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DeftMonk

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i noticed something , on console jax kb on quad grab is wayyyyyy easier than on pc ? anyone els ? i mean i have 100% success on console.

is the frames the same ? something feel different big time for me.
maybe u got input lag on in options on one of the two so the timing ur using is only working on one of them?
 

thlityoursloat

kick kick
SF tried out GB so I went ahead and labbed it to see if any of the shit he was doing was legit.

Surprise surprise, nothing is legit.
f33 cancelled into anything from bf2, including bf2 itself and yes the -20 low, has a giant pokable gap. The new db4 change is nice since it makes db4 amp more consistent midscreen, and that's nice because it lets him break 30% for a bar from level 1 heat.
Everthing else doesn't launch and bf2 cancels are probably the worst cancels in the game, all of which leave you at least -15 and certain ones leaving you over -20.
wtf is this variation? is it his combo or his mixup variation? Why are both so underwhelming? I understand the "50/50s" being unsafe but not with those gigantic gaps that are now easier to os poke out more than ever. If you mash out of f33 the only and only thing that can hit you is f331 which still has the FBable gap, is still -7 and ofc lacks the KB. Either that or you can bait the poke and start your strike/throw game.
Not to mention this is probably the only variation in the game with 0 disjointed attacks, and 0 fuck neutral specials, which just doesn't work in MK11.
 

CY MasterHavik

Master of Chaos and Jax
Premium Supporter
SF tried out GB so I went ahead and labbed it to see if any of the shit he was doing was legit.

Surprise surprise, nothing is legit.
f33 cancelled into anything from bf2, including bf2 itself and yes the -20 low, has a giant pokable gap. The new db4 change is nice since it makes db4 amp more consistent midscreen, and that's nice because it lets him break 30% for a bar from level 1 heat.
Everthing else doesn't launch and bf2 cancels are probably the worst cancels in the game, all of which leave you at least -15 and certain ones leaving you over -20.
wtf is this variation? is it his combo or his mixup variation? Why are both so underwhelming? I understand the "50/50s" being unsafe but not with those gigantic gaps that are now easier to os poke out more than ever. If you mash out of f33 the only and only thing that can hit you is f331 which still has the FBable gap, is still -7 and ofc lacks the KB. Either that or you can bait the poke and start your strike/throw game.
Not to mention this is probably the only variation in the game with 0 disjointed attacks, and 0 fuck neutral specials, which just doesn't work in MK11.
I like the other two more. The frame data here is cool but if you just like mixup.
 
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SF tried out GB so I went ahead and labbed it to see if any of the shit he was doing was legit.

Surprise surprise, nothing is legit.
f33 cancelled into anything from bf2, including bf2 itself and yes the -20 low, has a giant pokable gap. The new db4 change is nice since it makes db4 amp more consistent midscreen, and that's nice because it lets him break 30% for a bar from level 1 heat.
Everthing else doesn't launch and bf2 cancels are probably the worst cancels in the game, all of which leave you at least -15 and certain ones leaving you over -20.
wtf is this variation? is it his combo or his mixup variation? Why are both so underwhelming? I understand the "50/50s" being unsafe but not with those gigantic gaps that are now easier to os poke out more than ever. If you mash out of f33 the only and only thing that can hit you is f331 which still has the FBable gap, is still -7 and ofc lacks the KB. Either that or you can bait the poke and start your strike/throw game.
Not to mention this is probably the only variation in the game with 0 disjointed attacks, and 0 fuck neutral specials, which just doesn't work in MK11.
I thought we all ageed gb is trash for the reasons you listed?
 

thlityoursloat

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I thought we all ageed gb is trash for the reasons you listed?
SF just contemplated maining this trash variation lol. Watching hayatei just stand there taking the -15 cancel like it's plus frames was hilarious.

I like the other two more. The frame data here is cool but it if you just like mixup.
I'm sorry I don't understand. I think GB has horrendous frame data and the mixups are fake as fuck. The bf2 specific mixups can all be poked out of from f33, and the oh is obviously slow with a very obvious audio cue.
 
SF just contemplated maining this trash variation lol. Watching hayatei just stand there taking the -15 cancel like it's plus frames was hilarious.



I'm sorry I don't understand. I think GB has horrendous frame data and the mixups are fake as fuck. The bf2 specific mixups can all be poked out of from f33, and the oh is obviously slow with a very obvious audio cue.
Naw he titles like every video this way, I think at least 90% of the cast he’s had videos titled should blank be my main?! He doesn’t really plan on maining the majority of the people he brings up
 

thlityoursloat

kick kick
I would PAY to watch someone actually really good and adaptable like NK fight a good Jax. It'd be satisfying in a way seeing him get zoned out, spaced out, punished for ever attempting to use his extremely slow zoning, just to get interrupted nonstop once he gets up close because his frame data is SHIT.
Like, I'm not even mad that this character is blatantly bad, I'm mad that everyone thinks he's this A tier character that's just underrated or whatever. Just lol. No hope at all for him ever recieving buffs, if anything they'll nerf him again I'm sure.
 

