I need some opinions from the Community

[Tony at Home]

The real funny thing is the video talking about NRS art direction regarding female characters is "censorship"

So a company choosing 100% by their own will what the direction to take the game's character design in, is now "censorship". Or, "It's not what I wanted, therefore it's censorship"

It's basically inventing some strawman in order to shield themselves from the idea that their favorite game creator disagrees with their shitty idea of what the game should be

 

[ArcticTabasco]

I think that the issue in question even *being an issue* for someone is simply incomprehensible.

Personally I thought that the costume designs for women in MK9 were a bit ridiculous. I understood the design from the perspective of MK9 riding on the nostalgia factor, MK traditionally being campy and over the top, and the original costumes being pretty much lingerie or swimsuits. But going forward in the series I also understand the designs of the new costumes because a) nobody really dresses like a stripper all the time, and b) there's more visual variety between characters when your choice isn't limited to a thong. Plus you could argue the costume's functionality.

But why in the blue buggering hell is sex appeal of a female character in Mortal Kombat an issue for anyone? I simply can't understand. I get that someone might find the more revealing outfits more appealing (nothing wrong with that), but a character not having a revealing outfit in a new version of the game is somehow an insult to them or their values? Que?

 

[TheSpore]

All your responses are why I came here rather than Reddit, BC we all know this is one the main hubs of the actual community. I appreciate everyone's well reasoned responses.

Personally I thought that the costume designs for women in MK9 were a bit ridiculous.

This right here is something I keep explaining to these idiots was a complaint made by the community a lot back in MK9.

 

[stokedAF]

Please explain this? I don't understand what treating as object means

Stop treating the game assets like objects

 

[GLoRToR]

Stop treating the game assets like objects

are you stoked by it?

 

[stokedAF]

are you stoked by it?

AF!

 

[STB Shujinkydink]

I’m more pissed that dvorah isn’t hot anymore

 

[HeavyNorse]

I’m more pissed that dvorah isn’t hot anymore

 

[Jynks]

I think that the issue in question even *being an issue* for someone is simply incomprehensible.

quote for truth.

This entire thread is fucking bonkers.

 

[Whippoorwill]

This is only an issue because women in videogames are expected to be sexual by default. Women dressed normally is conflicting. If that doesn't sound ridiculous and a symptom of the underlying issue, I don't know what could.

Simply put, because of how gender operates in our society, women are valued in relation to their sex appeal primarily and sometimes exclusively. Men can be valued by their sex appeal, but never in relation to it.

We've been dragging the dynamics of gender interaction for so long historically and we still haven't been able to unsee females as an exo-group. It truly saddens me how unsensitive and insensible people can be about the issue. Ignorance is such a plague.

 

[Lt. Boxy Angelman]

The vocal minority chiding NRS for Skarlet having short hair at all depresses me

Seconded. She looks cute as a fucking modest button and gets all this backlash.

 

[Gamer68]

The new female designs look great, and they look pretty much in-line with the MKX female designs... so not much has really changed? I see some people say it's a big change coming from MK9 while completely ignoring that MKX was a thing. The designs looked fine in that game, and they look fine here.

I also don't see how more realistic/serious female designs = SJW pandering, but even if it is, I don't really see the problem?

These people need to understand that not everyone is comfortable seeing borderline naked women doing things like dancing around a pole (MK9 Jade). Without going into detail, I've had some straight female friends/family play MK9 and past MK games with me before and EVERY time the topic of "Why do the men have cool costumes, but the females look like strippers?" would come up -- no lie. Every single time it would come up. Had the same people play MKX, the topic never came up.

Of course this is just from my experience, and I'm not trying to say that all straight females wouldn't be comfortable seeing MK9 Jade. Some people don't really care either way. But my point is, some people do care and may not be comfortable with it. Hell, I'm a straight guy so seeing half naked females, on paper, would be completely fine with me -- but the truth is; not always. I would personally take these designs over MK9 designs because I think they look way cooler, and that's what I look for in my fighting game characters.

Anyway, just because the designs aren't over sexualized doesn't mean they aren't sexy in a way. I think they kind of are, but in a way that is done right and hopefully won't make people uncomfortable. I guess we'll see about that.

This is just my point of view and experiences, though.

 

[Alex95]

Honestly I'm not into women but the idea that anyone finds this design:

to be sexier than this design:

is bizarre to me.

Isn't that level of porn-y tits-out design more garish than sexy? Personally speaking I'm much more turned on by a hot guy in a cool form-fitting outfit than a hot guy in a thong.

MK11 Skarlet has a more ornate, elaborate sex appeal. There's some subtlety and mystery to it, instead of 'here is literally every inch of my naked body'. But it's still sexy -- she's wearing a skintight catsuit and has cleavage windows. And she still looks more like a supermodel than a martial artist. Surely this is an improvement.

Wow she looks so fucking badass in the first pic.MK9 sure has some sick designs.

 

[HeavyNorse]

MK9 sure has some sick designs.

Sick as in vomit inducing.

 

[TheSpore]

I never hated Skarlet's MK9 deign but one point I tried to make is that teh MK9 costumes would look silly AF in MKX and MK11

I know they changed a lot of the designs fro the MK9 vesrion on MKX which I can agree they completely changed Mileena's Tourney costume, however tehy really managed to maintain Kitana's Tourney costume.

