Thanks for the answers. So against Kano it's basically about making reads. Gotta figure out how to deal with his corner though, a Cybernetic once absolutely bodied me with godlike footsies and guaranteed win once he got me in the corner.
Kano....frame trapping? What variation(s) specifically are bothering you?
Cyber smoked you in the corner? I alot of his pressure can be poked. Unless hes doing alot if ex knives. If you have some vid links of youplaying , i would gladly point out what you can do.
Was weeks ago, not sure if I can still find it. I'll have to find a good PC Kano to check what I'm doing wrong.
I play on PC and there really aren't many good Kanos, though I have fought two that seemed to play Kano at a pretty high level. Cybernetic is the variation I struggle with the most, could be because I have only faced a good Commando twice and most Cutthroats don't know what they're doing. The thing with Cybernetic is that he seems to control the match and forces me to make mistakes (such as teleports which he can full combo punish and run-ins that get catched with footsies). His corner game was also a bit odd, since he basically kept me stuck in a 'loop', meaning he did 32 or B32 (both of which are +2 I believe) into either 11 or another B32 which he could hit confirm. With 11 I seem to have an 8-frame window to do something and since Raiden's fastest normal is F1 (6 frames), I have 2 frames for the input. Probably should've mentioned that I play online, makes it a pain to deal with Kano's stuff.
Def haha. Alot of his stuff is -2, -1. B32 (what he said^ is +1) can only get him a poke. He can go for anything else but can be poked out of. What it sounds like is happening is that hes ending in -1 or -2 and going for like a poke or s1 (8frames) and your trying to go for like a move Thats 10 frames or slower. You can f1 with raiden but he can poke you out if that cause its a high.you have to poke him back to get your turn
ex slice and regular have the same frames.
Yeah well the first mistake is playing online lol. Offline you'll have a much easier time. Cybernetic does have good space control tools, especially with Raiden's neutral game suffering as he doesn't have great fast advancing mids, and knives are going to annoy you but they only do 1% chip and if you walk and block you've already covered half the matchup and ate like 3-4% max in chip. He shouldn't be able to full combo punish teleports unless you're making it obvious that you're going to do them. 31 is -1, he doesn't have a B32 string but B31 is +1, 11 is 8 frames startup and B31 is 14 frames on startup.
As Kano:
Do you mean the 4 at the end of the string? or do you mean the last hit of the quick punches?I don't know if you guys knew this or not but Kung Lao's 11212 string tends to whiff on a blocking Kano
Stand blocking 11212: The 5th hit of 11212 whiffs on both stances
Crouch blocking: Seems to be 50/50 on whether the 4th hit or the 5th hit whiffs on both stances
Edit: Just tested it a little more and on occasion all 5 hits will hit but I can't replicate the situation that that happens in NotLikeThis
No as in 11212
Damn that's sweet then. So stand blocking makes it so he can next get the 4 out?
I don't get what you mean
I may be incorrect, but IIRC if the last hit of 11212 whiffs then the 4 won't come out on block. Quite possibly talking shit though.Ok so I've found one situation that's a bit consistent in making all 5 hits hit. After being hit by 11 all 5 hits of 11212 usually will connect on block. As in Lao does 11 on hit then 11212 on block.
I don't get what you mean
Nah that only happens with specials, not the ends of strings. So if you try to do 112124 on block and the second 2 whiffs then the 4 will still come out, but if you do 11212~spin for example and the second two whiffs then you won't get the spin.
Yeah labbed it and I was wrong. It seems to make the last hit whiff that you can't be point blank. Trying to work out how to make the 4 whiff consistently as well.
The last hit of 11212 or 112124? I didn't think 4 whiffed much if at all, I haven't been able to make it whiff yet. It's really just 11212 that I was looking at.
Yeah the 4 can whiff allowing for a punish. Trying to work out what causes it.
Surely that's pretty rare though?
Actually apon testing its not too rare. The spacing seems to be fairly consistent and if you block the quick punches low before the kick it will whiff.
you can parry last hit if you block the first hit at max range because it'll push you far enough.I don't know if you guys knew this or not but Kung Lao's 11212 string tends to whiff on a blocking Kano
Stand blocking 11212: The 5th hit of 11212 whiffs on both stances
Crouch blocking: Seems to be 50/50 on whether the 4th hit or the 5th hit whiffs on both stances
Edit: Just tested it a little more and on occasion all 5 hits will hit but I can't replicate the situation that that happens in NotLikeThis
The last hit of what? 11212? 112124? 11?