LaidbackOne

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Any ideas what would make GB better?

-I'd love to see bf2 amp link from 12 and f2
-A faster startup on the projectile parry
-bf2 cancel to be much less minus for a defensive bar

I believe these changes would at least make this variation fun to play
 

CY MasterHavik

Master of Chaos and Jax
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SF just contemplated maining this trash variation lol. Watching hayatei just stand there taking the -15 cancel like it's plus frames was hilarious.



I'm sorry I don't understand. I think GB has horrendous frame data and the mixups are fake as fuck. The bf2 specific mixups can all be poked out of from f33, and the oh is obviously slow with a very obvious audio cue.
Just trying to justify what they were thinking. It's not my go to honesty. I think Haytei just didn't know the frame data on it.


Any ideas what would make GB better?

-I'd love to see bf2 amp link from 12 and f2
-A faster startup on the projectile parry
-bf2 cancel to be much less minus for a defensive bar

I believe these changes would at least make this variation fun to play
Actual plus frames?
 

thlityoursloat

kick kick
Any ideas what would make GB better?

-I'd love to see bf2 amp link from 12 and f2
-A faster startup on the projectile parry
-bf2 cancel to be much less minus for a defensive bar

I believe these changes would at least make this variation fun to play
bf2 itself needs to be quicker, just a little bit, so while, yeah, there's still a gap when cancelled from a string but not a pokeable gap. That way bf2 on block is a thing and the low mixup is a thing.
Jax is out here with 2 completely non tournament viable variations that are extremely gimmicky and bad and no one at all cares lol. No one plays Jax or actually understands him, they all just see that he can stagger a 9f mid and slap him onto S/A tier and call it a day.
 
SF tried out GB so I went ahead and labbed it to see if any of the shit he was doing was legit.
I was a GB main before HD, I washed scrubs until I hit the level where people mashed out of all my bf2 options. So this makes GB effectively a fake, gimmick variation. Without the extra grab+heat from his f2/f33 string this variation is pointless.His projectile parry isn't good cuz almost everyone has an amped mid projectile that will hit him when he tries to parry and they can vary their timing, and even then Jax can't win any match by zoning he has to get in cuz that's where he is strongest. Anyone that says bf2 is good against getting in on zoners in GB is wrong, it requires making insane reads and cant even work cuz zoners jump away when u get near them, or know exactly what the move is trying to do. Amped mid and low projectiles make this move useless as a get in tool.Damn near every other character, even the other grapplers I believe have REAL launchers that can't be poked out of. GB only works on people who play respectfully like your friends but will get beat 80% of time by anyone that knows the MU.
Surprise surprise, nothing is legit.
f33 cancelled into anything from bf2, including bf2 itself and yes the -20 low, has a giant pokable gap. The new db4 change is nice since it makes db4 amp more consistent midscreen, and that's nice because it lets him break 30% for a bar from level 1 heat.
Everthing else doesn't launch and bf2 cancels are probably the worst cancels in the game, all of which leave you at least -15 and certain ones leaving you over -20.
wtf is this variation? is it his combo or his mixup variation? Why are both so underwhelming? I understand the "50/50s" being unsafe but not with those gigantic gaps that are now easier to os poke out more than ever. If you mash out of f33 the only and only thing that can hit you is f331 which still has the FBable gap, is still -7 and ofc lacks the KB. Either that or you can bait the poke and start your strike/throw game.
Not to mention this is probably the only variation in the game with 0 disjointed attacks, and 0 fuck neutral specials, which just doesn't work in MK11.
 
I would PAY to watch someone actually really good and adaptable like NK fight a good Jax. It'd be satisfying in a way seeing him get zoned out, spaced out, punished for ever attempting to use his extremely slow zoning, just to get interrupted nonstop once he gets up close because his frame data is SHIT.
Like, I'm not even mad that this character is blatantly bad, I'm mad that everyone thinks he's this A tier character that's just underrated or whatever. Just lol. No hope at all for him ever recieving buffs, if anything they'll nerf him again I'm sure.
He deserves a real combo launcher in Hunker down. People don't realize that wouldn't be broken. It'd be on par and not even as good as how Geras is now. Jax is like a shell of a character when he doesnt have any heat meanwhile geras and others get their damage guaranteed without having to win in neutral 4 times beforehand risking his life.
 
Any ideas what would make GB better?

