MK9 Tier List, September 2012

[Prinz]

Any character that has no safe way to get in loses bad in the Kenshi match-up.

 

[Enenra]

2-8 or 1-9 really doesn't matter, come on guys. It's still one of those MUs where you're paddling up shit creek, except you have no paddle.

 

[AK L0rdoftheFLY]

Kabal vs Sonya is def 6-4 kabal. Kabal player has to be on point on the match up and his zoning has to be smart and on point. Cus if its not. Someone like Showtime will body you 3-0.

I was talking about Kabal vs skarlet.

 

[GrandMasterson]

Stryker/Noob is 6-4 Noob.

-All of Noob's shadows beat roll toss
-EX roll toss might beat one shadow, but now Stryker has thrown Noob back exactly where he wants to be +wake up advantage.
-Stryker has to take big risks with zoning because of

oh who cares this match will never be relevant ever and Stryker is still bottom 5 forever

 

[AK L0rdoftheFLY]

if were talking about punishable specials i mean cmon... raiden is the king of them. and nightwolf definitly has answers. 122hachet for raidens tele, reflect for for raidens projectile, the only thing that raiden has in this match up is the ability to build meter full screen which can be punished with ex lightning for 16% (risky but you should respect it). b3 with raiden yes. but nightwolf is also a fantastic whif punisher. b2 comes to mind. and b1 also. its pretty much a really fun footsie game played at high level

no...just no.

I used to to say this but I saw the light. all of NW tools are totally shut off. no lightning, no footsies with axe or wake up axe (b3 wiff punish), not arrows, no shoulders...NW Can't attack first at all. If Raiden gets the life lead NW cant win.

I played PL's Raiden at MLG. it is in no possible way 5-5

 

[LaR]

ive already ready said it in one thread today so but......stryker over baraka?? thats fucked up man lol

Yea baraka is clearly better than stryker. The stryker community just overates the shit out of this character look at there match up chart it's hilarious they have cyrax as only 6-4 lol. 100% combos are only slightly better than standing 4 apparently.

 

[THTB]

its really really not

if you're getting 3-7'ed by kenshi then its you not the character. Sonya has way more options to get in, does more damage, and has better pressure options then almost every other 3-7

in reality, once you know the MU, its Borderline 5-5

You don't have to lose all the time to a certain character to have a matchup be 3-7.

16 Bit beats other Kenshis not Pig. Doesn't mean Kenshi goes 5-5 with her. Kusomundo is the best ST Honda in the world and wins some pretty hard matchups. But he knows they're hard regardless.

 

[1man3letters]

Yea baraka is clearly better than stryker. The stryker community just overates the shit out of this character look at there match up chart it's hilarious they have cyrax as only 6-4 lol. 100% combos are only slightly better than standing 4 apparently.

i over rate baraka at times i guess and its not like i use strkyer alot but that his normals on par with kano and sub par zoning and anti zoning tools i find it very hard to see how he could have numbers better than baraka and thats even with me saying that some of the numbers on barakas chart are giving him more credit that being truthfull.

id put sheeva and kano over strkyer through alot of games lifespan,just a opinion though so please no one jump drop my throat for it please

 

[LaR]

i over rate baraka at times i guess and its not like i use strkyer alot but that his normals on par with kano and sub par zoning and anti zoning tools i find it very hard to see how he could have numbers better than baraka and thats even with me saying that some of the numbers on barakas chart are giving him more credit that being truthfull.

id put sheeva and kano over strkyer through alot of games lifespan,just a opinion though so please no one jump drop my throat for it please

kano is obviously better than stryker the only thing stryker has over kano is a good anti zoning tool and a better uppercut

 

[Simon Wayne]

I disagree with a few of the Raiden numbers, here are my proposed changes:

Kitana: 5-5
Cyrax: 5-5
Jax: 5-5
Noob: 7-3
Nightwolf: 6-4

These are all solid changes.

I also think Cage/Noob should be 6-4 Noob.

 

[1man3letters]

kano is obviously better than stryker the only thing stryker has over kano is a good anti zoning tool and a better uppercut

yea strykers d2 really good but sure kano has upball for 1% less.
ex upball not half bad for anti zoning with its odd tracking. didnt ya read the kano guide man?

 

[GrandMasterson]

Yea baraka is clearly better than stryker. The stryker community just overates the shit out of this character look at there match up chart it's hilarious they have cyrax as only 6-4 lol. 100% combos are only slightly better than standing 4 apparently.

It's true. I used to think Stryker was at least mid-tier, but recently I've come to accept just how truly terrible he is.

Personally, I think Stryker is the worst character in the game. Us proud and loyal Stryker mains just don't want to admit it yet.

 

[ZigZagGamer]

Reptile 5-5 with Skarlet?
Not from what i've seen. 6-4 imo.

 

[Espio]

The community is funny...you guys love to call people out for "downplaying" a character, yet when people don't downplay them you still aren't happy, it's absurd.





Please change Stryker's match up chart around to make him lower than Kano, Sheeva, and anybody else he's above please.



