Question - Erron Black Is Erron too strong?

[Groove Heaven]

Yet sonic fox, Reo, and other REAL top players will still whoop everyone's ass with him. Sounds like it has more to do with the player's then the character. No matter what they do to any character, wither its erron black, or any other character. Wither they nerf them to hell, or buff them to a god, will not change how much most of you will still suck with him. He can be buffed to unstopable god tier, and still will be stopped if picked up by most of you whine babies on this, and every other crybaby forum.

"Top players are better than the average TYM user" ok cool Erron will still be low tier if the beta changes stick. We're just having a discussion, no need to flip a shit my dude.

 

[Thanilla Ice]

He complains about Erron when characters like Jax and Cassie has everything he has and more?

 

[omooba]

He complains about Erron when characters like Jax and Cassie has everything he has and more?

lol no they don't
imo all erron needs is
-to get back all the tick throws he had(don't even think he needed the frames on sand trap speed up but wtv)
-for 211 to be 0 to -5 on block
this way he get's played the way he was meant which was fine and he can now bait people option selecting his tick throws.

does anyone else think it was a huge slap to the face when they buffed outlaw by making ex sand -1

 

[TQT1995]

This thread makes me cringe

 

[YoloRoll1stHit]

I'm curious, what makes Gunslinger better than Outlaw as most people consider? Can someone please explain? I don't play Erron Black, just asking.

 

[DownfouralitY]

I'm curious, what makes Gunslinger better than Outlaw as most people consider? Can someone please explain? I don't play Erron Black, just asking.

Better chip, better AA, better zoning, just overall has more options than the other two. His other two variations aren't bad by any means, they're all very close, but I think Gunslinger is slightly better.

 

[Thanilla Ice]

lol no they don't

actually they do everything Erron does but better
Safer 50/50 options
Higher Chip Dmg
Jax's 11 pressure is better than EB's 21122 pressure (at least now it is)
Safer Launchers
Better zoning
Better Armored attacks
Tick Throws
Jax has the exact same NJP variationless EB has
Armor breaking strings
Like I said they have everything Erron has but better

 

[YoloRoll1stHit]

actually they do everything Erron does but better
Safer 50/50 options
Higher Chip Dmg
Jax's 11 pressure is better than EB's 21122 pressure (at least now it is)
Safer Launchers
Better zoning
Better Armored attacks
Tick Throws
Jax has the exact same NJP variationless EB has
Armor breaking strings
Like I said they have everything Erron has but better

You could just write one word to sum up everything: MID

 

[Thanilla Ice]

You could just write one word to sum up everything: MID

oh yeah how could i forget that lol

 

[omooba]

actually they do everything Erron does but better
Safer 50/50 options
Higher Chip Dmg
Jax's 11 pressure is better than EB's 21122 pressure (at least now it is)
Safer Launchers
Better zoning
Better Armored attacks
Tick Throws
Jax has the exact same NJP variationless EB has
Armor breaking strings
Like I said they have everything Erron has but better

don't have higher chip. especially after they nerfed cassie's b2 string
and what safe launcher does jax have?
no they don't have better zoning than marksman
agree on 21122
you do realize that all erron's variations can spend a bar on 50/50 to make it plus. jax and cassie can't so he already does something better
i think jax and cassie are better characters then erron but like i said erron doesn't need much to be very good

 

[Thanilla Ice]

don't have higher chip. especially after they nerfed cassie's b2 string
and what safe launcher does jax have?
no they don't have better zoning than marksman
agree on 21122
you do realize that all erron's variations can spend a bar on 50/50 to make it plus. jax and cassie can't so he already does something better
i think jax and cassie are better characters then erron but like i said erron doesn't need much to be very good

They nerfed his ex sg so its not really plus anymore and f13/b33 canceled into ex sg WAS NEVER a true block string, and I never said they had safe launchers, I said they have safER launchers, Marksman zoning sucks what u talkin bout willis, and dont u tell me 21122 into low shots is better than all the chip dmg cassie has because that was never a true block string...

 

[omooba]

They nerfed his ex sg so its not really plus anymore and f13/b33 canceled into ex sg WAS NEVER a true block string, and I never said they had safe launchers, I said they have safER launchers, Marksman zoning sucks what u talkin bout willis, and dont u tell me 21122 into low shots is better than all the chip dmg cassie has because that was never a true block string...

what chip dmg with cassie are we talking about cus you just sade marksman's has a gap which cassie's has too and costs a bar. and dude marksman is a spacing god. you might not play the character or fight against him so you may not know but just watch esl grand finals. his spacing is disgusting
edit:gunslinger not marksman

 

[DownfouralitY]

what chip dmg with cassie are we talking about cus you just sade marksman's has a gap which cassie's has too and costs a bar. and dude marksman is a spacing god. you might not play the character or fight against him so you may not know but just watch esl grand finals. his spacing is disgusting

That's Gunslinger, not marksman dude lol

 

[9_Lives]

There was already a lot of tech against him including option select armoring all of his options off of 21122. But I think NRS saw his EX-Sand Grenade break Tremor's armor one too many times and thought it was still too strong yet. Which is a real bummer because they could've just sped up the start time of his ex punch and made it less safe to prevent from pushing it over the limit. They really went after anyone with super good meter burn this time around, and Erron has never gotten any mercy thanks to SonicFox lol.

