OutworldKeith
Warrior
Right, and then what? full screen spear/ TP mixup lol?after the KB he's literally going to cancel that into far teleport everytime and not even deal.
Right, and then what? full screen spear/ TP mixup lol?after the KB he's literally going to cancel that into far teleport everytime and not even deal.
For him the neutral is reset and he can approach as normal. He literally negates strike/throw doing this.Right, and then what? full screen spear/ TP mixup lol?
This is true but laming people out when you have the life lead is key in reborn. The fact that the 2nd hit of f34 knocks you far away on hit is more beneficial than people give it credit for.This is true. Once F34 KB is gone you can challenge f3 stagger with little risk.
F34 is one of the easier f/block gaps and he cant escape counterpokes if you block the second hit low.
Right, so what about situations where you don't have the life lead? Read my post above. I explained how his pressure was hurt do to TP nerf.This is true but laming people out when you have the life lead is key in reborn. The fact that the 2nd hit of f34 knocks you far away on hit is more beneficial than people give it credit for.
What does SR have that Reborn doesn't in this scenario?Right, so what about situations where you don't have the life lead? Read my post above. I explained how his pressure was hurt do to TP nerf.
Well DS isn't really a GTFO move. It controls space, and is primarily an anti-air/ whiff punisher. I also, understand that D1 xx DS is a thing lol. It works against counterpokes.For him the neutral is reset and he can approach as normal. He literally negates strike/throw doing this.
Even SR at close range can't really get people off him (on block of course). DS is pretty punishable at close distance, or even resets someone's stagger game. He actually is in pretty big danger when challenged in his face.
Not the place he wants to live.
Better offensive options and damage...What does SR have that Reborn doesn't in this scenario?
What do you mean? Reborn can teleport on reaction to all jumps as well.Well DS isn't really a GTFO move. It controls space, and is primarily an anti-air/ whiff punisher. I also, understand that D1 xx DS is a thing lol. It works against counterpokes.
You're right SR doesn't have the luxury of TPC away, but you can only approach SR grounded.
Are they better? F32 is punishable, f32 DS gives his turn back. f3 naked gives up his turn. b1 (string) gives up his turn. They all put him in the position he doesn't want... and that is playing counter attack.Better offensive options and damage...
Pretty sure i said except go out on the limb with "time to mix" tp cancels, its a reactionary tool rather than guess on either someone will respect it or not.This isn't entirely true. Free corner escape using Jump back xx TP doesn't work. You can poke him whether he cancels or not. If you're on point you can punish full combo. That was one of the best parts about Reborn, especially in MU's vs Jacqui, Sonya, etc.
It's dead now. No longer possible to escape the corner for free.Pretty sure i said except go out on the limb with "time to mix" tp cancels, its a reactionary tool rather than guess on either someone will respect it or not.
WHich is a good effin thing. Man was it stupid. I was on board. If the variation that has mobility midscreen gets conrnered, he should pay.It's dead now. No longer possible to escape the corner for free.
You have Kung Lao whose Dive Kick will beat TP anti-air. DS is much faster and easier way to deal with characters who can alter jumps.What do you mean? Reborn can teleport on reaction to all jumps as well.
YOu can't approach or retreat from Scorpion by jumping. He owns the air.
Are they better? F32 is punishable, f32 DS gives his turn back. f3 naked gives up his turn. b1 (string) gives up his turn. They all put him in the position he doesn't want... and that is playing counter attack.
i'll concede that if SR touches his opponent he'll get back more for sure. It is a chunky damage monkey.
Because probably most of the Reborn players used the tele cancel as a free pressure and get in and mix tool. Free throws, free walk back punish after TLC, free fuckup... Of course it was not free but most case on average level was.Agreed, I do not understand why people think the teleport change was that big of a deal. He is still completely fine unless you are just being insane with predictable teleports, in which case you would have still been losing pre patch.
In the corner Reborn has no advantage over SR now that TP can be neutral crouched. He can't TPC Away either.Because probably most of the Reborn players used the tele cancel as a free pressure and get in and mix tool. Free throws, free walk back punish after TLC, free fuckup... Of course it was not free but most case on average level was.
I do not think that D1 into Tele is the only thing why Reborn players are very disappointed.
I agree most of the oppinions above.
Reborn can not counter poke and pressure up close as much as Searing Rage (D1xxdeath spin, F32 threat, 21 2+4) but he can tele away in that situations "for free" even after a D1xx away tele so he does not even want to be up close.
