"I win. I always win." - The Official General Zod Discussion Thread

[SimSim]

Things I liked from Sim:

Use of Zod Balls and Air control.
Willingness to go for Overhead bite trick
Ground Laser in zoning game(Great for mixups with trait later)

Things I don't like:
ONLY using Overhead Bite trick when up close.
Too much MB Zod balls, though that's my opinion

Things I'd like to see:
Use of not fully charged Ground Laser in zoning
Better mixups up close(The Trick isn't really a mixup, just a lesser know hard to blockable.)
More empty jumps

What do you mean with only using overhead bite trick when up close? I think there was plenty of times I did it full screen, but maybe they jumped and got caught? I am open to criticism, but I just don't feel that overhead trait grab is something I do to little, more the opposite really, as a lot of people refuse to block low.

Too much mb balls: Yea I can see that it might be too much as I love to use them for space control/ground blast pressure/trait activation. But looking back at my matches I seem to be able to do them a loooot, so maybe it's better to use them than to get full meter and regret not using it? Not sure. I think I would use them less offline as I can actually do instant air zod rifles there

Not fully charged lasers: I agree. I find that I use zod balls in combination of fully charged ground blasts/MB mid way through as pressure/mix up. People dont want to jump because of zod balls in the air, but they want to jump the fully charged ground blast because of the chip. Because of this I can often catch them with a charged ground blast and MB mid way through, when there is an opening to jump. I am sure letting the ground blast go mid way could be a way to catch them in the same way.

Better mix ups up close: You mean stuff like dash up neutral jump after knock downs in the neutral game? Like after mb blast? I agree with this too, but I like to stay away and zone when I don't have trait tbh

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

Yea please do! Hit me up on facebook or youtube

PM me your YouTube email on here

You'll get to see why I think this may be 3-7 mu

 

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

What do you mean with only using overhead bite trick when up close? I think there was plenty of times I did it full screen, but maybe they jumped and got caught? I am open to criticism, but I just don't feel that overhead trait grab is something I do to little, more the opposite really, as a lot of people refuse to block low.

Too much mb balls: Yea I can see that it might be too much as I love to use them for space control/ground blast pressure/trait activation. But looking back at my matches I seem to be able to do them a loooot, so maybe it's better to use them than to get full meter and regret not using it? Not sure. I think I would use them less offline as I can actually do instant air zod rifles there

Not fully charged lasers: I agree. I find that I use zod balls in combination of fully charged ground blasts/MB mid way through as pressure/mix up. People dont want to jump because of zod balls in the air, but they want to jump the fully charged ground blast because of the chip. Because of this I can often catch them with a charged ground blast and MB mid way through, when there is an opening to jump. I am sure letting the ground blast go mid way could be a way to catch them in the same way.

Better mix ups up close: You mean stuff like dash up neutral jump after knock downs in the neutral game? Like after mb blast? I agree with this too, but I like to stay away and zone when I don't have trait tbh

Nah, what I mean is the 4 f2 d4 trick up close. Far away doing Laser mixups is good. I'd like to see more non 4 f2 d4 mixups when close

 

[SimSim]

Nah, what I mean is the 4 f2 d4 trick up close. Far away doing Laser mixups is good. I'd like to see more non 4 f2 d4 mixups when close

Gotcha! I am going to work: 4~12 xx ground blast charge, 4~mb in to my mix ups for the High->low instead of f2 xx d4 for the low->high to mix it up!

 

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

Gotcha! I am going to work: 4~12 xx ground blast charge, 4~mb in to my mix ups for the High->low instead of f2 xx d4 for the low->high to mix it up!

Don't forget ye olde 21 mixups.

 

[Marcus]

I didnt want to make a new thread without checking with you guys first. Im not sure if this has already been shown, I dont see any videos around or something.

So I found pressure tool from a F213 xx trait setup.
You do f213 xx trait, sidearm, trait swipe (do the swipe as early as possible for it to combo), dash, trait mixup shenanigans.

Here's a video I recorded.

Against rolls.

