I assume he means Indiana Jones.Tomb Raider was always a woman, wasn't she?
Curious, how was Fallout being called "woke?"Amazon's Fallout was super well-recieved despite being "woke."
There's this little website which shows you how many people play a game on Steam at the same time, giving you an idea of the relative player base of a game.I'm not sure where this idea that MK1 is getting "abandoned" is coming from. They said that during the game's first six months and it didn't happen. Likewise, Ed Boon has said KP2 isn't the end of support for MK1. The game is in the best spot it's been in some time and it's only going to continue to improve.
Rather than expressing any kind of basic human empathy or intellectual curiosity and talk to people outside their circle or actually educate themselves, they retreat into the echo chamber, call everything they don't like "woke" or "DEI" without ever actually being able to CONSISTENTLY define those phrases in the context they use them in, and are clearly very miserable people.
So, you claim there is no definition of 'woke', and in the same breath call the shows/games above as woke? I'm confused. How can you classify something as 'woke' when you claim there is no definition?Amazon's Fallout was super well-recieved despite being "woke."
X-Men 97 - an extremely "woke" show was a massive success
Then you have Baldur's Gate 3 - a game full of queer people, people of color, pretty much everything these people hate - Game of the Year and swept pretty much every award worth having the year it came out.
I'd be curious to see the numbers from PlayStation, as the primary version of the game and the tournament standard version.There's this little website which shows you how many people play a game on Steam at the same time, giving you an idea of the relative player base of a game.
Sure it's not - I'm not claiming that 2K people only play MK1 from all systems. My point was that MK1's PC playerbase literally fled after 2-3 months, but a very solid portion of the Tekken fanbase on PC decided to stick around. Same with Street Fighter 6.I'd be curious to see the numbers from PlayStation, as the primary version of the game and the tournament standard version.
For fighting games, PC versions (Steam or otherwise) are never the best metric to determine success/player base.
Couple things:There's this little website which shows you how many people play a game on Steam at the same time, giving you an idea of the relative player base of a game.
There were times 2-3 months ago that MK1 had 1-2K players, while SF6 had 6-8K as well as Tekken 8. You could also see that MK11 had more players playing at the same time back in say, May than MK1 had.
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You can see 1.2K players were online playing MK1 back in May, on Steam, with its peak being 38K players. The numbers got a bump in the past few days, due to the patch and the KP2 trailer, no doubt. But the fact remains that MK1 at best, maintains 1/10th of its playerbase, and at worst, 1/20th.
Now, let's check out Tekken.
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It had a few more buyers, but managed to maintain 1/5th of its playerbase's interest, which means more of the people who bought it decided to drop down the controller after the honeymoon period of the first couple of weeks.
So, the claim that MK1 is in 'the best spot it has ever been' is a flat out lie.
So, you claim there is no definition of 'woke', and in the same breath call the shows/games above as woke? I'm confused. How can you classify something as 'woke' when you claim there is no definition?
At any rate, a product can be woke and good at the same time. But due to the nature of how DEI works, the odds are against it. It's not impossible, but it IS more difficult.
And X-Men 97 wasn't a success. It was reviewed well, but its numbers were disappointing, according to the ratings.
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Lots of complaining by the usual red pill grifters about the main protag being a woman, about The Ghoul being in an interracial marriage, about The Brotherhood character we follow being black, etc.Curious, how was Fallout being called "woke?"
I think you're intentionally misrepresenting the argument here. No one is saying that genderswapping magically makes the characters appear in the game without any effort. However, it's impossible to ignore the fact that it is FAR easier to genderswap a character than it is to create a unique and original character what will be as iconic, interesting, and well-received as the legacy characters that already exist.Also, those pushing the idea that the gender swap was, "lazy," don't understand how writing works.
First, they would have to come up with a backstory, characterization, personalities, etc that fit with the world they created. Then you have to write the script. That script goes through many edits and drafts to accommodate what can and can't be animated, motion captured, rendered, etc within engine.
It's a lot of work. Making video games is hard work. Even the most polished of Triple A titles are a couple lines of code from completely falling apart.
This man thinks the entire world exists through Steam. Lmao.Sure it's not - I'm not claiming that 2K people only play MK1 from all systems. My point was that MK1's PC playerbase literally fled after 2-3 months, but a very solid portion of the Tekken fanbase on PC decided to stick around. Same with Street Fighter 6.
The point is that it's not a PC issue, it's an MK1 issue.
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Back in June, the MK11 playerbase on Steam was two to THREE TIMES the playebase on MK1.
Except I've already demonstrated why it isn't "easy" or "lazy."I think you're intentionally misrepresenting the argument here. No one is saying that genderswapping magically makes the characters appear in the game without any effort. However, it's impossible to ignore the fact that it is FAR easier to genderswap a character than it is to create a unique and original character what will be as iconic, interesting, and well-received as the legacy characters that already exist.
Creating a new character is a difficult process, and people know that. That's why the temptation to take an established character, change a few things about them, then resell them can be so overwhelming. So when customers see a AAA developer/producer take the tempting easy route, they are lambasted as being lazy, and rightfully so.
No one sane has any problem with women or minorities having roles in media and stories. My favorite character in FF7 is Tifa. My main lead in the superhero webcomic I am making is a lesbian. Most of the most beloved characters in Doctor Who are women.One more thing and I swear I'm done with this topic:
The people that argue, "we think it's lazy to change x character to (insert marginalized group) rather than making something new," are missing a few key factors:
1) The premise of MK1. The entire concept of the New Era was to deliberately change canon and do different things with existing characters than what came before. Ed Boon has said this multiple times in interviews. Now you may not like the changes and that's fine to a point - but Cyrax and Sektor were always going to be different. Just like every other character is.
