MK11 Not Returning as Evo 2020 Mainstage game

Evo's main lineup has been announced, and MK11 is missing. What are your overall thoughts on this?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1224896898827309056

 

Maybe NRS will make a fun game next time.

 

Predictably, the anti-Mortal Kombat 11 crowd has come out to salivate and blame the meta.

Mr. Wizard is a businessman who knows that a Mortal Kombat game is difficult to promote because of the extreme gore.

There are also rumors that fighting game companies pay money for their game to be included. I can definitely see how the board of directors would see no profit initiatives by paying Mr. Wizard, especially when 11+ million copies have been sold. They likely view EVO as insignificant.

expected

it was pretty dull last year and had poor numbers for its slot

"Poor numbers"?

"Smash Ultimate - 3492
Street Fighter V - 1929
Tekken 7 - 1885
Samurai Shodown - 1719
Mortal Kombat 11 - 1567
Unist - 1156
DragonBall FighterZ - 1191
Soul Calibur 6 - 742
BlazBlue:CTB - 640"

I am aware that many individuals cannot wait to push their agendas in this thread. However, let us stick to the facts instead of our feelings about the game.

If enough people in the community complain, there could be a voting process and the game could be included.

Mortal Kombat 11 is not the best fighting game that I have played, but I had rather have an MK game than no MK game at EVO.

 

NRS can still turn it around. We'll need a Hail Mary of an update for it to happen though. Make this series fucking nuts again. Turn this shit into MK9 2

 

Predictably, the anti-Mortal Kombat 11 crowd has come out to salivate and blame the meta.

Mr. Wizard is a businessman who knows that a Mortal Kombat game is difficult to promote because of the extreme gore.

There are also rumors that fighting game companies pay money for their game to be included. I can definitely see how the board of directors would see no profit initiatives by paying Mr. Wizard, especially when 11+ million copies have been sold. They likely view EVO as insignificant.



"Poor numbers"?

"Smash Ultimate - 3492
Street Fighter V - 1929
Tekken 7 - 1885
Samurai Shodown - 1719
Mortal Kombat 11 - 1567
Unist - 1156
DragonBall FighterZ - 1191
Soul Calibur 6 - 742
BlazBlue:CTB - 640"

I am aware that many individuals cannot wait to push their agendas in this thread. However, let us stick to the facts instead of our feelings about the game.

If enough people in the community complain, there could be a voting process and the game could be included.

Mortal Kombat 11 is not the best fighting game that I have played, but I had rather have an MK game than no MK game at EVO.

This should be our chance to rally and support our game. We can run a big side event at EVO similar to what Skullgirls did many years ago. People need to realize making it to the main stage of EVO isn't the end all be all, you can still have a strong community. Let's stand and fight. Like someone suggested, let's make Combobreaker and CEO our EVO. They're better ran anyway. LOL!

 

Imo when your own community is attacking the game, it makes it easier for others to write it off as well.

If we can’t get it together to demand that it be there, no one else is going to feel compelled to fight for us.

At some point we need to realize that there are more important things as a community than just what game we’re playing at the moment. The momentum we build (or destroy) has lasting effects.

 

Predictably, the anti-Mortal Kombat 11 crowd has come out to salivate and blame the meta.

Mr. Wizard is a businessman who knows that a Mortal Kombat game is difficult to promote because of the extreme gore.

There are also rumors that fighting game companies pay money for their game to be included. I can definitely see how the board of directors would see no profit initiatives by paying Mr. Wizard, especially when 11+ million copies have been sold. They likely view EVO as insignificant.



"Poor numbers"?

"Smash Ultimate - 3492
Street Fighter V - 1929
Tekken 7 - 1885
Samurai Shodown - 1719
Mortal Kombat 11 - 1567
Unist - 1156
DragonBall FighterZ - 1191
Soul Calibur 6 - 742
BlazBlue:CTB - 640"

I am aware that many individuals cannot wait to push their agendas in this thread. However, let us stick to the facts instead of our feelings about the game.

If enough people in the community complain, there could be a voting process and the game could be included.

Mortal Kombat 11 is not the best fighting game that I have played, but I had rather have an MK game than no MK game at EVO.

Literally it's the best numbers for a MK game but that's not saying much as it isn't breaking 2,000 and comparing the fact that Tekken 7 has been out since 2015 (2017 for consoles) and got 1,885, those numbers are horrible. Hell, Street Fighter V got close to 2,000 and it's been out since 2016 and you're going to tell me that their (MK11) numbers are going to hold a candle to the aforementioned games?

