Kryptonite Council Episode 8: "The Patch" Arguments, "Jimmies Rustled", and Staying Positive

[Big Pampering]

I definitely like the current top tier better than the prepatch one

 

[AtrocitusDX]

Just watched the whole thing, great stuff guys. As a Superman main, these changes are perfectly acceptable. Hopefully Tom can get in on the next one.

 

[trustinme]

I said he got needlessly butchered, I didn't say I'll cry about it. Considering I used Subzero and use Joker it's safe to say I don't care about having a top tier main.

Anyone who thinks my being good in IGAU is because of BA will still get 5-0d post patch, online or offline.

who said u were good qwark?

 

[Qwark28]

who said u were good qwark?

are you calling my mom a liar

 

[trustinme]

are you calling my mom a liar

lmao! nice one dude

 

[Zyphox]

I'm sincerely hoping there's a jr vs zyphox tourney match for all hype purposes

***calls rigging agents now to get the job done



What time is the tourney? Kombat network?

8pm est saturday on kombat network.

 

[LEGI0N47]

Dave I don't care what anyone says about you, you entertain the hell out of me. Great pod cast from all.

I like the patch from the notes, but we'll see how it plays.

BTW I have zero remorse for the BA players.

 

[NY_Jailhouse]

Goddammit Dave, you made the worst argument for Cyborg beating Black adam 7-3

cant wait to hear this lol

 

[NRF CharlieMurphy]

are you calling my mom a liar

I laughed out loud
You win!!!

 

[Raidenwins]

Incidentally, I am digging m2dave's accent. Where is he from?

 

[M2Dave]

General M2Dave please don't ever say something about what flash players should do, first of all sonic pound when done in a combo do NOT end in a hard knockdown, am 3 months ahead of you, instead end in 32. 2nd stop quote Jr when it comes to flash, just like you wouldn't for all the other character he plays, know one knows the character like i do. i don't care about his d2 nerf or slight damage nerf, i care about the neglect of his mids, specifically the b22f3 whiffing on characters and standing 2 or 11 whiffing. they fixed ares and other character mids but no the flash's? that's all i want is to hit some one with a mid, if they would have made LC MB always hit mid that would be cool but not necessary. hopefully this saturday i can prove that i am a top flash player or if not have to wait till NEC to do so.

I do not know the exact combos because I am no Flash player, but I do know that The Flash has massive wall carry and ambiguous 50/50 mix ups after any trait combo that corners you.

Also, I never said you were not a high level Flash player. I, just like the community, criticized your lack of defensive gameplay and your inability to safely close the gap without putting yourself at unnecessary risks.

 

[4x4lo8o]

AK Pig Of The Hut, Regarding some Ares stuff:
3d2 and b21 both have a cancel advantage of 25-30 frames. Teleport hast a 20 frame start up. Off of either string you can already cancel into teleport and the opponent can't move until you're on the other side(but soon enough to punish). So depending on how mb teleport works Ares very possibly could be advantange or at least neutral if he does 3d2~mb teleport or b21~mb teleport on block.

I think most Ares players are excited about the teleport because it gives him a real wake up. He was just screwed when he got knocked over before(see this thread), and the new teleports should give him an option that lets him stand up safely. He probably just jumped from having the worst wake ups in the game, to some of the best. This is the change Ares players wanted but didn't dare hope for.

Other then that, it'll also be useful in combos and now he can probably use teleport for mobility. Teleporting next to them will be safer and he'll have options that put him closer but probably not in range to get punished. So not having to rely on his shitty walk speed and the worst dashes in the game to get around will be nice.

3d2~teleport, 112~d4, GS does 37% with a ton of corner carry and is my meterless bnb off 3d2. If you're using meter 3d2 already gets huge damage with MB GS, I think the big use for mb teleport within combos will be as a way to use meter to get more damage off launchers like d1~d4 where he currently doesn't get too much.

3d2/3~d4 is Ares 50/50, I'm surprised you haven't seen Ares players using that before. It's really important, especially near the corner(even though on block in the corner it whiffs on some characters because of the bullshit trait corner glitch). 3d2 also guarantees and uninterruptable invis or d4/dd4 follow up, and you can safely 3d2~tdc towards or away. Other than d1, 3 is the normal that all his up close offense revolves around


The change that reduces meter building on specials that you can cancel might hurt Ares though. Ares is already a pretty heavily meter reliant character(mb invis, mb GS, mb f3, mb fireball are all really important), plus now they're giving him another MB special to use meter on. Using Ares trait builds meter, and trait dash canceling is a meter building method Ares players use. If every time Ares uses trait he gets less meter - even if it's only like 5% less - that could end up being significant to Ares game.

 

[Zyphox]

I do not know the exact combos because I am no Flash player, but I do know that The Flash has massive wall carry and ambiguous 50/50 mix ups after any trait combo that corners you.

Also, I never said you were not a high level Flash player. I, just like the community, criticized your lack of defensive gameplay and your inability to safely close the gap without putting yourself at unnecessary risks.

defensive gameplay against who? and btw i do all those set ups in my matches, i was the one who invented them. i've leveled up a lot since last time anyone has seen me play, especially on the defense side.

