Injustice: Gods Among Us Prequel Comic #11 is out!

[REDRUM]

The Kraken really has Shazam that shook up? Dammmmmm

Aquaman earned like 100 heterosexual points today... He ain't feeeyukin around..

Aquaman welcome to team Redrum (Raven, Flash and Aquaman so far)

 

[Cray]

Holy shit, best number so far! (possibly with the exception of HQ/GA-quiver pun).
Aquaman just became such a boss. The way he insta-revenged on WW was amazing.
LOVE IT, ALL ABOARD THE HYPE TRAIN

 

[Killzone]

Who is the fan-favorite hero who makes an appearance?

 

[Cray]

Who is the fan-favorite hero who makes an appearance?

Both Dick (Nightwing) and Damian (Robin) are visible on one page,
but it's more likely he refers to the kraken

 

[Compbros]

Who is the fan-favorite hero who makes an appearance?

What, you didn't see him?

Spoiler

It was clearly the whale.

Seriously, it was probably Alfred.

 

[hellbly]

What, you didn't see him?

Spoiler

It was clearly the whale.

Seriously, it was probably Alfred.

think so... the whale was in issue 10 too

 

[The Borax Kid]

I'm sorry fans of Injustice Elseworld's Wife-Killing Grimdark Supercrazyman, but Batman should have taken out Superman by now what with him being a raving lunatic who has betrayed his hero mantle.

The Justice League is supposed to be the check against any member going rogue, but Batman should have realized issues ago that it was ultimately up to him to save Supes from himself and others by containing him.

Kryptonite + Red Sunlight Jail Cell, maybe the Phantom Zone if no prison can hold him. Probably have to take out Wonder Woman too now that she's Superman's henchwoman, but Bats can be absolutely brutal on people in the DCU who he knows can take the punishment.

 

[Compbros]

I'm sorry fans of Injustice Elseworld's Wife-Killing Grimdark Supercrazyman, but Batman should have taken out Superman by now what with him being a raving lunatic who has betrayed his hero mantle.

The Justice League is supposed to be the check against any member going rogue, but Batman should have realized issues ago that it was ultimately up to him to save Supes from himself and others by containing him.

Kryptonite + Red Sunlight Jail Cell, maybe the Phantom Zone if no prison can hold him. Probably have to take out Wonder Woman too now that she's Superman's henchwoman, but Bats can be brutal on people who he knows can take the punishment.

Raving lunatic? He's a very sad and lonely man who feels that his best friend has allowed this tragedy by not doing more against the Joker. He also feels hurt and betrayed that Bruce would not help him look for his kidnapped parents. Betray the hero mantle? How? By killing a monster? Ollie has killed, Diana has killed, heroes kill sometimes but he's not slaughtering innocent people.....In fact he literally just stopped a nation bombing their practically defenseless neighbors, again, how did he betray it?


How has he gone Rogue? By forcing nations not to bomb one another? Right now he's just stopping horrific acts by people waging war on each other. At this point Bruce could've easily been thinking that talking to Clark would help, even though it didn't.


Batman cannot take out Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Shazam and Hawkgirl alone. Hell, I don't think he can take out WW or Shazam period.

 

[Killzone]

What, you didn't see him?

Didn't get a chance to read it yet.
Thanks

 

[The Borax Kid]

Raving lunatic? He's a very sad and lonely man who feels that his best friend has allowed this tragedy by not doing more again the Joker. He also feels hurt and betrayed that Bruce would not help him look for his kidnapped parents.

Supes is having a temper tantrum about events outside Batman's control but doesn't seem to realize that he caused the kidnapping of his own parents by revealing his identity to everyone on earth.

Betray the hero mantle? How? By killing a monster? Ollie has killed, Diana has killed, heroes kill sometime but he's not slaughtering innocent people.....In fact he literally just stopped a nation bombing their practically defenseless neighbors, again, how did he betray it?

Killing Joker is a kind act at this point, so not what I'm talking about. More like putting the entire earth on a no fly zone, blowing up anyone who violates it, and destablilizing nations and entire regions against the wishes of his country, the United States of America. He may have started out an undocumented immigrant but he is still a citizen of the country and subject to the law.

At this point Bruce could've easily been thinking that talking to Clark would help, even though it didn't.

Fair enough, but once it became clear Superman wouldn't listen to reason, Bats should have gone with Plan B immediately.

If Joker can somehow rig Lois up with a nuclear bomb trigger after hours of complicated heart surgery and trick Superman, Batman should be able to at least stop him when he sees Supes going over the edge and get help from other heroes sooner than he does.

 

[Compbros]

Supes is having a temper tantrum about events outside Batman's control but doesn't seem to realize that he caused the kidnapping of his own parents by revealing his identity to everyone on earth.



Killing Joker is a kind act at this point, so not what I'm talking about. More like putting the entire earth on a no fly zone, blowing up anyone who violates it, and destablilizing nations and entire regions against the wishes of his country, the United States of America. He may have started out an undocumented immigrant but he is still a citizen of the country and subject to the law.




Fair enough, but once it became clear Superman wouldn't listen to reason, Bats should have gone with Plan B immediately.