Sticking to the facts notwithstanding anyone emotional responses, MK11 still struggles to beat a close to 4-year-old game in Street Fighter V in EVO and barely close enough to even stay close to Samurai Shodown thus one can easily conclude that MK11, with all of its stringent promotional ventures, still could not muster enough participation even if it tried to without the promise of DLCs and other means (i.e. patches).

I remember people were walking away at that point in the game's lifespan because it had gone for several months without a huge patch and people were fed up with what they saw in the finals of it's first EVO.

 

Literally it's the best numbers for a MK game but that's not saying much as it isn't breaking 2,000 and comparing the fact that Tekken 7 has been out since 2015 (2017 for consoles) and got 1,885, those numbers are horrible. Hell, Street Fighter V got close to 2,000 and it's been out since 2016 and you're going to tell me that their (MK11) numbers are going to hold a candle to the aforementioned games?

Sticking to the facts notwithstanding anyone emotional responses, MK11 still struggles to beat a close to 4-year-old game in Street Fighter V in EVO and barely close enough to even stay close to Samurai Shodown thus one can easily conclude that MK11, with all of its stringent promotional ventures, still could not muster enough participation even if it tried to without the promise of DLCs and other means (i.e. patches).

I remember people were walking away at that point in the game's lifespan because it had gone for several months without a huge patch and people were fed up with what they saw in the finals of it's first EVO.

Nothing other than Smash will consistently beat SFV entrants. By this logic, they should only have 2 games at EVO.

 

Imo when your own community is attacking the game, it makes it easier for others to write it off as well.

If we can’t get it together to demand that it be there, no one else is going to feel compelled to fight for us.

At some point we need to realize that there are more important things as a community than just what game we’re playing at the moment. The momentum we build (or destroy) has lasting effects.

I feel like it's partially NRS' fault for our community being the way it is. They design their entries to be so wildly different from one another that we can't hope to retain the same players every iteration. Everybody is a fan of a different style of Mortal Kombat, nobody can agree on what they actually want. So all we do is fight all day. Tekken players might argue about whether or not Rage is a good system, but you have entire threads here talking about how the entire core of MK11 is rotten and should be thrown out.

MK11 isn't even a fucking year old yet and we can't break 100 entrants for a $10,000 tournament. There's an issue with the game lol. People are not having fun with it.

 

Predictably, the anti-Mortal Kombat 11 crowd has come out to salivate and blame the meta.

Mr. Wizard is a businessman who knows that a Mortal Kombat game is difficult to promote because of the extreme gore.

There are also rumors that fighting game companies pay money for their game to be included. I can definitely see how the board of directors would see no profit initiatives by paying Mr. Wizard, especially when 11+ million copies have been sold. They likely view EVO as insignificant.



"Poor numbers"?

"Smash Ultimate - 3492
Street Fighter V - 1929
Tekken 7 - 1885
Samurai Shodown - 1719
Mortal Kombat 11 - 1567
Unist - 1156
DragonBall FighterZ - 1191
Soul Calibur 6 - 742
BlazBlue:CTB - 640"

I am aware that many individuals cannot wait to push their agendas in this thread. However, let us stick to the facts instead of our feelings about the game.

If enough people in the community complain, there could be a voting process and the game could be included.

Mortal Kombat 11 is not the best fighting game that I have played, but I had rather have an MK game than no MK game at EVO.

Oh, my bad

I forgot a word.

I meant to say poor view numbers for its slot.

I watched pretty much all of MK11, SC6, Smash, Tekken and it had awful numbers the whole way. Then low numbers for the main game on Saturday where DBF which was earlier nearly doubled it.

 

Imo when your own community is attacking the game, it makes it easier for others to write it off as well.

If we can’t get it together to demand that it be there, no one else is going to feel compelled to fight for us.

At some point we need to realize that there are more important things as a community than just what game we’re playing at the moment. The momentum we build (or destroy) has lasting effects.

Lol what? You want us to rally with you guys after you've demonized, ostracized, and assaulted everyone that didn't stand for what you believed in for this game and called them deplorable insults and had the nerve to call us "casuals" effectively silencing us and our opinions just so you can get your precious video game at an EVO? I don't know whether I should laugh at this and you or if I should cry tears of salt for all the months I've seen people get attacked for having a difference in opinion regarding this game.