Searing Rage is better up close can stagger a bit better - but he can not escape either so he needs to stay there.
Well I see the balance and the playstyle difference between the 2 variations very clearly! And might be very good combo in different match ups.
Yes I know. Better than nothing against 9-11F MID characters.In the corner Reborn has no advantage over SR now that TP can be neutral crouched. He can't TPC Away either.
TPC Away is only useful outside the corner.
I remember posting somewhere around here that with all the teleport complaints and anything they did to teleport would just hurt reborn specifically in the long run.Also the guy didn't challenge a single f3 with a poke.
What's Scorp gonna do? KB you once and then get 80 damage every time you do the full string?
Now you just gotta watch for teleport on his strings and mash out a d3 or d4 to beat everything he can do from the cancel.
On top of that if you're 9-11f mid character you don't even have to respect Reborn's d1 anymore since cancelling into hellport from that does you nothing except eating a combo or poke.
At least SR can get people off his face with d1 xx df4 and can mix you with f3 into throw/d3/f34 or f32.
I don't want to play Reborn anymore because it's trash and I wish they had just put another variation in instead of soft deleting the variation.
Also I don't get what the fuck is up with that d4 nerf. Fuck that Pablo guy, he's mentally challenged.
He was fine before the patch. Didn't win any tournaments except for some online shit, was hardly ever seen in top 8 except for when Scar's Sonya got stuffed by FoxyGrandpa's Cassie and even there it was more like Foxy losing it than Scorpion winning it, just watch the last seconds of match three that was some buttfumble moment.I remember posting somewhere around here that with all the teleport complaints and anything they did to teleport would just hurt reborn specifically in the long run.
at this point I'm just convinced nrs doesn't know how to balance properly and just takes easy way out balancesHe was fine before the patch. Didn't win any tournaments except for some online shit, was hardly ever seen in top 8 except for when Scar's Sonya got stuffed by FoxyGrandpa's Cassie and even there it was more like Foxy losing it than Scorpion winning it, just watch the last seconds of match three that was some buttfumble moment.
I'm very disappointed in NRS kneejerk nerfing a character and not giving him anything to compensate. I get all these scrubs crying about teleport, forcing their hand or whatever, but what the fuck why not make him better at neutral then if they don't want him to have neutral bypassing tools?
Instead they nerf his neutral by fucking with his d4?
Man whatever I'll keep collecting scrub tears online, it's just shit knowing you're playing a character that could never win a tournament unless the participants are your family.
Just fucking ass that a good character gets nerfed just because a lot of people play him. I tell you if every second guy online would play Baraka he'd have gotten the nerfstick too for no reason.
I think tele cancel mixup and after TLC more mixup (walk back punish, D3, D1, S1, throw) in general was a big f*ck up.He was fine before the patch. Didn't win any tournaments except for some online shit, was hardly ever seen in top 8 except for when Scar's Sonya got stuffed by FoxyGrandpa's Cassie and even there it was more like Foxy losing it than Scorpion winning it, just watch the last seconds of match three that was some buttfumble moment.
I'm very disappointed in NRS kneejerk nerfing a character and not giving him anything to compensate. I get all these scrubs crying about teleport, forcing their hand or whatever, but what the fuck why not make him better at neutral then if they don't want him to have neutral bypassing tools?
Instead they nerf his neutral by fucking with his d4?
Man whatever I'll keep collecting scrub tears online, it's just shit knowing you're playing a character that could never win a tournament unless the participants are your family.
Just fucking ass that a good character gets nerfed just because a lot of people play him. I tell you if every second guy online would play Baraka he'd have gotten the nerfstick too for no reason.
That should not be that way you say. Duck should not be faster than block at all.The TP being a high does hurt his whiff punishing/projectile countering a bit. At least it seems that way to me when I'm playing I can't counter as easily as before. If timing isn't perfect they will just neutral duck on reaction and get a free punish. At least before they had to BLOCK during recovery. Maybe it's just me but sometimes it feels like just HOLDING down even if you haven't fully recovered yet is enough for the game to consider you to be neutral crouched even if there is no way you are yet. Anyone else having this issue or just me, lol.
Doesn't matter. He only has 1 string you have to respect his cancel from, which is B14 xx TPC close.Can you still cancel teleports in Reborn? If so, then no, searing rage still isn't better. Take it from somebody who hates your character. Just use reborn.