Question - Necromancer Is Necro Shinnok A Zoner?

[RM_NINfan101]

He's weird. I began to end combos with df4 so I could get the hkd and bait shit but he's pretty much a zoner with some weird offensive capabilities. Though... I mean what he gets in this variation is still...

All of his variations are lackluster. Sue me. He may be a viable midtier with Impostor/BS but it's like they were caught in a crisis:

NRS Guy: Uh let's see... He used to be able to steal moves and become other characters like Shang Tsung, we can do something with that... He also used this Bone Scythe thing as a weapon, we can use that... But what about his skeletal hands from Armageddon?

NRS Guy 2: Good question... Make them used as like a zoning/spacing variation?

 

[Hitoshura]

I play both Online and Offline. And i do think its a decent zoning tool

As soon as one sees the flick start up they can start to run. When the move is ready to connect the opponent has already successfully dodged the move because they're smart. I guess it works for you because the people don't know how to handle flick. Doesn't make it solid.

 

[RM_NINfan101]

As soon as one sees the flick start up they can start to run. When the move is ready to connect the opponent has already successfully dodged the move because they're smart. I guess it works for you because the people don't know how to handle flick. Doesn't make it solid.

When used as a meaty Flick isn't terrible, but it sure as hell works way better online than offline.

 

[Hitoshura]

When used as a meaty Flick isn't terrible, but it sure as hell works way better online than offline.

You can use flick as an oki tool. That's about it.

 

[KeyserSoze]

I do lol


Yes?

 

[Youphemism]

Yes he is a zoner, I explained this before. But his zoning tools are not effective since they can be FULL COMBO PUNISHED FROM FULL SCREEN I just want the tracking to be fixed then I'll play Necromancer more like I wanted to from the start.

Shinnok zoning explanation in short:
Hell Sparks beat running/jumping
Db1 beats running/jumping
Flick pushes them back to start back up what I said above.

Jumping actually sometimes beats it if you time it right.
DB1 only stops you running if you put it in the right place.
Flick pushes them back if they don't run past it and full combo punish you from full screen -___________-

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[imblackjames]

Yes he is a zoner, I explained this before. But his zoning tools are not effective since they can be FULL COMBO PUNISHED FROM FULL SCREEN I just want the tracking to be fixed then I'll play Necromancer more like I wanted to from the start.

Jumping actually sometimes beats it if you time it right.
DB1 only stops you running if you put it in the right place.
Flick pushes them back if they don't run past it and full combo punish you from full screen -___________-

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Ive never had anyone run and full combo punish me on reaction to the flick Online or offline. I get what you mean but is that really that bad? I mean like i said ive played plenty of people who didn't do it on reaction. They knew i was gonna do it and started to run first.

 

[Youphemism]

Ive never had anyone run and full combo punish me on reaction to the flick Online or offline. I get what you mean but is that really that bad? I mean like i said ive played plenty of people who didn't do it on reaction. They knew i was gonna do it and started to run first.

Then they're not playing the matchup right. It took my training partner 5 minutes to learn to run on reaction to it and full combo punish me FROM FULL SCREEN every time. It was saddening It really is that bad I'm afraid and I really don't want it to be so...

 

[imblackjames]

Then they're not playing the matchup right. It took my training partner 5 minutes to learn to run on reaction to it and full combo punish me FROM FULL SCREEN every time. It was saddening It really is that bad I'm afraid and I really don't want it to be so...

Ive been playing with a bunch people and none of them do it. Idk i still dint think its as bas as u say it us. Maybr when it happens to me ill change my tune but until then im saying its good enough

 

[RM_NINfan101]

@Youphemism is correct, you definitely can run and punish from full screen. That's where theoretically the db1 comes into play and you move it forward, but... You have to condition them to run right after flick. I've had db1 go to the left and catch sliding or running opponents, or jumpers.

That however still is not reliable.

EDIT: Not right after, that's impossible. I meant to say make them guess if you will do a meaty flick, they try to read you will and THEN run at you and then you can do the db1 or bf1.

 

[Vilén]

Necromancer Shinnok is a byproduct of NRS straight up not realizing how good their own run mechanic is.

 

[Youphemism]

Ive been playing with a bunch people and none of them do it. Idk i still dint think its as bas as u say it us. Maybr when it happens to me ill change my tune but until then im saying its good enough

Well then as I said they're not playing the matchup right I mean you can test it for yourself and tell other people to do it so you can see yourself but I don't blame you for not believing me at first because it sounds really shitty but that's just Necro right now lol

 

[Kinetic Balding1]

I'm pretty sure that flick can't be ran on reaction.

 

[RM_NINfan101]

I'm pretty sure that flick can't be ran on reaction.

It is easily able to do so because the hitbox on flick is not large. People can literally wakeup run and get past it. This has been known since release.

EDIT: It also tracks poorly.

 

[Kinetic Balding1]

It is easily able to do so because the hitbox on flick is not large. People can literally wakeup run and get past it. This has been known since release.

Poor jason can't even run through it.

 

[RM_NINfan101]

Poor jason can't even run through it.

Jason is slow, that's why. I think he has one of the slowest runs.

 

[Kinetic Balding1]

It is easily able to do so because the hitbox on flick is not large. People can literally wakeup run and get past it. This has been known since release.

I tried this in practice. Everytime I tried running on reaction, I would be 3 frames in the run startup and be behind the fingers of the flick and still get hit.

 

[Kinetic Balding1]

Yes he is a zoner, I explained this before. But his zoning tools are not effective since they can be FULL COMBO PUNISHED FROM FULL SCREEN I just want the tracking to be fixed then I'll play Necromancer more like I wanted to from the start.

Jumping actually sometimes beats it if you time it right.
DB1 only stops you running if you put it in the right place.
Flick pushes them back if they don't run past it and full combo punish you from full screen -___________-

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#FixTheTracking #NRSPls #MakeShinnokViableKappa

They still have to guess which version of db1 I'm going to do.

 

[KeyserSoze]

Jason is slow, that's why. I think he has one of the slowest runs.

To my knowledge, he has the single slowest run (and it seems incredibly slow on startup) in the game.

 

[RM_NINfan101]

To my knowledge, he has the single slowest run (and it seems incredibly slow on startup) in the game.

Yeah that would explain it. Poor Jason man, he really didn't get the Freddy hookup.

 

[SaltShaker]

Necromancer Shinnok is a joke to everyone who thought they were getting a viable zoning character during the Kombat Kast reveal.

 

[RM_NINfan101]

Necromancer Shinnok is a joke to everyone who thought they were getting a viable zoning character during the Kombat Kast reveal.

Shinnok was a joke the minute you unlocked him and clearly wasn't finished. Hence why he was patched so quick.

 

[xInfra Deadx]

That variation sucks balls in its current state.

 

[True Grave]

He is actually bad/anti zoner with necromancer. He can try to zone, but the reality is that he needs to wait for you to zone. An example of this is when fighting Full Auto Jacqui.

Once she starts her zoning, you just have to wait and flick. If you try to take the offensive and zone her more, she will win. Whereas fighting Grandmaster Sub you'll want to zone more than wait for him.

 

[KeyserSoze]

Yeah that would explain it. Poor Jason man, he really didn't get the Freddy hookup.

I think his Slasher variation is solid (some of the best meter-less damage in the game, one of the best projectiles in the game, one of the best air normals in the game, one of the best neutral jump punches, great d2, great range on normals), but I really think Relentless and Unstoppable (Unstoppable in particular) could use some help.