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Breakthrough - Jason Voorhees Jason In Patch 10/4/2016

Rude

You will serve me in The Netherrealm
Seems like Slasher corner combos may have changed a little. Still seems like a strong variation but maybe outclassed by Unstoppable?
 

Saltea Moonspell

"I'm a zoner, with ma boner"
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Hey guys, I have a quick question. Is the string b12 at any point punishable ? What is the best defense in scenario where Jamson rushing like a psycho with this string ?
 

CrazyFingers

Cyber Lin Kuei, Awaiting Shang Tsung
Moderator
Hey guys, I have a quick question. Is the string b12 at any point punishable ? What is the best defense in scenario where Jamson rushing like a psycho with this string ?
If he whiffs the whole string, that's when you can whiff punish. B1/B12 is his go to stagger so keep that in mind and the full string is minus enough to consistently have your turn. It's safe at all points tho. Keep the B1/B12 stagger in mind (it's about as good as old Piercing's stagger with identical buttons too)
 

Saltea Moonspell

"I'm a zoner, with ma boner"
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Dude, its almost impossible to do a whiff punish on string that has such forward advancing properties - thats A.
B - I asked about punishing the string on block.

My turn, but my turn ends when he dose ex choke because that shit armored, so while he is at minus frame and while its my turn he is still able to fuck me over for trying punishing him, is that correct or perhaps I am missing something here ? I dont have Jason and I dont play Jason and I was not able to find quickly anything about it.
 

Mikemetroid

Who hired this guy, WTF?
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Dude, its almost impossible to do a whiff punish on string that has such forward advancing properties - thats A.
B - I asked about punishing the string on block.

My turn, but my turn ends when he dose ex choke because that shit armored, so while he is at minus frame and while its my turn he is still able to fuck me over for trying punishing him, is that correct or perhaps I am missing something here ? I dont have Jason and I dont play Jason and I was not able to find quickly anything about it.
Low profile pokes work pretty nicely vs Jason, but ultimately you need a higher hit box mid to compete with it (like Tremor's f2).
 

CrazyFingers

Cyber Lin Kuei, Awaiting Shang Tsung
Moderator
Dude, its almost impossible to do a whiff punish on string that has such forward advancing properties - thats A.
B - I asked about punishing the string on block.

My turn, but my turn ends when he dose ex choke because that shit armored, so while he is at minus frame and while its my turn he is still able to fuck me over for trying punishing him, is that correct or perhaps I am missing something here ? I dont have Jason and I dont play Jason and I was not able to find quickly anything about it.
The armored choke is a high so you can neutral duck and punish that. But if he goes for EX Slash (where he starts slicing everywhere and walking forward) you can jump that and whiff punish after you land. It's basically just a game of "what armor and when" it's annoying tho for sure, I have played the matchup to death.
 

Saltea Moonspell

"I'm a zoner, with ma boner"
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The armored choke is a high so you can neutral duck and punish that. But if he goes for EX Slash (where he starts slicing everywhere and walking forward) you can jump that and whiff punish after you land. It's basically just a game of "what armor and when" it's annoying tho for sure, I have played the matchup to death.

I have to play Unstoppable Jamson beside me. This mu just makes want to drop the game. I feel really bad plying this psycho.
 

Saltea Moonspell

"I'm a zoner, with ma boner"
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He's definitely annoying and strong. Just have to play it patiently and look for your moment.
What is "your moment" when ? Like I know I have to wait when Lao spins, Jax dose dash punch, A list runs out of stamina or go for 114 (gap) and so on... what's my moment you talk about ?
 

CrazyFingers

Cyber Lin Kuei, Awaiting Shang Tsung
Moderator
What is "your moment" when ? Like I know I have to wait when Lao spins, Jax dose dash punch, A list runs out of stamina or go for 114 (gap) and so on... what's my moment you talk about ?
F42 (Low Overhead string) is punishable (Kung Lao's B1 should punish it clean) reading a choke on wakeup or as a counter poke and punishing that. Whiff punishing EX Slashes. Eventually when you punish Armor enough (by making it whiff) the opponent will most likely stop doing it so much so then it'll be your turn after their negative frames which should relieve some of the pressure you have to deal with.
 

Saltea Moonspell

"I'm a zoner, with ma boner"
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F42 (Low Overhead string) is punishable (Kung Lao's B1 should punish it clean) reading a choke on wakeup or as a counter poke and punishing that. Whiff punishing EX Slashes. Eventually when you punish Armor enough (by making it whiff) the opponent will most likely stop doing it so much so then it'll be your turn after their negative frames which should relieve some of the pressure you have to deal with.
Thanks !
 

Osagri

Fear the blade of Osh-Tekk
What is "your moment" when ? Like I know I have to wait when Lao spins, Jax dose dash punch, A list runs out of stamina or go for 114 (gap) and so on... what's my moment you talk about ?
Are u speaking of slasher or the other two? Rele tles and unstoppables b122 (the advancing mid) is -8 if i recall correctly. It's also easilylow profiled
 

Saltea Moonspell

"I'm a zoner, with ma boner"
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Are u speaking of slasher or the other two? Rele tles and unstoppables b122 (the advancing mid) is -8 if i recall correctly. It's also easilylow profiled
Holly Mother of Jesus! If that's correct, I should be able to punish it it 7f normal !!!
I speak about the other two.
 

Saltea Moonspell

"I'm a zoner, with ma boner"
Premium Supporter
Are u speaking of slasher or the other two? Rele tles and unstoppables b122 (the advancing mid) is -8 if i recall correctly. It's also easilylow profiled
I dont think though I can low profile that string with KL d4, but I will look into that punishers.
 

LaidbackOne

Scrubby nice guy
The armored choke is a high so you can neutral duck and punish that. But if he goes for EX Slash (where he starts slicing everywhere and walking forward) you can jump that and whiff punish after you land. It's basically just a game of "what armor and when" it's annoying tho for sure, I have played the matchup to death.
He is not talking about Slasher.
 

CrazyFingers

Cyber Lin Kuei, Awaiting Shang Tsung
Moderator
Pre patch Jason being called mid tier.

This thread disgusts me.
It is what it is. Pre patch Jason was good just no one talked about him but he wasn't top 5...he's top 5 now no question. He's come a LONG way from release.
 

The_Tile

Kaballbaggin'
It is what it is. Pre patch Jason was good just no one talked about him but he wasn't top 5...he's top 5 now no question. He's come a LONG way from release.
I dunno I think he was very close to top 5 before the patch too but ill refrain from commenting on it too much as I don't know the character/matchups.

Either way he was/is pretty dumb and definitely hasn't been mid tier or less for a long bloody time.