those who do like it tended to have grown up with it, so there's certainly rose coloured glasses in effect there. Which I get and that's cool. Nostalgia is a very powerful thing, and that goes for those of us who prefer the original trilogy too.

Absolutely loved Deception's Konquest mode though, that's the main thing I even remember from my days playing that game. I've not played it in nearly 20 years so is probably absolute rubbish nowadays, but thoroughly enjoyed it at the time.
It was interesting, but completely overshadowed by Jade Empire, an action RPG by BioWare that did everything it was trying to do but vastly better. I last played it closer to a decade ago (Konquest Mode), and it has aged very, very poorly.
 
I personally didn't like the lore at all. Or most of the new characters. And direction they took many of the klassic characters. The general gameplay was also pretty clunky.

The only things I can think of that I liked about the 3D era (and again, I'm speaking of "Deadly Alliance" through "Armageddon"), are the concept of some of the mini-games and some of the stages.

These 3 games as a whole though just weren't that good.
I agree for most of it. Still, these second rate worlds, plot and stages, had some mystery and sinister mk atmosphere. The 3d chars while many of them unbearable, still were somewhat good plot drivers, adding some drama and intrigue, pushing factions. Eventually supporting the main cast and world build, while extending the lore without timeline cheese and future past selfs.
Yes the gameplay was trash and chunky and this era is indeed the lowpoint, but its fair to say they got a few things right.
 

DoDaMuSiC

Ermac ftw
Story wise, 3d era plot is miles better than current nrs plot.
Even tho the tournament will forever be the best, we cant stay at it forever, and the direction that the story took with mkx and mk11 just aint good.
You cant tell me that gun fighters special forces plot and freaking kronika time travel stuff is better than exploring all different realms and lore the game has.
The only cool part of modern games’ stories was the outworld civil war, and it lasted like 4 chapters :coffee:
 

Nickolaidas

Agent of Chaosrealm
Story wise, 3d era plot is miles better than current nrs plot.
Even tho the tournament will forever be the best, we cant stay at it forever, and the direction that the story took with mkx and mk11 just aint good.
You cant tell me that gun fighters special forces plot and freaking kronika time travel stuff is better than exploring all different realms and lore the game has.
The only cool part of modern games’ stories was the outworld civil war, and it lasted like 4 chapters :coffee:
Imagine if MKX's story mode was actually the MKX comic story arc. But with a Shinnok chapter in the end, instead of ending with 'just' Havik.
 

Juxtapose

Master
I agree for most of it. Still, these second rate worlds, plot and stages, had some mystery and sinister mk atmosphere. The 3d chars while many of them unbearable, still were somewhat good plot drivers, adding some drama and intrigue, pushing factions. Eventually supporting the main cast and world build, while extending the lore without timeline cheese and future past selfs.
Yes the gameplay was trash and chunky and this era is indeed the lowpoint, but its fair to say they got a few things right.
^This is very well put, and a very fair assessment overall. Kudos.

Imagine if MKX's story mode was actually the MKX comic story arc. But with a Shinnok chapter in the end, instead of ending with 'just' Havik.
I still maintain a plotline focused solely on the Outworld Civil War would have been fantastic.
 

Rice

SIRO FOR MK1
WIth the recent Tekken 8 reveals i would be down for Shujinko to return and become the Leroy Smith of MK.
 
Surprised to see only one vote for Kai, I think you guys are underestimating his chances.

  • he's from MK4 and NRS clearly likes that game's newcomers, they've already brought back four of them
  • he almost made it to MKX's story mode
  • Ed loved his handstand and wanted to make it a whole separate stance in Armageddon, so it's very likely that in MK12 he'd return as a capoeira fighter - many fighting game players love capos and would certainly be interested in that
  • now that Liu Kang is a god his moveset will most definitely change to some degree, which would help Kai stand on his own in terms of originality
  • MK is lacking when it comes to black representation, and it seems that most black characters from MK11 have high chances of skipping MK12 (Jacqui, Geras, Jade)
Sure he's not among the most requested characters, but if this time we're getting more 3D era characters (and that seems to be the case based on Ed's tweets) then I could easily see him as the wildcard of this roster
 

mattteo

Apprentice
Surprised to see only one vote for Kai, I think you guys are underestimating his chances.

  • he's from MK4 and NRS clearly likes that game's newcomers, they've already brought back four of them

I like Kai, but there's big chances that this game is set in an older era of Mortal Kombat. It's more or less confirmed it will at least begin there.

Kai doesn't fot that age unless some really bad retcon happens (which yes, it may, I think I read about him bei g very old somewhere).

The timeline may or may not jump forward at some point. I don't believe it will because if you are gonna show the world as it was in the Great Kung Lao time you need at least an entire game to make us relate to characters there.
 
Surprised to see only one vote for Kai, I think you guys are underestimating his chances.
  • MK is lacking when it comes to black representation, and it seems that most black characters from MK11 have high chances of skipping MK12 (Jacqui, Geras, Jade)
Kai was originally Nepali until Armageddon gave him cornrows and a beard. While I'm probably one of the few who like Kai I don't like his Armageddon look and I'd hate to see it come back over the MK4 design.
 
I like Kai, but there's big chances that this game is set in an older era of Mortal Kombat. It's more or less confirmed it will at least begin there.

Kai doesn't fot that age unless some really bad retcon happens (which yes, it may, I think I read about him bei g very old somewhere).

The timeline may or may not jump forward at some point. I don't believe it will because if you are gonna show the world as it was in the Great Kung Lao time you need at least an entire game to make us relate to characters there.
I don’t think they're even going to introduce any new characters from that era. I imagine Liu Kang will help Great Kung Lao defeat Goro, but right after that he’ll leave that era and travel to some point in the future in hopes he changed history for the better (though he’ll probably find out that he caused an invasion of evil or smthn like that lol). That way any character could still be alive for the rest of the story.
 
I don't want to see current era with SF and guns again.

I wish they go 10000 years in the past
I don't think that's ever going to happen. Characters like Johnny and Sonya are some of the most recognizable faces of MK among the general public. Some of us fans may be tired of them, but they do sell a LOT of copies. Even when kombat kids got introduced they still stayed in the game, cause WB will not let them go as long as they make them money. Story will never be a priority for WB because casuals don't care much about lore.

That being said, I feel like this time special forces will be much less present in the story. Something tells me kombat kids will skip the base game and we'll only see Cassie and Takeda as DLC
 

mattteo

Apprentice
Are Johnny Cage and Sonya that important? Do they sell?

I remember when games did not have Cage and Sonya nor the level of humor of a second grader.

I want an epic prequel
 

Sugarwatermixlegit

Bruce Campbell 4 MK!!!
Are Johnny Cage and Sonya that important? Do they sell?

I remember when games did not have Cage and Sonya nor the level of humor of a second grader.

I want an epic prequel
Yes. They absolutely sell.

Johnny and Sonya are in all the movies, front and center in the best selling games, and shit they’re even name dropped in the iconic song.

If you show somebody at a game or comic convention a picture of Sonya Blade, chances are they’ll recognize her. Show that same person a picture of even some of the more popular 3D era characters like Havik or Ashrah, and they’ll have absolutely zero idea who that is.

I want 3D era characters just as badly as everybody else, but let’s not act like the original seven being on the roster again is a bad thing for publicity