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Injustice WatchTower Stream Recap: Info Inside including Beta codes and character incoming

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Deleted member 5032

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I can't remember ever watching an NRS stream and feeling like it was worth the time. From now on I think I'll just catch them on Youtube so I can skip the hour of scrubby play and awkward banter and get right to the 2 minutes of actual content.
 

CrimsonShadow

Administrator and Community Engineer
Administrator
Example of having to respect a jump in would be Batman/Atrocitus trait into jump in.
For batman this depends on how many bats he has, the timing of when they were released, and where he jumped from. There are actually a lot of situations where you don't have to respect the followup and can happily d2 interrupt him to your heart's content :)

Atrocitus' trait is heavily + on block, so that's a different story.
 

EMPEROR_KNICKS

Master of Kombat(frauds)
https://twitter.com/noobde/status/829457335663763457

This is the type of stuff that annoys me. I wish they would stop trying to hype up the smallest piece of news they have. We aren't about the get plowed by a literal wave of content. If Wave 4 is anything like past waves, it will be like a small drop of rain.

They need to stop setting our exceptions up to unrealistic levels.
The worst part is they almost never come to the site and rarely adress our concerns, and if they do its brief and condescending. It would be better and quell all the anger if they just came on tym or twitter and apologize, but they never do. They rarely talk to the fans about serious concerns on any platform, and never communicate. Tyler rarely talks to us, and i feel like he does nothing. Im pretty sure his actual job is telling Ed boon who can eat more chimichangas in 5 minutes him or 16 bit.
 

Cashual

PSN: Cansuela
Pretty hard to defend nrs right now. For a company that is so active on social media, and attempts to engage the community, well they just seem to be really bad at it.

I really want to ask them why they think people watch these streams. I am not going out on a limb to suggest that your average poster here on tym would mop Tyler and derrick. So, no one tuned in to see high level gameplay. Not to mention, anyone interested purely in the gameplay can watch any of the dozen or so top players stream for hours on end.

They sort of teased this idea that the purpose of the stream this time was for 16 bit to talk meta, and to help more casual players to level up and get more familiar with the lingo of the game. Had they truly seen that through, I think that would've been really cool. However, it just wasn't very good, and appeared to be just completely shoehorned. Did anyone else get the sense that that whole concept of 16bit helping the casuals level up was something they came up with in a meeting last minute when they were at a loss for what the stream would actually be about this week? Just pure execution of an idea that could've been really cool, and just reeked of desperation.

People watch these streams to garner info about the game, see character reveals and see how their mechanics work within the game. This stream didn't accomplish any of that.

They honestly should have just not done a stream this week, and waited until next week when they were prepared to actually divulge some information that people are craving.

The formula of "answering" community questions on stream with essentially the same answer each time (we can't talk about that right now, but there's some really cool news regarding that topic just around the corner) is just a fucking joke. How about this. Don't address questions you aren't prepared to answer.

I do appreciate the truthfulness regarding the nature of the beta and the scarcity of codes. That was the first time they came out and said the beta would remain closed and that not everyone would receive a code. Had they said as much day one, there would be a lot less ire and disappointment.

All they need to do with these streams is this: reveal a trailer for a yet to be announced character. Do a character breakdown and gameplay demo of a previously revealed character for a majority of the stream, announce that that character will be playable in the next update, reveal a stage and show off the transitions and interactables and announce it'll be playable next update, and finally announce that the next wave of codes will be sent immediately following the stream including a rough estimate of how many new codes will be sent, and finally, do a fun match between derick and Tyler for the belt.

They could alternate that style of stream with other concepts like 16bit helping casuals or picking a certain element of the game mechanics or fighting game fundamentals and diving into that. They say they care about growing the community, well paying a top player to help grow the casual audience into the next gen of serious players would be worthwhile.

Whatever, I could go on, and I know nrs has a lot on their plate and priorities above and beyond these streams and community interaction in general, but it's 2017, and these things are damn important. If you're going to employ people to manage community relations, run twitter handles, run giveaways, manage press releases and streams, we'll hold those folks accountable and do it all the way.

If you read this whole thing, you care about this as much as i do.
 

Skylight1

Warrior
My favorite line of the stream: "People may say "I'm tired of Watchtowers..." Hopefully, they don't"
5-15 seconds later...

Stream: I'm tired of watchtower due to the fact they promise us all of this information only to be jilted out of it when it actually happens.

Essentially, I hate these Watchtowers/Live streams because they NEVER address the issues nor the concerns of the player fanbase (those who did receive the beta code be lucky as you're apart of the "clique"). Those of us who didn't and had the nerve to watch these paid employees play it should think real long and hard before you invest more money into this company. If they can't even keep their word/promises about a simple stream and what's going to be on it, what the hell would make you think they're going to address any crucial issues when the game is officially out and they have to do a "quick nerf/buff" on the first day or during the first week?
 