 

[jaym7018]

My favorite part was Dave saying Scorpion doesnt belong in the game, when he mained Freddy in MK. Stay consistent Dave.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

Ok, seriously, why are @AK Pig Of The Hut and REO giving @General M2Dave such a hard time for being fair! The guy is trying to be consistent in his approach towards assessing the changes NRS is making to the game and he deserves props for that. In all fairness, Black Adam did get nerfed excessively. There was no need to nerf his Dive Kick AND damage output AND trait AND backwards and forwards dashing AND Lightning Strike. Any 2-3 out of those 5 would be good, but all 5 is too much. Other than that though, I believe the changes in the patch will go a long way towards making Injustice a better game. Overall, good job NRS.

Dave feels like a brother fun to pick on/with

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

Incidentally, I am digging m2dave's accent. Where is he from?

I see a "friendship" blooming

 

[Flagg]

The dive kick nerf is as bad as it sounds, just below the knee's it was at the most -5, with the changes it adds 6 more recovery frames Not good not good

Fuck BA. There was only ever one cool BA, B.A. Barakas!

 

[Metzos]

I said he got needlessly butchered, I didn't say I'll cry about it. Considering I used Subzero and use Joker it's safe to say I don't care about having a top tier main.

Anyone who thinks my being good in IGAU is because of BA will still get 5-0d post patch, online or offline.

So you think BA was balanced compared to 95% of the cast? I ll just say this: Bane vs BA and Lobo vs BA. Just two MU examples for instance. Even the top tiers had a hard time against him... He didnt "needlessly" got nerfed. These nerfs were completely justified. And even then, he is still viable, its not like he became bottom 5... Your main was BA dont fool yourself... Joker was just a casual secondary. Plus i dont remember you entering tourneys with Joker like ever...

I would love to see that cause it will probably never happen.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

AK Pig Of The Hut, Regarding some Ares stuff:
3d2 and b21 both have a cancel advantage of 25-30 frames. Teleport hast a 20 frame start up. Off of either string you can already cancel into teleport and the opponent can't move until you're on the other side(but soon enough to punish). So depending on how mb teleport works Ares very possibly could be advantange or at least neutral if he does 3d2~mb teleport or b21~mb teleport on block.

I think most Ares players are excited about the teleport because it gives him a real wake up. He was just screwed when he got knocked over before(see this thread), and the new teleports should give him an option that lets him stand up safely. He probably just jumped from having the worst wake ups in the game, to some of the best. This is the change Ares players wanted but didn't dare hope for.

Other then that, it'll also be useful in combos and now he can probably use teleport for mobility. Teleporting next to them will be safer and he'll have options that put him closer but probably not in range to get punished. So not having to rely on his shitty walk speed and the worst dashes in the game to get around will be nice.

3d2~teleport, 112~d4, GS does 37% with a ton of corner carry and is my meterless bnb off 3d2. If you're using meter 3d2 already gets huge damage with MB GS, I think the big use for mb teleport within combos will be as a way to use meter to get more damage off launchers like d1~d4 where he currently doesn't get too much.

3d2/3~d4 is Ares 50/50, I'm surprised you haven't seen Ares players using that before. It's really important, especially near the corner(even though on block in the corner it whiffs on some characters because of the bullshit trait corner glitch). 3d2 also guarantees and uninterruptable invis or d4/dd4 follow up, and you can safely 3d2~tdc towards or away. Other than d1, 3 is the normal that all his up close offense revolves around


The change that reduces meter building on specials that you can cancel might hurt Ares though. Ares is already a pretty heavily meter reliant character(mb invis, mb GS, mb f3, mb fireball are all really important), plus now they're giving him another MB special to use meter on. Using Ares trait builds meter, and trait dash canceling is a meter building method Ares players use. If every time Ares uses trait he gets less meter - even if it's only like 5% less - that could end up being significant to Ares game.

Thanks for the great write up

In your opinion how much do u predict this helps his overall viability

IMO ZOD has no problems currently w ares and I could see MU at worst being 5-5 post patch but that's still good for both

 

[Groove Heaven]

I love how the REO/Dave fighting starts like 30 seconds in.

 

[Smarrgasm]

Just to let everyone know since a couple people have asked me after listening to this,

I am not dropping Black Adam. I am however going to be playing other characters possibly on the side and even for tournaments. I still love the character and he will always be my main but he is getting significantly nerfed and i wanna play other people alongside him.I still think he will be very good but ill wait til the patch to give my final verdict on how he fits into the new version of the game.

I will probly be playing the game itself less and less so I may not be around quite as much but we will see.

 

[SZSR]

Is the video down for anyone else?

Also, for anyone interested, the shazam part is from 1:12:00 to 1:16:00.

 

[Chongo]

I LOVE how M2dave says "chew" instead of true.

 

[M2Dave]

My favorite part was Dave saying Scorpion doesnt belong in the game, when he mained Freddy in MK. Stay consistent Dave.

Freddy had never been in a fighting game before. The concept was original.

If you want to use Scorpion, play Mortal Kombat 9, fool.

 

[alkipot]

As I predicted in the "predictions" thread, I figured people would be crying before even getting hands on experience with the new patch.

I'm awesome.