If Joker can somehow rig Lois up with a nuclear bomb trigger after hours of complicated heart surgery and trick Superman, Batman should be able to at least stop him and get help from other heroes sooner than he does.

"Temper tantrum", you make it sound like he's overthrowing the World because someone pissed in his Corn Flakes. He was not angry against the dictator, the people at the press conference, what have you, only at Bruce does he show TRUE anger because his best friend, in his eyes, has done wrong by him many times over the past few weeks. The events were not Bruce's fault, but this man that he's done battle with and beaten many times over has killed millions in an instance and Bruce doesn't even seem to show remorse, that's probably what pisses Clark off more than anything.....he just doesn't seem to care at all.


So being a hero means obeying the law no matter what happens? So, if the US made a law that said "we can bomb every nation in the World and heroes must help in the unmitigated slaughter" then he must follow it? Or would he be a Hero by stopping the bombings and saving the lives of innocent people? BTW, Superman, Batman, etc....they are breaking the law on a daily basis and yet they're still heroes because sometimes the law must be broken for a greater good.


Again, Superman has done nothing "wrong", he is not killing left and right. If Batman is willing to go to those lengths for Supes then why not go to those lengths ( a personal prison that no one knows of) for Joker? Actually, nvm, that has nothing to do with this. If Superman disappeared or other heroes knew Bruce had him captured then there'd be even MORE support for Superman and more resistance to Batman.

 

[randomdude]

the sad thing is that batman will be seen as a hero in the story, and supes as the bad guy.

 

[trufenix]

Supes is having a temper tantrum about events outside Batman's control but doesn't seem to realize that he caused the kidnapping of his own parents by revealing his identity to everyone on earth.

The victim is somehow to blame? What the hell kind of logic is that.

Killing Joker is a kind act at this point, so not what I'm talking about. More like putting the entire earth on a no fly zone, blowing up anyone who violates it, and destablilizing nations and entire regions against the wishes of his country, the United States of America. He may have started out an undocumented immigrant but he is still a citizen of the country and subject to the law.

It's a two sided coin though. Superman's perspective is that those same laws protected villainy, and its true, they did. In issue six, Superman literally stopped a bomb that would have obliterated a city full of innocents, with zero life loss. A fair trial would have allowed Joker to kill someone else's baby whenever he got out, which he would do. This is why he blames Bruce, because Bruce knows this, everyone knows this, and yet Bruce allows the Joker to persist out of fear of the future. Anyone living in fear of the future is doomed to fail. Once that fear infects The Regime, its over.

Fair enough, but once it became clear Superman wouldn't listen to reason, Bats should have gone with Plan B immediately.

If Joker can somehow rig Lois up with a nuclear bomb trigger after hours of complicated heart surgery and trick Superman, Batman should be able to at least stop him when he sees Supes going over the edge and get help from other heroes sooner than he does.

When would Batman come up with a plan B? In issue 4 or 5, we saw Batman talking to Joker, telling him that he didn't believe Supes would go over the deep end. And even now, Batman has to admit that maybe Clark is right. For once we're seeing a Batman that isn't just morally in the right. He's failed as a friend to Clark, and a hero to Metropolis, and for what? To hide in his cave, drink tea and ignore his kids?

 

[The Borax Kid]

The victim is somehow to blame? What the hell kind of logic is that.

It was a dumb move though, and the results are predictable.

This is why he blames Bruce, because Bruce knows this, everyone knows this, and yet Bruce allows the Joker to persist out of fear of the future. Anyone living in fear of the future is doomed to fail. Once that fear infects The Regime, its over.

Once Supes crowns himself the eternal leader of the Regime, it becomes about him and his fear of not being able to save everyone so he must control everyone, not about saving lives. Using his power for altrustic purposes is noble but needs to be tempered with a moral code of restraint and self-control. A Superman who doesn't control himself leads down to godly tyranny in any story that tackles the question.

When would Batman come up with a plan B? In issue 4 or 5, we saw Batman talking to Joker, telling him that he didn't believe Supes would go over the deep end. And even now, Batman has to admit that maybe Clark is right. For once we're seeing a Batman that isn't just morally in the right. He's failed as a friend to Clark, and a hero to Metropolis, and for what? To hide in his cave, drink tea and ignore his kids?

I don't like how detached they portray Batman here either, but I hate even more this idea he's a shitty father. If they stopped killing off his kids he might be seen as the successful mentor to many young heroes that he is, including non-Batfamily teams like the Outsiders or the Club of Heroes, and can take up that role again when written well.

 

[Scarlett Viper]

Unless we see Supes and co locking up civies maybe they aren't that bad I mean hell look at who Batman's working with*Harley and Luthor*

 

[trufenix]

Once Supes crowns himself the eternal leader of the Regime, it becomes about him and his fear of not being able to save everyone so he must control everyone, not about saving lives. Using his power for altrustic purposes is noble but needs to be tempered with a moral code of restraint and self-control. A Superman who doesn't control himself leads down to godly tyranny in any story that tackles the question.