It's mighty fine of you to ask half of your alienated community (mind you the same community who's been calling it as they see it and how this game wouldn't survive till its second EVO and lo and behold, the proofs in the pudding) to come and find a way to support the game with some sort of deranged Kumbaya. It is both funny and ludicrous that you would even ask us to do that.

 

Not the news I wanted to wake up to.

 

Oh, my bad

I forgot a word.

I meant to say poor view numbers for its slot.

I watched pretty much all of MK11, SC6, Smash, Tekken and it had awful numbers the whole way. Then low numbers for the main game on Saturday where DBF which was earlier nearly doubled it.

I watched MK11 throughout the entire time it was on the streams at EVO 2019 -- from the preliminaries to the final round and the numbers barely reached 20,000; the highest number I can recall for some of the stream was 11.3k and that number fluctuated on a downward slope. The game was losing steam as early as the top 128 entrants...

 

holy shit there's some garbage takes in this thread.

1. the current meta has nothing to do with this. none of the decision makers at evo decided to cut mk because they don't like the counter poking meta or throws. the largest fighting game tournament isn't making decisions based on their personal preference. not to mention if the game was really so boring then it would have showed with entree numbers and stream views for pro tour events but that just hasn't happened. the game has been doing really well competitively.

2. a chunk of the community being annoyed on tym and twitter doesn't play a role at all. I promise you that no one in charge of picking games at evo is up to date in nrs twitter drama.

this is not a reflection on the community or the game. this is just evo having to pick 8 game and us being the odd man out. trying to spin this into a narrative against the community is nonsense and does nothing but hurt us.

 

Literally it's the best numbers for a MK game but that's not saying much as it isn't breaking 2,000 and comparing the fact that Tekken 7 has been out since 2015 (2017 for consoles) and got 1,885, those numbers are horrible. Hell, Street Fighter V got close to 2,000 and it's been out since 2016 and you're going to tell me that their (MK11) numbers are going to hold a candle to the aforementioned games?

Sticking to the facts notwithstanding anyone emotional responses, MK11 still struggles to beat a close to 4-year-old game in Street Fighter V in EVO and barely close enough to even stay close to Samurai Shodown thus one can easily conclude that MK11, with all of its stringent promotional ventures, still could not muster enough participation even if it tried to without the promise of DLCs and other means (i.e. patches).

I remember people were walking away at that point in the game's lifespan because it had gone for several months without a huge patch and people were fed up with what they saw in the finals of it's first EVO.

How is it living life just saying shit with zero basis in reality

 

Nothing other than Smash will consistently beat SFV entrants. By this logic, they should only have 2 games at EVO.

Which is telling since until they removed it from the mainstage, Super Smash Bros Melee was breaking many records for a 11+-year-old game and was getting the majority of viewers other than SFV. And even if we stick with this "logic", you would want EVO to be represented by the MOST popular and the MOST visible game for the tournament. Whatever gives EVO the most sponsors and ad revenue and most importantly VIEWERS, should get mainstage and get the best slots. We saw how bad MK11 last year got the brunt end of the stick despite just coming out that same year.

 

This should be our chance to rally and support our game. We can run a big side event at EVO similar to what Skullgirls did many years ago. People need to realize making it to the main stage of EVO is the end all be all, you can still have a strong community. Let's stand and fight. Like someone suggested, let's make Combobreaker and COE our EVO. They're better ran anyway. LOL!

This neither here nor there, Being dismissive of the issues while blindly supporting the game is exactly why we are where we are now. Nobody is even asking the right questions, ppl would rather put on their tinfoil hats and discuss conspiracy than have any serious open minded discussion about the state of the game. "oh it's money, oh it's politics, oh Evo just hates us" that's what they rather say right now while the game is on life support.

Am sorry, but ignoring the fact that our less than a year released game just got declared irrelevant by the biggest fgc platform out there is not the answer. No amount of rallying behind combobreaker is gonna undo that damage.

 

They design their entries to be so wildly different from one another that we can't hope to retain the same players every iteration.

Ding. Ding. Ding.

You have adequately summarized the Achilles heel of the NRS development style. Thankfully the Injustice series has much more cohesion than the MK franchise.

 

How is it living life just saying shit with zero basis in reality

"Zero basis..."