The Stryker community didn't do anything, don't blame them, blame me. I made my match up chart from actual offline and online experience with many, many players and character specialists. I know my opinion was never relevant, but I at least tried to make an informed match up chart.

People also forget that this current official community tier list is a version a little bit before the crash, Stryker was about 5-7 points lower.

 

[BillStickers]

People also forget that this current official community tier list is a version a little bit before the crash, Stryker was about 5-7 points lower.

That wasn't an accident. I'm not really calling this a "Community" tier list anymore because the community will never agree on anything. If the community chooses to accept this tier list, then I'm all for it, but there are too many people with no idea what they're talking about for me to listen to *everyone's* offhand comments.

 

[M2Dave]

DetroitBalln, REO, and I have been working on a pictorial tier list. I also asked others (i.e., the Dominican brothers, Perfect Legend, Pig, etc.) for feedback when I was in Raleigh. This list has no bias and excludes the following factors.

- Ignorant fools who insist on Smoke vs. Freddy being 6:4

- Kitana players' constant whining

- Reptile players' underestimation of Reptile

- Skarlet players' delusions about Skarlet being top 3

- Sonya players' underestimation of Sonya

 

[BillStickers]

I think i can do better.

Cool. Let me know when it's out.

 

[ZigZagGamer]

DetroitBalln, REO, and I have been working on a pictorial tier list. I also asked others (i.e., the Dominican brothers, Perfect Legend, Pig, etc.)

- Reptile players' underestimation of Reptile

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To be honest i think Reptile is underestimated in the hands of a decent player, for the average reptile player he's nothing special but you give him to someone like Tyler and he can do wonders, i remember seeing Tyler break through Pigs Kenshi and beat him which was something i never thought possible of reptile.

So really reptile is a very good character but only to us who practice with him like crazy.

 

[M2Dave]

Cool. Let me know when it's out.

Yes, I can do better and I will.

Here is what you do. You have (insert accomplished high level player here) tell you about a certain match up. (Insert random fool here who has never attended an off-line tournament) tells you otherwise. You then claim that people disagree.

You also have to keep an eye on the Skarlet match up numbers. The Skarlet forum on this web site is undoubtedly the most dishonest and delusional forum on TYM. These players lie and make stuff up.

 

[BillStickers]

I'm upset about how you used to handle the tier list, so I'm going to make irrelevant comments about my superior approach.

No, you'll do what REO, THTB, and Death have all done. You'll get bored and forget about it. It will never be released. I dare you to prove me wrong.

 

[ragnar0kz28]

I like this chart if sonya beats kitana 6/4 i wouldnt mind this match is hard for me, Kabal does beat Sektor 6/4, rest, this looks legit, atleast "realistic" good work.

 

[ZigZagGamer]

I personally think the List Is solid, give or take a couple but those are peoples opinions so if we all have to meet in the middle ground yeah this looks pretty spot on.

 

[Espio]

Yea baraka is clearly better than stryker. The stryker community just overates the shit out of this character look at there match up chart it's hilarious they have cyrax as only 6-4 lol. 100% combos are only slightly better than standing 4 apparently.

By this logic, everyone should lose worse than 6-4 to Cyrax other than Smoke, Kabal, and Jax, that's what's really hilarious if you objectively look at it. Cyrax outdamages almost everyone on the cast..just saying.

 

[LaR]

By this logic, everyone should lose worse than 6-4 to Cyrax other than Smoke, Kabal, and Jax, that's what's really hilarious if you objectively look at it. Cyrax outdamages almost everyone on the cast..just saying.

What the fuck is stryker going to do against cyrax to make this match up less than 8-2 and its not just about damage by the way. If your going to play solid and not rely on any gimmicks all stryker can do up close is standing 4 or throw that's his best mix up lol. his b3,2 to is way to slow can be easily interupted and is minus on block.

 

[Espio]

What the fuck is stryker going to do against cyrax to make this match up less than 8-2 and its not just about damage by the way. If your going to play solid and not rely on any gimmicks all stryker can do up close is standing 4 or throw that's his best mix up lol. his b3,2 to is way to slow can be easily interupted and is minus on block.

You know more about him than me, 8-2 Cyrax. It's not like Stryker has 40% mid screen damage, armor, a good projectile in gun shot or anything to work with at all in this match up, just standing 4 and throw, yes sir.

It's -3 on block, please stop talking like it's -15 or something that Cyrax can get a full combo off of everytime its blocked. Most characters are at slightly negative on block after their strings...what is your point?



Everyone has interruptible strings, including Cyrax,Raiden, Kabal and Kenshi to name a few examples, you're not saying anything shocking or match up changing.


The funny thing is I don't care if Stryker is the "worst character" in the game or not....I have no interest in any of it, Stryker's match up chart is getting adjustments in the proper areas soon(not Cyrax).


I've moved on from this game anyway, if you're not playing a select few characters you're in trouble most of the time anyway so whether Stryker is bottom 5, bottom 10, mid tier or whatever does not matter all that much.