-I'd love to see bf2 amp link from 12 and f2
-A faster startup on the projectile parry
-bf2 cancel to be much less minus for a defensive bar

I believe these changes would at least make this variation fun to play
1st: make all the bf2 options REAL and cant be poked out of. Also why does he have damn near the slowest overhead laucher in the game lol. Why play this variation when you can play sonya/cassie and get big damage off of a fast overhead that you have to respect, with better zoning. The variation makes sense on paper, he basically loses his grappling capability in order to be like a normal character but it's clear the devs feared he is too op.
2nd: projectile parry def should be faster do that it can actually punish people for not respecting it. Any sonya, shang, skarlet doesn't have to respect it.

But we all know he won't get buffed cuz ppl think his staggers are broken when other characters can stagger crazy too, while getting real damage for less risk. NRS doesn't pay attention to how trash he is in high tier play
 
bf2 itself needs to be quicker, just a little bit, so while, yeah, there's still a gap when cancelled from a string but not a pokeable gap. That way bf2 on block is a thing and the low mixup is a thing.
Jax is out here with 2 completely non tournament viable variations that are extremely gimmicky and bad and no one at all cares lol. No one plays Jax or actually understands him, they all just see that he can stagger a 9f mid and slap him onto S/A tier and call it a day.
Overhead is so slow there's no reason to be scared anyway if this change was implemented.
 

CY MasterHavik

Master of Chaos and Jax
Premium Supporter
Well a lot of characters are not played at a high level due to people wanting to tier whore. No one played Joker until Sonicfox broke him out at Final Kombat. While Jax isn't strong as he was before the fatal blow nerfs and some adjustments to his frame data, he is still pretty good and doesn't need to do proper combos due to his mix. He will have a little struggle getting in with solid projectiles, good strings, easy KBs, and a really fat fatal blow he is gonna do damage.
 
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im also surprise that SF used the f3 staggers wich is
Well a lot of characters are not played at a high level due to people wanting to tier whore. No one played Joker until Sonicfox broke him out at Final Kombat. While Jax isn't strong as he was before the fatal blow nerfs and some adjustments to his frame data he is still pretty good and doesn't need to do proper combos due to his mix. He will have a little struggle getting in with solid projectiles, good strings, easy KBs, and a really fat fatal blow he is gonna do damage.
please do not compare Joker to Jax , i play Joker his my third character and i can say witout a doubt joker is top 5. insane damage god like normals , insane mouvement , safe as fuck and he as real plus frames.
 

CY MasterHavik

Master of Chaos and Jax
Premium Supporter
im also surprise that SF used the f3 staggers wich is


please do not compare Joker to Jax , i play Joker his my third character and i can say witout a doubt joker is top 5. insane damage god like normals , insane mouvement , safe as fuck and he as real plus frames.
I'm just saying there is a lot of characters that fly under the radar because everyone wants to have a pocket Jacqui, Liu, Cage, and etc. I think Jax is someone you shouldn't sleep on as he bully you.
 
I'm just saying there is a lot of characters that fly under the radar because everyone wants to have a pocket Jacqui, Liu, Cage, and etc. I think Jax is someone you shouldn't sleep on as he bully you.
Jax is bad , sorry to bring you the news , dont compare jax to jacqui,liu and cage cmon man.
 

CY MasterHavik

Master of Chaos and Jax
Premium Supporter
Jax is bad , sorry to bring you the news , dont compare jax to jacqui,liu and cage cmon man.
Has one of the fastest fatal blows in the game, has the ability to side switch with two special moves, Easy Kbs, good high low game, solid projectiles, and can check from long range with ground pound. This character is far from bad. LOL The meta still favors his style of play since it is center around pokes which he has a lot of. I'm not comparing Jax to the characters I listed, I'm just telling you that people haven't been trying other characters. I mean I heard from Tweedy people think Terminator was bad because he can't get in. (LOL!).
 

thlityoursloat

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I'm just saying there is a lot of characters that fly under the radar because everyone wants to have a pocket Jacqui, Liu, Cage, and etc. I think Jax is someone you shouldn't sleep on as he bully you.
bully WHO with what
with his full combo punishable 50/50s and -11 f3? with this “plus frames” into f3 which isn’t real? or into d1 which isn’t real against 6 framers? his autoshimmy that’s like... doesn’t lead to anything meanwhile top tiers are LAUNCHING you from their autoshimmy? his piss poor damage? his 12% command grab that’s a -42 high that had its only redeeming factor nerfed to shit?
Talking bout HD obvs, even that variation is balls.
 

thlityoursloat

kick kick
Has one of the fastest fatal blows in the game, has the ability to side switch with two special moves, Easy Kbs, good high low game, solid projectiles, and can check from long range with ground pound. This character is far from bad. LOL The meta still favors his style of play since it is center around pokes which he has a lot of. I'm not comparing Jax to the characters I listed, I'm just telling you that people haven't been trying other characters. I mean I heard from Tweedy people think Terminator was bad because he can't get in. (LOL!).
his FB was nerfed tremendously. Not because you can duck it from a distance into a d2 kb, but because you can’t use it on its own up close anymore because it WHIFFS AHAINST POKES.