Dude the numbers are literally right there in the quoted post. Those are the numbers and figures I am using to talk about throughout that entire comment so please wipe the crust from the corner of your eyes and focus.

 

holy shit there's some garbage takes in this thread.

1. the current meta has nothing to do with this. none of the decision makers at evo decided to cut mk because they don't like the counter poking meta or throws. the largest fighting game tournament isn't making decisions based on their personal preference. not to mention if the game was really so boring then it would have showed with entree numbers and stream views for pro tour events but that just hasn't happened. the game has been doing really well competitively.

The Meta is what's causing the backlash against the game. Nobody in the FGC is blind to how negative the community has been towards MK11. And the community is negative towards it because of it's Meta. MK11 is hard to monetize, and its community has no passion for it. Why would they have it a second year? If we don't give a fuck about the game, we can't expect anyone else to do it for us.

 

This neither here nor there, Being dismissive of the issues while blindly supporting the game is exactly why we are where we are now. Nobody is even asking the right questions, ppl would rather put on their tinfoil hats and discuss conspiracy than have any serious open minded discussion about the state of the game. "oh it's money, oh it's politics, oh Evo just hates us" that's what they rather say right now while the game is on life support.

Am sorry, but ignoring the fact that our less than a year released game just got declared irrelevant by the biggest fgc platform out there is not the answer. No amount of rallying behind combobreaker is gonna undo that damage.

You’re kidding, right.

Injustice 1 was far more broken at both EVOs than either MKX or MK11 and was there two years.

You cannot blame the game. But when a community becomes obsessed with tearing everything down instead of building things up, it will have ripple effects.

 

If this game is so trash and boring and that's the reason why it's not included at EVO, then I wonder why is it still the most played NRS game at this time of it's cycle..

 

This neither here nor there, Being dismissive of the issues while blindly supporting the game is exactly why we are where we are now. Nobody is even asking the right questions, ppl would rather put on their tinfoil hats and discuss conspiracy than have any serious open minded discussion about the state of the game. "oh it's money, oh it's politics, oh Evo just hates us" that's what they rather say right now while the game is on life support.

Am sorry, but ignoring the fact that our less than a year released game just got declared irrelevant by the biggest fgc platform out there is not the answer. No amount of rallying behind combobreaker is gonna undo that damage.

Is Melee irrelevant after being drop by EVO? No. Is Skullgirls irrelevant? No. There are number of games that have enver been to EVO and still have people palying them. This isn't a tinfoil hat this is telling you, if you like this game you get out there and play it. We shouldn't sit around and hope for something to come our way. EVO has made it clear it's about money and that's fine. They have dropped games that did well on the stream and attendance wise before. It has nothing to do with MK11's quality as a game, but what makes them the most money. What they did was business. Many fighters have survive without the EVO platform which is being tainted PC Esports culture. Why do you think DOA isn't there?

There is no damage and rallying has worked in the past. Ask UNIST community how that has worked out for them. They rally and kept rallying for years behidn their game to get it in the spotlight. The game is no lfie support because it didn't make EVO my man. What if I were to tell you MK9 still draws decent numbers as a main/side game at some events. Just because something is at EVO doesn't mean that game is going to be alive come next year or the year after. Games are kept alive because their communities care. Losing EVO sucks, but not the end of the world. People have been telling people to skip EVO for other events due the number of issues with EVO. You wanna know what won best fighting game trounament of the year? It wasn't EVO. It was Combobreaker. That should tell you something.

 

Lmao

 

You’re kidding, right.

Injustice 1 was far more broken at both EVOs than either MKX or MK11 and was there two years.

You cannot blame the game. But when a community becomes obsessed with tearing everything down instead of building things up, it will have ripple effects.

What are you even talking about? Broken has nothing to do with it. Did you not see that they brought back MvC2? What matters is how fun the game is. Everyone says MK11 is the most balanced NRS game, but nobody is saying that it's the most fun they've had with an NRS game. I'm not even talking about on some casual shit either. Cats just don't want to play this shit. Can't even get motherfuckers to play for money.

Like I'm not even trying to be a hater. I love Mortal Kombat more than anybody, free. But I'm not about to just pretend like this is the dream game I've waited my whole life for. This shit is wack. Joker is the most fun I've had with this game, and it's because he's fucking stupid. He's fun.

 

What's worse is that complete garbage like Soul Caliber and Samurai Showdown made it.