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Kryptonite Council Episode 8: "The Patch" Arguments, "Jimmies Rustled", and Staying Positive

How much do you like the changes of the patch?


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Qwark28

Joker waiting room
You could always do a correct dk, so thats irrelevant. And at some times when you couldnt, opponent didnt have time to react.

His back dash was stupid. Period.

BA does not deal 42% bnbs... He deals A LOT more. And not just from one string. If he has meter he can deal 30's from almost full screen... I can only imagine one character who deals 40's meterless...

Dont you even compare Ermac with BA and MK9 with IGAU in general...

Because MB lightning now is minus on block as it should have been. +8f on block is not the same as -1f on block.....
42% meterless is a lot better than 6% more for one bar and trait. and it also isnt a lot more.

divekicks "where the opponent couldnt react" was basically in your face. you should be blocking low only when you see lightning since his overheads are great, the risk is huge and the reward is very little on hit for BA.

well just agree to disagree.
 

4x4lo8o

Warrior
Thanks for the great write up

In your opinion how much do u predict this helps his overall viability

IMO ZOD has no problems currently w ares and I could see MU at worst being 5-5 post patch but that's still good for both
I really don't know. The changes are too broad and open ended. I will say that compared to the rumors about giving Godsmack 2 hits of armor or decreasing the cool down on Axe the buffs are amazing. I was ready to declare Ares bottom 3.

The change to super won't matter. The change to 22 might be pretty big. There are 5 or 6 characters who can crouch the 2nd hit of 22, so for those match ups it'll be nice but not huge. But 22 also had a problem with whiffing unexpectedly on other characters, based on spacing or something. It was pretty inconsistent, even if the opponent was standing, and easy to punish so if they fixed that it'll be fairly significant.

The teleport buff could be really huge, but it depends. Being able to stand up for free is a big deal obviously, but it's hard to tell how it'll affect match ups. Being able to stand up doesn't help much if he still gets wrecked in all parts of the neutral and zoning game, and in the current version there are definitely match ups like that.

I think between the buffs he got and other characters nerfs he'll be solid. I think any predictions of S tier are too optimistic
 

Cabronium

Stream monster: Qperg.
AK Pig Of The Hut, When I play offline against PLAYING TO W1N with Batgirl, he always mentions her as a bad match for Sinestro. You guys didn't list her as one of them when talking about the b12 buff. What do you think about the MU?

WoundCowboy
It seems like a bad MU for sinestro because she is able to punish zoning. Though it can be baited out. It did seem like Wound Cowboy did well against batgirl at TFC I'd like to hear his opinion
 

RiBBz22

TYM's Confirmed Prophet/Time-Traveler
It seems like a bad MU for sinestro because she is able to punish zoning. Though it can be baited out. It did seem like Wound Cowboy did well against batgirl at TFC I'd like to hear his opinion
Yeah, I feel it is 6-4 BG. It could change now that b12 is mid-mid hitting though.
 

Rickyraws

This mean you don't like me?
Yeah, I feel it is 6-4 BG. It could change now that b12 is mid-mid hitting though.
Let me just dive into this conversation and see if I can kick and rumors to the ground. Patches of gameplay between to two characters show that while the change does not make the MU a backdash, so to speak, it very well changes how things play when you consider that Batgirl can MB low lightning is no longer +8
 

Konqrr

MK11 Kabal = MK9 Kitana
Divekick was -5 lowest height. Mess it up once, eat d1 into combo.
Really? The pushback was too far for most characters to reach him for even that. You would have to walk forward a little to reach and that takes precious frames.
 

NY_Jailhouse

Warrior
you guys are so hard on m2dave for talking about the black adam vs cyborg matchup :(
he didnt articulate very well why it might end up 7-3, but in theory fighting terms it really should be.
most charcaters that are forced to come at cyborg from a straightforward frontal attack get zoned the hell out by nova blaster. the one thing black adam had going to get in was divekicking properly (which will now be YOLO) and dashing forward rapidly at the correct time (nerfed badly). in zoning wars right now, black adam loses pretty bad HOWEVER he can get favorable trades by knocking cyb out of iafb with the lightning and then dashing a bunch of times. cant do that anymore. now he iwll have to rely on yolo black magics from full screen (very negative), walking forward and duckwalking, and yolo divekicks. Also, his damage is reduced when he finally does land a stupid combo, and the cyborg trait buff will help him regain a lot of that life.

curious to hear a black adam mains perspective

AK Smarrgasm
 

ApocaLips

Kombatant
Yeah, I feel it is 6-4 BG. It could change now that b12 is mid-mid hitting though.
You scared the shit out of me. I thought there was an unmentioned change that BG's b1 was going to hit mid, then I realized you were talking about Sinestro. Crisis averted.
 

Smarrgasm

What's a Smarrgasm?
you guys are so hard on m2dave for talking about the black adam vs cyborg matchup :(
he didnt articulate very well why it might end up 7-3, but in theory fighting terms it really should be.
most charcaters that are forced to come at cyborg from a straightforward frontal attack get zoned the hell out by nova blaster. the one thing black adam had going to get in was divekicking properly (which will now be YOLO) and dashing forward rapidly at the correct time (nerfed badly). in zoning wars right now, black adam loses pretty bad HOWEVER he can get favorable trades by knocking cyb out of iafb with the lightning and then dashing a bunch of times. cant do that anymore. now he iwll have to rely on yolo black magics from full screen (very negative), walking forward and duckwalking, and yolo divekicks. Also, his damage is reduced when he finally does land a stupid combo, and the cyborg trait buff will help him regain a lot of that life.

curious to hear a black adam mains perspective

AK Smarrgasm
Ill play it after the patch. I have no idea how i will approach it until i see the new species of my character.
 

RiBBz22

TYM's Confirmed Prophet/Time-Traveler
You scared the shit out of me. I thought there was an unmentioned change that BG's b1 was going to hit mid, then I realized you were talking about Sinestro. Crisis averted.
Haha, ya if that happened there would be no more Batgirl players lol.
 

cR WoundCowboy

WoundCowbae <3
AK Pig Of The Hut, When I play offline against PLAYING TO W1N with Batgirl, he always mentions her as a bad match for Sinestro. You guys didn't list her as one of them when talking about the b12 buff. What do you think about the MU?

WoundCowboy
I don't see the MU as being too bad; feels more like a 5-5. She can't really stop trait charge without taking a risk. The reason I lost against Fox the first time was because I was unfamiliar with the vortex setups. It had nothing to do with the footsies.
 

RiBBz22

TYM's Confirmed Prophet/Time-Traveler
I don't see the MU as being too bad; feels more like a 5-5. She can't really stop trait charge without taking a risk. The reason I lost against Fox the first time was because I was unfamiliar with the vortex setups. It had nothing to do with the footsies.
Sweet, now I can put PLAYING TO W1N on blast. Thanks for that!
 
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