Skylight1

Warrior
If you read this whole thing, you care about this as much as I do.[/QUOTE]

Nice post and it pretty much explained everything.
 

Monox1de

Mortal
My favorite line of the stream: "People may say "I'm tired of Watchtowers..." Hopefully, they don't"
5-15 seconds later...

Stream: I'm tired of watchtower due to the fact they promise us all of this information only to be jilted out of it when it actually happens.

Essentially, I hate these Watchtowers/Live streams because they NEVER address the issues nor the concerns of the player fanbase (those who did receive the beta code be lucky as you're apart of the "clique"). Those of us who didn't and had the nerve to watch these paid employees play it should think real long and hard before you invest more money into this company. If they can't even keep their word/promises about a simple stream and what's going to be on it, what the hell would make you think they're going to address any crucial issues when the game is officially out and they have to do a "quick nerf/buff" on the first day or during the first week?
You already pre-ordered didn't you? You are not boycotting NRS. I've been swindled once this week i won't be swindled again sir!! Nice try though. Cya at launch buddy :)
 

Skylight1

Warrior
You already pre-ordered didn't you? You are not boycotting NRS. I've been swindled once this week i won't be swindled again sir!! Nice try though. Cya at launch buddy :)
No. I didn't pre-order anything and don't plan on pre-ordering. Plus, do i know you or something...?
 

KingHippo

Alternative-Fact Checker
The worst part is they almost never come to the site and rarely adress our concerns, and if they do its brief and condescending. It would be better and quell all the anger if they just came on tym or twitter and apologize, but they never do. They rarely talk to the fans about serious concerns on any platform, and never communicate. Tyler rarely talks to us, and i feel like he does nothing. Im pretty sure his actual job is telling Ed boon who can eat more chimichangas in 5 minutes him or 16 bit.
There are 90 people on TYM at a given time, why on Earth would they make it a priority? This is a AAA company that sells 5 million copies of their games, and there are way more people on Twitter and Reddit that they need to reach. You are not the catered to majority, you are the loud minority. Get used to it.
 

WATCHD0G

Kombatant
I mean, it wasn't even Gorilla Grodd being added to the Beta, so even more bad news if you ask me.
Right!? don't get me wrong I'm one of the few who is hyped for canary...but really they should have put in grodd or aqua at this point
 

Zionix

AKA Ponkster
There are 90 people on TYM at a given time, why on Earth would they make it a priority? This is a AAA company that sells 5 million copies of their games, and there are way more people on Twitter and Reddit that they need to reach. You are not the catered to majority, you are the loud minority. Get used to it.
So why do they do watchtower streams for <1% of their fan base?

Those three actually seemed uncomfortable/embarrassed to be doing that stream. The chat was aids, they said cringe statements that left a foul taste in most peoples mouths. It was clearly a last minute thing to cover the fact they fucked up the character reveal timing; pretended that this stream was planned all along and just threw those three under a bus.

"Here is 16bit to show you how to improve on the beta" The 5% of players in chat appreciate that! I'm super hyped to watch Reo play black canary on his stream for another few weeks or have players like brady who got personally handed a code to not even play "until their main is in".

Not everyone will get a code, I've missed out on many betas over the years, being from the UK I won't get a code because its NA. I accepted that the moment I read the FAQ. What irks me is instead of getting gameplay or character reveals/breakdowns we are getting the beta shoved down our throats, that p*sses me off
 

EMPEROR_KNICKS

Master of Kombat(frauds)
There are 90 people on TYM at a given time, why on Earth would they make it a priority? This is a AAA company that sells 5 million copies of their games, and there are way more people on Twitter and Reddit that they need to reach. You are not the catered to majority, you are the loud minority. Get used to it.
Im not saying they need to, all the time 24/7 comment, but maybe once a week? once a month? just to clarify issues plus they arent even that vocal on twitter, or reddit about concerns at all, and on reddit they also rarely talk to the community. Plus tym is where most of the high level player base lies, and these are the people that make there tournament scene. The fact that they barely notice is annoying, but they never communicate with us like ever, ed trolls almost all the time, then like once a week tweets some actual info that is ambiguous as fuck. Fine dont cater to us but the fact that they dont talk to any community about any concerns like at all is disgusting.
 

Zionix

AKA Ponkster
Im not saying they need to, all the time 24/7 comment, but maybe once a week? once a month? just to clarify issues plus they arent even that vocal on twitter, or reddit about concerns at all, and on reddit they also rarely talk to the community. Plus tym is where most of the high level player base lies, and these are the people that make there tournament scene. The fact that they barely notice is annoying, but they never communicate with us like ever, ed trolls almost all the time, then like once a week tweets some actual info that is ambiguous as fuck. Fine dont cater to us but the fact that they dont talk to any community about any concerns like at all is disgusting.
Our concerns aren't their concerns.

