Goro has weak anti airs and bad mids. Those are very relevant weaknesses on this game. Jason's "getting zoned" weakness, is not. Not to mention you make this post assuming that Goro isn't really good as well. Goro is another "bro he's Jason cmon" character. He's not as good as Jason at this point obviously, but D tier? lol
What does that even mean? Of course there's going to be characters in low tier; some characters are just ill-equipped and not that strong, it happens. I would submit that characters who are largely based around command grabs that get zero oki from them and can't move very well have an insane weakness where not only they get spaced out, but also don't actually get a reward when they land their big move. That's why people don't think Goro or Jason are any good, and it's a solid reason.
Jason can't move very well. Right.
First off, my apologies to @cR WoundCowboy for derailing this thread by arguing with Tweedy of all people, but I'll try to keep it short and sweet.
It's not about projectiles on the screen, it's any form of spatial advantage, which includes normals. I imagine projectiles are pretty annoying, but he might have a way around them. The real problem is that he's so slow in moving that he can't possibly outmaneuver the vast majority of the characters who have wicked normals/specials that allow them to control the space where his one decent string, b121, will lose hard to low profiling or just faster moves. What the hell is Jason going to do against Jax, Mileena, Alien, Predator, D'vorah, even lamer characters like Kenshi probably give Jason a hard time just because he can't move well enough to manuever himself out of position of his moves.
I agree with most of that. Him getting in is always worth it once he does. I think his issues weighed against his strengths don't equate to a bottom 3 character. It also isn't really that hard to keep the momentum. Slasher has long range normals, and Slasher B1 doesn't suffer from many low profiling issues. His knockdowns have decent enough advantage and he has okay corner carry. Especially off of the B1 string, the corner carry is great.
I think that's where I guess I don't see it. If he gets in with Slasher, he has a very not safe mixup between low and overhead that is not particularly fast, and doesn't have particularly good moves beyond b1 to force a block mixup. In the others, he has the command grabs, but they essentially re-position in a bad way almost every time because whichever corner you're closest to, he's throwing them out unless he has meter, which probably gets very expensive over time. He does decent enough damage in Slasher and below average in the others, and I'm also not too sure that his d1 and b3 are good enough threats to stave off the awesome spatial control of the majority of the cast
He has good pokes too. He probably has the best D1 in the game. Yeah the Jason's base damage is meh but like you said, slasher's is decent, relentless has the passive, and unstoppable has the buff up. Imo, Jason doesn't seriously lack anything except mobility, and relentless has a teleport if you desperately want to move. I guess we will just have to agree to disagree. Only time will tell with Jason.
"The best D1 in the game.." Yet, we ignore Kotal's D1 or Ferra/Torr's? Mileena's would be something but it has no range and doesn't effectively set up anything.
it's 6 frames, has a good hitbox, and is -2. it's the best d1 in the game
It has the same speed as Kotal's D1. Please please please tell me why minus 5 is better than Jason's minus 2.
Lul... F/T is like 6 frames and reaches stupid far, but it's also -6 on block and -10 if we go for a tick but you take the hit.
I dare say she was top 5. The only 3-7 mu where Sonya, Cyrax. Kuhbaul was 4-6.
I already got this discussion with ATK, on my Tier list Skarlet only loses to Cyrax 7-3, Sonya was actually 5-5 and Kabal was 4-6, Cyrax being the hardest because she could lose an entire game from a single mistake, and his bomb game was much harder to deal with in the neutral.
what do you mean deal with her kunai otg? i agree cyrax was kinda tough for her, i think lao prolly 6-4'd her as well as kabal sonya. it wasn't really her mu chart that was too bad, it was just she had a few weaknesses from people who were smart enough to crouch.
Skarlet could pin any character with 1 frame low dagger(kunai) and hit them before the wakeup window appear on mostly any knockdown, if they tried to do any wakeup attack during the pin it would cause a meter drain glitch and they were forced to stand block or stand hit with an enormous amount of hitstun making her plus enough to start anything.
if they delayed there wakeup though your dagger wiffs. yeah and her lack of meterless wakeup wasn't too nice either. and she was super meter dependant.. solid char but meter dependant and weak to crouching like jax kinda
It doesn't whiff, it picks them up.
Yup it still does
Uhhh Dink I don't think his list of Jews that saved from genocide is bad at all >3<