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Match-up Discussion My retirement/post-Evo MU chart.

Am I an upplayer?

  • Yes

    Votes: 20 42.6%
  • No

    Votes: 27 57.4%

  • Total voters
    47

Akromaniac27

Ready to lose your head?
The 7-3's are rather drastic...

Even some 6-4's. That's suggesting you really shouldn't ever lose unless against Aquaman or Zod, both of which suck so much ass, but not unwinnable, you just have to play a hell of a lot more patient than normal.

As for her neutral and pressure game, what a lot of people still don't seem to get is its all theory and little knowledge of her hitbox and normals. Just because she's +2 - +4 on block, does not guarantee ANYTHING after. Its all done on reads, or a guess. Your opponent can backdash, armor through, or even beat out your follow up, depending on what it is. There's also the option of parries. That, and while she does have ONE invincible wakeup, on block, EVERY character can punish each and every one of them, so half the time, its not even worth their guess to do a mix up
 

Zoidberg747

My blades will find your heart
The 7-3's are rather drastic...

Even some 6-4's. That's suggesting you really shouldn't ever lose unless against Aquaman or Zod, both of which suck so much ass, but not unwinnable, you just have to play a hell of a lot more patient than normal.

As for her neutral and pressure game, what a lot of people still don't seem to get is its all theory and little knowledge of her hitbox and normals. Just because she's +2 - +4 on block, does not guarantee ANYTHING after. Its all done on reads, or a guess. Your opponent can backdash, armor through, or even beat out your follow up, depending on what it is. There's also the option of parries. That, and while she does have ONE invincible wakeup, on block, EVERY character can punish each and every one of them, so half the time, its not even worth their guess to do a mix up
a 6-4 nor 7-3 is unwinnable, so they are not drastic at all. Just because a match is in your favor doesnt mean its a free win. 7-3s are uphill battles for sure but still not unwinnable.

As for your second paragraph, you just explained basic FG pressure. There is nothing in this game guaranteed after a blocked move for the reasons you just described(except maybe WWs SS d1 or NW SS d1). Just because your opponent can counter your pressure doesnt mean that she doesnt have options, you just have to be smart when you use them. If nothing else, you can walk back and establish a footsie game.
 

Akromaniac27

Ready to lose your head?
a 6-4 nor 7-3 is unwinnable, so they are not drastic at all. Just because a match is in your favor doesnt mean its a free win. 7-3s are uphill battles for sure but still not unwinnable.

As for your second paragraph, you just explained basic FG pressure. There is nothing in this game guaranteed after a blocked move for the reasons you just described(except maybe WWs SS d1 or NW SS d1). Just because your opponent can counter your pressure doesnt mean that she doesnt have options, you just have to be smart when you use them. If nothing else, you can walk back and establish a footsie game.
I'm saying drastic due to the explanations given after. Its really all assumptions and theory that is biased, and while it may or may not favor WW more, at the end of the day, its still a scenario created from a read, and its noted multiple times. You can easily throw the argument the other way in having the opponent make the proper reads as well to blow her up.

For the pressure, that's true, but with her, unlike other characters that are plus enough to pretty much jail you like MMH for example, her follow up options have to be the right ones or she has to chase you down again. In no way am I saying she can't win anything, but to throw around "well she can just, etc. etc." explanations left and right would suggest she doesn't have to think much, even though there are multiple ways to go around her options
 

The Highlander

There can be only one
No it's not gonna be good. I have no reason to argue with someone with no results y'know? I'll have a discussion about MUs, in a friendly manner, but not when someone lies about scores with me.

The only NW that did well against me was sajam and murk, but they hella struggle with WoWo even on alley. It's just that hard.
Surely the fact that the two best nightwings do well against you tells you that it is not as lopsided as 7-3 or do you mean doing well as winning like a third of your games? What would you say the best option against staff wing is, cause I tend to get stuck blocking standing 1's and pounds too often and then struggle to open them up at that range.
 

Filipino Man

Retirement my ass
Surely the fact that the two best nightwings do well against you tells you that it is not as lopsided as 7-3 or do you mean doing well as winning like a third of your games? What would you say the best option against staff wing is, cause I tend to get stuck blocking standing 1's and pounds too often and then struggle to open them up at that range.
Block until out of range and then instant airdash in. You can also trait cancel shield bash in safely against him and mash shield parry that has it's own hitbox and mash your own d1.
 

Relaxedstate

PTH|RM Relaxedstate
Premium Supporter
Actually I'm mostly unfamiliar with that match. The matches I'm not 100% on are zod, cyborg and lobo probably, but from the times I've played them those are the numbers I see and I can't see WoWo getting on iazb
I think Cyborg could be even, but most likely 6-4 WW. I used to play a lot with foxy back in the day. His zoning can be a problem for her even with parry, also grapple gives him great mobility.

Zod def still needs to be explored more. I think the hard part for WW is finding a way to reduce the amount of trait summons

Overall, a really good MU chart. I wish we got to play at EVO!
 

Youphemism

Gunslinger since pre patch (sh/out to The Farmer)
I think Cyborg could be even, but most likely 6-4 WW. I used to play a lot with foxy back in the day. His zoning can be a problem for her even with parry, also grapple gives him great mobility.

Zod def still needs to be explored more. I think the hard part for WW is finding a way to reduce the amount of trait summons

Overall, a really good MU chart. I wish we got to play at EVO!
They're both bloody tedious though -_- ZONING IS ANNOYING FOR US DAMN IT!