We have asked about region lock between 20 different people on twitter. It will not get addressed.

Have a question for their art team about shaders? Hell yes! here's an ambiguous answer.
 

just_2swift

MK1 is the best MK period.
Talk about a snooze fest. I literally got banned for saying "shots fired" after 16tits said he beat our favorite greaser Mike 3 to 1.

Best sleep I had in weeks.
 

Monox1de

Mortal
No. I didn't pre-order anything and don't plan on pre-ordering. Plus, do i know you or something...?
No but you will know me when i'm famous. Be honest though, Do you think anyone will will take any amount of time to think about the money they are investing in NRS? I don't believe it matters what so ever what they do/say as long as they have kickass products like injustice MKX etc....Look at MKX pc launch. I play on pc. They royally fucked PC gamers 3 separate ways for a year straight, then let us play a version of the game that was out dated horribly for another year. The whole MKX for pc situation involved like 4 or 5 blatant lies and countless dipping and dodging from NRS. The whole situation was pretty shady. I'm still here throwing money at them without giving it any thought, and i believe you will be too.
Honestly i was just poking fun at you because we're in the same boat without beta keys. The part where u mentioned not having a beta key leads me to believe if you had one none of this stream/community shenanigans would matter as much to you at all. We both have so much time to waste dreaming of inj2 that we end up bitching or stirring shit up on forums to waste more time. <3 :)
 

Gooberking

FGC Cannon Fodder
I do appreciate the truthfulness regarding the nature of the beta and the scarcity of codes. That was the first time they came out and said the beta would remain closed and that not everyone would receive a code. Had they said as much day one, there would be a lot less ire and disappointment.
I'm thinking you are underestimating peoples' capacity to think a million to one odds is some sort of guarantee. The idea that it was a closed beta and that it wasn't something everyone was going to get in on was pretty well established from the get go as far as I was interpreting things. If all of the "wave" talk made it sound like massive numbers of codes were going out then maybe that is a point to be made, but even then you really need to be able to compare the "waves" with the ocean.

The feeling of scarcity is directly related to how many people actually signed up vs got codes. I don't think we know that number do we? (especially with all the multi email people) We do have some idea that the "waves" were something like 2000-3000 and if people still feel like they cant get codes then we may be talking about a lot of people signing up. They probably had some internal target of 10,000 or whatever and that was all there ever was going to be, even if a million people signed up. Something that would leave a lot of unhappy people out there who actually got what they were promised - nothing.

I guess my point is people are upset more because they aren't getting what they want than because they were lead to believe they would be getting something. Self entitlement vs broken promises.
 

Monox1de

Mortal
Our concerns aren't their concerns.

We have asked about region lock between 20 different people on twitter. It will not get addressed.

Have a question for their art team about shaders? Hell yes! here's an ambiguous answer.
Ignoring questions is NRS's go to maneuver. If they don't know the answer, or if they think the answer will cause public outcry, they will just leave it unasked. Which is a dick move but might ultimately be smart on their end.
They don't want to have Ed Boon say "oh yeah the PC version of MKX will be awesome and just as good as the console versions." and have it be completely false.
 

KingHippo

Alternative-Fact Checker
So why do they do watchtower streams for <1% of their fan base?
No, they do them for the thousands of people who tune in who are casual and just want to see people play it. To quote the great Kevin Nash, "Man, not everything is about you!"

The other problem is people often ignore what is said 99% of the time. From the start it was made mention that this was a closed beta with not everyone receiving a code, yet that ballooned to this whole thing where the 90 people on TYM now feel personally slighted that they didn't get one. It's silly; there is a whole playerbase that signed up for this thing too.

Fine dont cater to us but the fact that they dont talk to any community about any concerns like at all is disgusting.
If the concerns are about high level play, then yeah, of course they wouldn't care, the game isn't even out. There is no "high level play."
 

Zionix

AKA Ponkster
No, they do them for the thousands of people who tune in who are casual and just want to see people play it. To quote the great Kevin Nash, "Man, not everything is about you!"

The other problem is people often ignore what is said 99% of the time. From the start it was made mention that this was a closed beta with not everyone receiving a code, yet that ballooned to this whole thing where the 90 people on TYM now feel personally slighted that they didn't get one. It's silly; there is a whole playerbase that signed up for this thing too.



If the concerns are about high level play, then yeah, of course they wouldn't care, the game isn't even out. There is no "high level play."
You miss my point completely. No big deal to not be in the beta, I'm sure there are alot of adults around that aren't too fussed. Whats irritating is having it paraded in front of you on streams and social media. Kicking people when they're down to be honest. I tuned in for a character breakdown/reveal and got beta, leaves me royally pissed off.