I think you're projecting on the story a bit. We don't even know what happens or why it takes 5 years for the Regime to start to come apart. It might not even be that Superman just loses his shit. Can you list something he has done at this point in the story that is less than altruistic?

By my reckoning, the biggest douche in the story right now is WW.

I don't like how detached they portray Batman either, but I hate even more this idea he's a shitty father. If they stopped killing off his kids he might be seen as the successful mentor to many young heroes that he is, and can take up that role again when written well.

But what is Batman truly mentoring? Think about it. As a father, or just a role model, what is Batman actually hoping to sire in his heirs? A life of fighting didn't help him exorcise his demons, so why would he inflict that on these other damaged children who come to him for guidance?

Batmantra: "Learn martial arts kids, it'll distract you from your dead parents. But don't kill anyone, or else. Or else what? Exactly."

 

[randomdude]

Unless we see Supes and co locking up civies maybe they aren't that bad I mean hell look at who Batman's working with*Harley and Luthor*

luthor can be a force of good you know. if only he was left alone without superheroes everywhere

 

[Numbface]

Pfft Aquaman is still a bitch.

 

[SRP]

No matter which way you slice it, Superman is still out of line. He knows how the Joker is from all the stories he's either heard from Batman, or seen on the news. That said he doesn't do a damn thing till Joker attacks him personally, and now it's all the world isn't right. He may have good intentions but that doesn't change the fact he is just as much to blame for everything the Joker did.

 

[Compbros]

No matter which way you slice it, Superman is still out of line. He knows how the Joker is from all the stories he's either heard from Batman, or seen on the news. That said he doesn't do a damn thing till Joker attacks him personally, and now it's all the world isn't right. He may have good intentions but that doesn't change the fact he is just as much to blame for everything the Joker did.

Bruce can handle Joker and Clark KNOWS Bruce can handle Joker as he always stops him so why should Clark step in? Also, why hasn't Bruce ever asked Clark to throw Joker in the phantom zone?

 

[trufenix]

No matter which way you slice it, Superman is still out of line. He knows how the Joker is from all the stories he's either heard from Batman, or seen on the news. That said he doesn't do a damn thing till Joker attacks him personally, and now it's all the world isn't right. He may have good intentions but that doesn't change the fact he is just as much to blame for everything the Joker did.

What is out of line tho? What has Superman actually done besides upset beaurocrats who weren't capable of protecting their people to begin with?

 

[The Borax Kid]

I think you're projecting on the story a bit. We don't even know what happens or why it takes 5 years for the Regime to start to come apart. It might not even be that Superman just loses his shit. Can you list something he has done at this point in the story that is less than altruistic?

By my reckoning, the biggest douche in the story right now is WW.

WW is taking the role of bad cop while Supes plays good cop, but the whole Superman is overcome with emotion and must act stuff suggests he's really in mourning and acting from a selfish place.

I guess Supes can be given the benefit of the doubt on his motives but thanks to the game story things are preordained to end badly.

But what is Batman truly mentoring? Think about it. As a father, or just a role model, what is Batman actually hoping to sire in his heirs? A life of fighting didn't help him exorcise his demons, so why would he inflict that on these other damaged children who come to him for guidance?

Why is it good for the kids? Great education and comfy living arrangments, lead a life dedicated to the selfless service to others as a great hero as opposed to being a hoodlum. In the DCU being a hero is a respected occupation (usually) so you can't think of it in real world terms.

Maybe Batman trains others for selfish reasons, to build an army of heroes doing good in the world ala Batman Inc. Maybe that's why he tells them not to kill, because it could get out of hand easily. Whatever his reasons I think he does more good than harm. Quitting is always an option for the kids.

Basically, the Dick Grayson model of success. If more kids turned out like him and Barb, nobody would question the use of sidekicks and other young heroes being trained.

 

[SRP]

Bruce can handle Joker and Clark KNOWS Bruce can handle Joker as he always stops him so why should Clark step in? Also, why hasn't Bruce ever asked Clark to throw Joker in the phantom zone?

Clark knows that Bruce can take care of him aka(lock the Joker up again).What I'm saying is once he kills Lois, now Superman's all "Why didn't you end him". He didn't do that when Joker killed or injured anyone else. Clark can blame Batman all he wants but in the end he is just as responsible.

 

[SRP]

What is out of line tho? What has Superman actually done besides upset beaurocrats who weren't capable of protecting their people to begin with?

Out of line as far as laying all the blame on Batman

 

[Compbros]

Clark knows that Bruce can take care of him aka(lock the Joker up again).What I'm saying is once he kills Lois, now Superman's all "Why didn't you end him". He didn't do that when Joker killed or injured anyone else. Clark can blame Batman all he wants but in the end he is just as responsible.

Then all heroes are responsible for all evil in the world if it happens again is what you're saying?

Let me give you a hypothetical: Say your parents get you the dog you've been begging for that you're supposed to take care of yourself. Now, the dog has peed on the carpet and you reprimand it only for it to pee on the carpet again and again later on for weeks...Is it the parents fault just as much as yours that the dog keeps peeing on the carpet or is it only yours because the dog is your responsibility?