General/Other - Kung Lao Kung Lao General Discussion

[Snoriega]

Sick. Question, so 4 is a 14 frame move? what are other good punish options? like wouldn't u just want to use 11212 or f2 for a quicker punish? they are faster right? or is this just to optimize the damage and thus can only punish at 14 frames at the quickest?

Kung Lao Tempest new 50% combo 14 frame punish

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[I GOT HANDS]

You get less damage off any non-4 opener. And it's still fast enough to punish really unsafe things. The same follow up works off any punish be it F2 or B3 or 11 or whatever, so I think the idea is to show that it's the highest possible damage one so probably the most idea for 1 bar.

 

[just_2swift]

Sick. Question, so 4 is a 14 frame move? what are other good punish options? like wouldn't u just want to use 11212 or f2 for a quicker punish? they are faster right? or is this just to optimize the damage and thus can only punish at 14 frames at the quickest?

Yes f2 and the 11 series is faster but they will only net you 46 or 47% I think I'll have to check. This is for your heavy punish in the corner of you're want to crack them up side the head for 50% for doing unsafe wake ups and such.

 

[Eddy Wang]

Can Lao start a combo from a raw dive kick against standing or crouching opponents?

If he does, please list it, even if is as small as it seems, aparently it helps to set up his gameplay better for positioning, threats and so on.

 

[Invincible Salads]

Yes f2 and the 11 series is faster but they will only net you 46 or 47% I think I'll have to check. This is for your heavy punish in the corner of you're want to crack them up side the head for 50% for doing unsafe wake ups and such.

you can get 50% in the corner with 44?

 

[just_2swift]

you can get 50% in the corner with 44?

Standing 4

 

[just_2swift]

Can Lao start a combo from a raw dive kick against standing or crouching opponents?

If he does, please list it, even if is as small as it seems, aparently it helps to set up his gameplay better for positioning, threats and so on.

Ooooh good Q. I have no idea I'll check that out when I get home I think it depends on the height of the dive kick as well I think...not sure but I'll be right on it!

 

[Invincible Salads]

Standing 4

right, 4 hatspin 44 b321 spin.....i forget where it goes from there, i don't do that combo as often as i should.

 

[coolwhip]

Standing 4 into hat spin is a stance specific combo. Standing 4 as a punisher should almost never be used.

 

[coolwhip]

Can Lao start a combo from a raw dive kick against standing or crouching opponents?

If he does, please list it, even if is as small as it seems, aparently it helps to set up his gameplay better for positioning, threats and so on.

Yeah he can. Dive kick into d4~spin or dive kick into f2 spin or dive kick into standing 1 spin, then do the follow up.

 

[Invincible Salads]

Standing 4 into hat spin is a stance specific combo. Standing 4 as a punisher should almost never be used.

not in the corner its not.

 

[coolwhip]

not in the corner its not.

Indeed, this is accurate. That said, standing 4 as a punisher or a combo starter should almost never be used.

 

[Invincible Salads]

Indeed, this is accurate. That said, standing 4 as a punisher or a combo starter should almost never be used.

also wasnt foxy using it a lot at evo?

 

[just_2swift]

Can Lao start a combo from a raw dive kick against standing or crouching opponents?

If he does, please list it, even if is as small as it seems, aparently it helps to set up his gameplay better for positioning, threats and so on.

Raw Dk 1, b3 2 xx spin jk-dk is what I use

 

[I GOT HANDS]

Ooooh good Q. I have no idea I'll check that out when I get home I think it depends on the height of the dive kick as well I think...not sure but I'll be right on it!

DIVEKICK OPENERS​

Midscreen
Universal:

[DK, 1, B32xxSpin, B321] = 22% instead of 5% from a standard Divekick, and even works against crouching Mileena
[DK, B321xxSpin, B321] = 26% and converts if you catch them with a Divekick while they are jumping, as long as they aren't at the very beginning or end of the jump arc (in which case, the first combo works just fine)


Tempest:
[DK, 1xxHatSpin, B32xxSpin, B321] = 23%

Hat Trick:
[DK, 1, B32xxHatCallBack, 4xxSpin, B321] = 28% Hat Trap has to be spaced correctly, not impractical tho



Corner

Universal:
[DK, 1, B321xxSpin, JiK, 21] = 26%


Tempest:
[DK, 1, 4xxHatSpin, 4xxSpin, B321] = 27%

Hat Trick:
[DK, 1, 4xxHatCallBack, B32xxSpin, B321] = 28% works off a Low Hat set-up for corner tech





And just remember, every single one of those combos ending in B321 can be cancelled into your Set-Up. Hope this helps

 

[I GOT HANDS]

I wouldn't say the difference is small at all in fact its real big, I would never ever risk -38 from Divekick if the only possible pay off was it's 5% lol

 

[Invincible Salads]

i thought u couldnt cancel into hat spin twice in the same combo. so no in tempest ending in b321 won't give you a hat spin set up, your better off ending in 21 for that in that case.

 

[coolwhip]

also wasnt foxy using it a lot at evo?

More like never. When did he ever use it? He was doing f2 into hat spin, but never standing 4. He only went for a standing 4 in combos do get the 2 frame link.

 

[Invincible Salads]

oh, coulda swore i saw him use it, never mind.

 

[just_2swift]

DIVEKICK OPENERS​

Midscreen
Universal:

[DK, 1, B32xxSpin, B321] = 22% instead of 5% from a standard Divekick, and even works against crouching Mileena
[DK, B321xxSpin, B321] = 26% and converts if you catch them with a Divekick while they are jumping, as long as they aren't at the very beginning or end of the jump arc (in which case, the first combo works just fine)


Tempest:
[DK, 1xxHatSpin, B32xxSpin, B321] = 23%

Hat Trick:
[DK, 1, B32xxHatCallBack, 4xxSpin, B321] = 28% Hat Trap has to be spaced correctly, not impractical tho



Corner

Universal:
[DK, 1, B321xxSpin, JiK, 21] = 26%


Tempest:
[DK, 1, 4xxHatSpin, 4xxSpin, B321] = 27%

Hat Trick:
[DK, 1, 4xxHatCallBack, B32xxSpin, B321] = 28% works off a Low Hat set-up for corner tech





And just remember, every single one of those combos ending in B321 can be cancelled into your Set-Up. Hope this helps

 

[Invincible Salads]

what was the 50% again? i tried figuring out it out but i only got 48%.

 

[just_2swift]

what was the 50% again? i tried figuring out it out but i only got 48%.

4xx hat spin 44 4xx spin jk xx Tele 3 d4xx ex spin d2 jk-dk dk

 

[Invincible Salads]

4xx hat spin 44 4xx spin jk xx Tele 3 d4xx ex spin d2 jk-dk dk

d4 huh? never woulda thought. d2 doesnt that send them away from the corner?

 

[SaSSolino]

is Tempest going to be nerfed?

 

[I GOT HANDS]

So what do people think about standing 4 in the neutral game and 44 as an opener?

I pretty much follow up every JiP with it since it's completely safe, but how often do you guys risk standing 4 as an opener?