I havent tested on all wakeups but its just an idea. Let me know if this is any good.

AK Pig Of The Hut
SimSim
Colonel-Gilgamesh

 

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

I didnt want to make a new thread without checking with you guys first. Im not sure if this has already been shown, I dont see any videos around or something.

So I found pressure tool from a F213 xx trait setup.
You do f213 xx trait, sidearm, trait swipe (do the swipe as early as possible for it to combo), dash, trait mixup shenanigans.

Here's a video I recorded.

I havent tested on all wakeups but its just an idea. Let me know if this is any good.

AK Pig Of The Hut
SimSim
Colonel-Gilgamesh

Rolls?

 

[Marcus]

Rolls?

This doesnt work when they roll. Theres a different setup. Im uploading a video now.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

can anyone on xbl help me test something really big?

 

[Marcus]

Updated my post with the new video.

 

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

can anyone on xbl help me test something really big?

PSN. Sadness.

 

[B W1zZ]

I didnt want to make a new thread without checking with you guys first. Im not sure if this has already been shown, I dont see any videos around or something.

So I found pressure tool from a F213 xx trait setup.
You do f213 xx trait, sidearm, trait swipe (do the swipe as early as possible for it to combo), dash, trait mixup shenanigans.


I havent tested on all wakeups but its just an idea. Let me know if this is any good.

AK Pig Of The Hut
SimSim
Colonel-Gilgamesh

I tested this on Scorpion's teleport, you have to delay the sidearm slightly (right after zod puts his arm down from trait). If you do it too soon the shot will hit invincibility frames.

 

[SimSim]

 

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

inb4 Pig comes in and is unable to hold back a smile(minimum)

 

[godlessmode]

...

Epic.

 

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

So m2dave is not in top 8 at youmacon. Why is this?

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

inb4 Pig comes in and is unable to hold back a smile(minimum)

SimSim

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

GGA 16 Bit
Ra Helios
K7L33THA zod reset

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

woa woa so from every full screen grab you can ZC in and its perfect range for cross up ji2?
SimSim

also in your video what do you do if they dont try jumping immediately?

 

[SimSim]

woa woa so from every full screen grab you can ZC in and its perfect range for cross up ji2?
SimSim

also in your video what do you do if they dont try jumping immediately?

I haven't made a set up out of it tbh, but I am sure it's a great range for zod charge in to trait pressure.

And yes, after full screen trait grab you can either do zod charge-> j.2 for a non cross up, or zod charge, invisible step forward, j2 for cross up. It's kind of tight timing for the cross up though, as you are actually crossing up because of the first frames of animation where trait grab is throwing the opponent away.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

I haven't made a set up out of it tbh, but I am sure it's a great range for zod charge in to trait pressure.

And yes, after full screen trait grab you can either do zod charge-> j.2 for a non cross up, or zod charge, invisible step forward, j2 for cross up. It's kind of tight timing for the cross up though, as you are actually crossing up because of the first frames of animation where trait grab is throwing the opponent away.

so weird yet important

 

[K7L33THA]

GGA 16 Bit
Ra Helios
K7L33THA zod reset

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

I haven't made a set up out of it tbh, but I am sure it's a great range for zod charge in to trait pressure.

And yes, after full screen trait grab you can either do zod charge-> j.2 for a non cross up, or zod charge, invisible step forward, j2 for cross up. It's kind of tight timing for the cross up though, as you are actually crossing up because of the first frames of animation where trait grab is throwing the opponent away.

ok work w me here

can u name me all the ways and situations to do the reset like this?

 

[SimSim]

ok work w me here

can u name me all the ways and situations to do the reset like this?

Usually trait (not for zod, since trait is active), whiffing normals, whiffing air normals, whiffing throw, whiffing certain special moves (For zod it's only zod charge I believe). I posted this some time back too:

 

[Ra Helios]

GGA 16 Bit
Ra Helios
K7L33THA zod reset

Holy crap that combo reset is serious. Can you do that consistently though? If so that is dangerous.