 

[Misky]

Yes, and it promotes that scrubby philosophy every new member is bringing with them to the site. First thing they do when they join here is make a thread or profile post about the game's balance.

I've been here a while, I don't think he's op but I was just asking for some input on the debate.

 

[Thanilla Ice]

what chip dmg with cassie are we talking about cus you just sade marksman's has a gap which cassie's has too and costs a bar. and dude marksman is a spacing god. you might not play the character or fight against him so you may not know but just watch esl grand finals. his spacing is disgusting

Gunslinger you mean? I've mained Erron since day 1, I think I would know my character better than you do. SonicFox only picked Gunslinger because thats a direct counterpick to Sonya (which i've been saying since the gunslinger buff), Erron's footsie tools aren't nearly anything special compared with the rest of the cast, you can literally just poke with anyone's d4 everytime u see Erron run up for a combo.

 

[Misky]

A girl mains Erron and her boyfriend says that he is broken.I need to see this.

sorry to disappoint but we're both dudes.

 

[Thanilla Ice]

Sorr

sorry to disappoint but we're both dudes.

Support dat equality with a fatality ;D

 

[omooba]

Gunslinger you mean? I've mained Erron since day 1, I think I would know my character better than you do. SonicFox only picked Gunslinger because thats a direct counterpick to Sonya (which i've been saying since the gunslinger buff), Erron's footsie tools aren't nearly anything special compared with the rest of the cast, you can literally just poke with anyone's d4 everytime u see Erron run up for a combo.

really think you're downplaying here especially with the "just d4 if he runs in" but that's just me. i don't main erron so i won't argue too much but i've been told he's my best character.
and if you're getting d4'd like that i think your spacing needs work not the character.

 

[xxFalcon Loverxx]

Key word was (WILL) win with him. Even if they keep the game in its current state, sonicfox and other top players will still go ham with him as time goes on, while you and others will continue to want buffs, while still getting your asses kicked. Remember before when erron got so called nerfed bad the first time? People like you was saying the samething if not worse, then sonicfox ended up winning esl season two with him. And he beat perfect legend with him on top of that. And hell yea i am bad, infact i might be the worst player here when it comes to this game. But i am also not on this forum crying and complaining about my character, asking for buffs that will not do nothing but still get you owned. Buffs to do help you stop getting your ass kicked, actually knowing how to play the game/character stops that. http://data:image/webp;base64,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

Except for the fact that, Erron players never asked for buffs...Nor did i.Infact I've never ever suggested any buffs for my mains either, mind my language but, you're pulling shit out your ass m8.No one is asking for buffs, sorry to blow your mind.A fucking mindblowing news flash here.Infact i consider my mains top 2 and 3, once again.I never asked for buffs.

 

[omooba]

Except for the fact that, Erron players never asked for buffs...Nor did i.Infact I've never ever suggested any buffs for my mains either, mind my language but, you're pulling shit out your ass m8.No one is asking for buffs, sorry to blow your mind.A fucking mindblowing news flash here.Infact i consider my mains top 2 and 3, once again.I never asked for buffs.

i think he needs buffs well actually buff> 211 needs to be safe assuming he still has the tick throws but if the beta's permanent well fuck

 

[xxFalcon Loverxx]

i think he needs buffs well actually buff> 211 needs to be safe assuming he still has the tick throws but if the beta's permanent well fuck

Right now, I'd say he needs +7 with no pushback ex SG back tbh, he needs nothing else imo.If it's permanent then....

Well...
SHHHHEEEIITTTT.
He was completely fine, why NERF him?
Edit: I'd be fine with it if they nerfed my main hard since they'll still be pretty good, I'm not worried about Liu, I'm worried about Tremor, but I'm sure the community has cried enough about Tremor to NERF him.Oh well...
NotLikeThis

 

[BigMilk]

@Misky don't know if you are new here but just ignore the hateful responses. People forget that majority are causal gamers. However, if your boyfriend wants to get better he should look for ways to get around what he has a hard time dealing with. He can come to this site and ask the community how to deal with things that he can't figure out on his own, as well as learn even more to make it harder for you.

 

[BigMilk]

sorry to disappoint but we're both dudes.

@PrimBloodGhost still considering that trade lol

 

[FL Rushdown]

No.