Johnny Based Cage
The Shangest of Tsungs
Stfu, this community goes bust before there’s even a sequel.
Stfu, this community goes bust before there’s even a sequel.
This community is never bust. The Marvel community has no representation in tournament right now, and none for the forseable future. You can't compare that to people taking a couple months off from competiting before going full in when the next game comes out.
They can definitely work something out, being able to select moves right on the char select screen would be the most efficient way of doing it.
That’s because they don’t have a game now, bud. Capcom putting out a trash sequel after that long and then giving up on it entirely is no fault of the community’s, you shill.
They do have a game -- they just don't like it. And Capcom gave up on their previous game too -- notoriously so -- so that's not really a good excuse.
MK11 variations have a lot of tools for balance. The way they are configured, it will be very obvious via NRS' analytics if a particular ability is causing problems, a combination of abilities is causing problems, whatever. Then they can target either specific properties of a ability or have that ability exclude another that is causing issues. I feel like the balance concerns are really not going to be as big of a problem as some might think. In fact more access to variation abilities should help some characters who are under-performing.
If you think they wouldn't still be playing MvC3 had that whole MvCi debacle not occurred I don't know what to tell you. And it's besides the point anyway, MvC3 was as popular as a game gets and lasted years and years, as did MvC2 before it, so your whole argument is baseless. Especially when you claim they were only as popular as they were because they're Capcom games in one breath while acknowledging how MvCi didn't last at all despite being a Capcom game of the same series in the next breath.
People have. It was one of my arguments in favor of Kustom variations pre-release. But it was in response to the time concerns, saying Kustoms would take too long for tournaments. I didn’t make the argument in relation to balance because most people against Kustoms reasoning was time constraints.
Here we go with the weak ass BALANCE argument again....
Scorpion has 2 good variations as well
I meant in this thread
I think this is actually a positive -- almost like a CCG or a strategy game, adds another meta layer to the choice being made. There are already characters who counter other characters. Different loadouts for different types of matchups in the same way. If there appears to be oppressive abilities against certain characters it will manifest very quickly and be addressed.
1. The beta had 5 characters so it could only be so unbalanced but we saw ridiculous loadouts from Kabal and Scorpion do a ton of work with Misery Blade. Parse that out over the whole game and no man, the balance will be dramatically different. The argument doesn't need to be made, it's obvious that this creates balance concerns compared to the tournament variations. It was the whole point of tourney variations in the first place.
I can't say it would be bad without actually playing it but I like to feel like I have one character and not have to switch loadouts or supers to adjust for matchups, I'd rather just try to make what they give us work. I really like Frost-Byte Frost's Cryo Crown, and in Kustom variations I might constantly switch the third move slot with a move that benefits my matchup instead of just dealing with it. That said, with kustom variations, the mind set may become less, "I have to switch characters to another variation" and more, "I'm going to slightly adjust my main's loadout" which could be cool.
I'm starting to think balance is a pipe dream anyway. I'm ok with low and high tiers. And I don't want to sacrifice creativity for the mythos of balance.
First off, Scorpion and Kabal are already ridiculous characters as it is. But i did not consider them being super OP due to the Custom variation because theres always an answer with complete creativity on making ANY character fit your archetype. If your problem is counterpicking another loadout, thats a minor price to pay for everybody being GREAT w/ Custom Variations. I appreciate you being real, but i keeps it ALL THE WAY LIVE and imma tell you, there's ways to making this work. Instead of finding problems, find solutions to this greater cause because this game NEEDS Custom Variations BADLY!
I think the best you can hope for is something along the lines of Tekken 7 or SFV:AE, where the characters are divided into tiers, but the gaps between the tiers are much closer than other games. Both of those games have their top tiers, but there’s a wide variety of characters in tournaments compared to some older games, like the aforementioned UMVC3 or 3S.
It's not a pipe dream, but it depends on your goals. Generally video game players at large seem to think that "balance" is where everything fits into a very narrow band of power (or basically "equal" as players like to demand). This isn't always realistic or possible depending on the design/genre. There's enough intrinsic asymmetry in fighting games, and MK in particular, that it's not possible to achieve without severely homogenizing character design. That's why tier lists are a popular tool for understanding fighting games in the community.
Tekken 7 is more accurate. SFV is a horrible comparison lol
I’ve got a lot of experience with SFV. Despite a few outliers, the game is very well balanced in its current iteration. I’ve found that most characters can find answers to most situations if labbed, and a lot of moves that seem overpowered have built in weaknesses. The issue is often that you need to look at the notes in frame data apps to find these weaknesses, you’re not likely to stumble across the answers mid match.
Ironic considering you constantly bitch about NRS players dropping the old title for the new one when Umvc3 is still being run in tournaments over MVCI like 7 years later. I dislike the everyone's broke philosophy, but UMVC3 proves that people will still play those types of games for a very long time. If you go to any tournament that doesn't have UMVC3 as a main game there is a side tournament for it. Can't say the same about Injustice 2, which was supposedly the most balanced NRS game yet.
I think you've confused me with someone else. Can you quote where I bitch about dropping our game for a new title? I'm the one who always said it was a natural part of the release cycle of NRS games.