2) Your argument is that changing a straight, white character to something else rather than, "make something new" implies that the default isn't for anyone else other than straight white people.
We'll take The Doctor, for example. I don't like Doctor Who but my roommate is a Whovian so I know a little. When you get mad that they make the Doctor a woman or something - because they're now a woman - you're saying that women aren't welcome in your space. This is because all people like seeing characters that look like them or represent them in their favorite media.
As white people, we've been the "default" in the vast majority of media for a very long time, so long that many people don't even think about it. But that's not been the case for people of color and queer people, who might like to see a black or lady Doctor. By bucking against this, you're displaying:
1) That you are afraid of change.
2) That marginalized people are not welcome in your "scene."
If you have the ability to empathize, how do you think that feels being on the other end?
Nothing fundamentally changes if the Doctor is a lady instead of a guy. In fact, I'm pretty sure The Master became a lady at one point. The world kept spinning and it didn't ultimately matter.
The people that argue "pandering" and "woke" don't ultimately care about any of this, though. They are fundamentally uncurious people with no ability to empathize with people that are unlike themselves, so I don't expect to change anyone's mind.
I just wanted to engage in as good faith as possible with these arguments.
At the end of the day, KP2 is gonna sell like gang busters.
Except it's lazy marketing and rarely works. If you want to attract women to video games, make good female characters. D'vorah is fucking great, and at least the kombat kiddies were new. It's not like MK1 has good writing, but gender swaps are often a red flag of low quality content.The reason characters get gender swapped is because ratio of women to men in video games is like 1:10, but ratio of women to men in real life is like 2.5:1.
Some call it Marketing.
Somewhat. Apparently it's ok to dislike Kuai Liang becoming Scorpion, but disliking Sektor and Cyrax becoming Ironheart rip-offs is a bridge too far.Seems like there's a general argument here that you can change anything about a character's appearance, backstory, personality but as long as you keep the same name, no one should dislike it. Silly
Everyone is free to dislike or like whatever they want, and give their opinions on it. That's absolutely fine.Seems like there's a general argument here that you can change anything about a character's appearance, backstory, personality but as long as you keep the same name, no one should dislike it. Silly
Politics is currently a banned topic on TYM. Pretty much anywhere is a better place to discuss politics than on a forum for video games. Unfortunately, the "woke/anti-woke" nonsense is basically unavoidable when it comes to stuff like gender-swapped characters.Everyone is free to dislike or like whatever they want, and give their opinions on it. That's absolutely fine.
The argument here from my understanding however is not so much about MK and the characters, but more about woke culture. I understand this might be a huge topic in America, but not all of us are American here. Personally, it doesn't affect my life and I don't care for it, and I feel annoyed that it keeps popping up in a gaming forum.
@Mr Aquaman @CrimsonShadow @RoboCop @Juggs Maybe you guys should consider making a Politics category in the forum or something. Just a suggestion.
Ah. Keep in mind, I recall there was a solid drop in player base for Mortal Kombat X and Mortal Kombat 11 as well a few weeks after launch. A lot of people seem to play the Story Mode and then move on to the next game. It was a constant "discussion point" for each game back in the day about why said latest Mortal Kombat was a "bad game." Or bad port.Sure it's not - I'm not claiming that 2K people only play MK1 from all systems. My point was that MK1's PC playerbase literally fled after 2-3 months, but a very solid portion of the Tekken fanbase on PC decided to stick around. Same with Street Fighter 6.
The point is that it's not a PC issue, it's an MK1 issue.
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Back in June, the MK11 playerbase on Steam was two to THREE TIMES the playebase on MK1.
I find that odd. At least with the modern (i.e. Bethesda Game Studios) Fallout games, you've been able to choose the gender of your character in each game. And with the Black Widow perk and the majority of human enemies being male, it is generally agreed that a female player character ends up being the "stonger" of characters in the games. I'm pretty sure we see interracial couples in the games as well, as well as non-white Brotherhood of Steel members.Lots of complaining by the usual red pill grifters about the main protag being a woman, about The Ghoul being in an interracial marriage, about The Brotherhood character we follow being black, etc.
Your logical continuity is one of the worst i have ever seen.One more thing and I swear I'm done with this topic:
The people that argue, "we think it's lazy to change x character to (insert marginalized group) rather than making something new," are missing a few key factors:
1) The premise of MK1. The entire concept of the New Era was to deliberately change canon and do different things with existing characters than what came before. Ed Boon has said this multiple times in interviews. Now you may not like the changes and that's fine to a point - but Cyrax and Sektor were always going to be different. Just like every other character is.
2) Your argument is that changing a straight, white character to something else rather than, "make something new" implies that the default isn't for anyone else other than straight white people.
We'll take The Doctor, for example. I don't like Doctor Who but my roommate is a Whovian so I know a little. When you get mad that they make the Doctor a woman or something - because they're now a woman - you're saying that women aren't welcome in your space. This is because all people like seeing characters that look like them or represent them in their favorite media.
As white people, we've been the "default" in the vast majority of media for a very long time, so long that many people don't even think about it. But that's not been the case for people of color and queer people, who might like to see a black or lady Doctor. By bucking against this, you're displaying:
1) That you are afraid of change.
2) That marginalized people are not welcome in your "scene."
If you have the ability to empathize, how do you think that feels being on the other end?
Nothing fundamentally changes if the Doctor is a lady instead of a guy. In fact, I'm pretty sure The Master became a lady at one point. The world kept spinning and it didn't ultimately matter.
The people that argue "pandering" and "woke" don't ultimately care about any of this, though. They are fundamentally uncurious people with no ability to empathize with people that are unlike themselves, so I don't expect to change anyone's mind.
I just wanted to engage in as good faith as possible with these arguments.
At the end of the day, KP2 is gonna sell like gang busters.