 

[Sothpaw]

@TheSpore I see a lot of bashing of anti-SJW's in this thread. And to a certain extent I do understand where those critics are coming from. A few years ago, there were many rational critics of SJW's. The problem is that recently, there has been a huge influx of utterly dishonest anti-SJW's that are now criticizing problems that don't exist. I'm thinking about people like Mike Cernovich and Jack Posobiec. These men are charlatans and they give everyone else who criticizes SJW's a bad reputation.

And that's a shame because there is an actual SJW problem. The problem is not women in MK11 not looking like women in MK9. The problem is people who call anyone who criticizes Islam as islamophobic. Or the people who insist that all men are part of some rape culture. Or the people in the fat acceptance movement.

But there are clearly real social justice issues in the world that need to be fought for. Women in Saudi Arabia should not be treated as property. Parents of homosexual teens in certain American states should not be allowed to put said teens into conversion therapy. Women shouldn't have the state restrict their right to an abortion.

This is the tragedy of the current situation. You have otherwise reasonable people see someone like Cernovich and then assume that the SJW issue is all made up. And on the other side you have people who do not care about social change and rail against otherwise reasonable ideas (i.e. gay rights) as SJW nonsense.

Anyway to answer your question, no I don't have evidence of NRS going SJW at this point. It could happen of course, just not seeing it at this time.

 

[Resistible]

The outfits from MK9 were fun, they were reminiscent of MK and MK2 and fitting for a showy tournament and a nod to the past. The current outfits of the most recent games is MK maturing, it's growing up if you will.

The female characters aren't dressing down anymore, but they aren't hiding their figure either. NRS has them covering more but they haven't taken away their sex appeal. Certain casual fans just need to get away from xhamster or myfreecams and realize that women in the real world don't actually walk down the street in a slingshot bikini. Yes, it's a video game but they focusing on realism with their normal over the top violence.

A clothed woman can be sexier then a naked woman if she has the right attitude, and so far every woman, besides Sonya in my opinion, has that attitude. The day NRS makes a game where Kitana is wearing a sweater 3xs too large and baggy pants, that's the day we should blame SJWs.

 

[TheSpore]

@TheSpore I see a lot of bashing of anti-SJW's in this thread. And to a certain extent I do understand where those critics are coming from. A few years ago, there were many rational critics of SJW's. The problem is that recently, there has been a huge influx of utterly dishonest anti-SJW's that are now criticizing problems that don't exist. I'm thinking about people like Mike Cernovich and Jack Posobiec. These men are charlatans and they give everyone else who criticizes SJW's a bad reputation.

And that's a shame because there is an actual SJW problem. The problem is not women in MK11 not looking like women in MK9. The problem is people who call anyone who criticizes Islam as islamophobic. Or the people who insist that all men are part of some rape culture. Or the people in the fat acceptance movement.

But there are clearly real social justice issues in the world that need to be fought for. Women in Saudi Arabia should not be treated as property. Parents of homosexual teens in certain American states should not be allowed to put said teens into conversion therapy. Women shouldn't have the state restrict their right to an abortion.

This is the tragedy of the current situation. You have otherwise reasonable people see someone like Cernovich and then assume that the SJW issue is all made up. And on the other side you have people who do not care about social change and rail against otherwise reasonable ideas (i.e. gay rights) as SJW nonsense.

Anyway to answer your question, no I don't have evidence of NRS going SJW at this point. It could happen of course, just not seeing it at this time.

Cernovich is a fucking idiot same goes with Milo.

When we say SJW I would point to a game like Battle Field V, which is what these fools are acting like whats happening to MK, but I haven't seen NRS at all say they were trying to act inclusive and be less problematic, or attack fans with statements like your all uneducated if you don't like it. You know the usual affair we see.

 

[HeavyNorse]

You know u like it

I know that there are a lot of MK9 designs which are just outright bad.

 

[TheSpore]

I know that there are a lot of MK9 designs which are just outright bad.

Like Sonya's default!!!

Having served in the military I always Facepalmed at that costume. her alternate was more realistic even

 

[Sothpaw]

Honestly I'm not into women but the idea that anyone finds this design:

to be sexier than this design:

is bizarre to me.

Isn't that level of porn-y tits-out design more garish than sexy? Personally speaking I'm much more turned on by a hot guy in a cool form-fitting outfit than a hot guy in a thong.

MK11 Skarlet has a more ornate, elaborate sex appeal. There's some subtlety and mystery to it, instead of 'here is literally every inch of my naked body'. But it's still sexy -- she's wearing a skintight catsuit and has cleavage windows. And she still looks more like a supermodel than a martial artist. Surely this is an improvement.

That's actually interesting. Do you get randomly turned on by good looking men walking around in form fitting outfits? More than seeing the same exact guy nearly nude?

That's hard for me to understand, and not such that I don't believe you. It's hard for me to understand because I see hot girls every day walking around in business attire or in gym clothes and I don't get turned on. One look at the front page of pornhub though and I'm ready to go.

Regarding the MK9 Skarlet vs MK11 Skarlet, it's not even a close call for me (in terms of which fictional character is "sexier"). MK9 Skarlet is basically a dream girl, MK11 Skarlet I'm not sure if I'd do even if she begged; just not attractive to me. Which is fine bc this is a fighting game and I don't need to want to fuck all the fighters. I wouldn't fuck Ronda Sonya either, but Jade is a 10.

 

[Dogeofthesea]

Because some of you master-bait on MK9 Skarlet or MK9 Mileena, I need to remind you that they were all ~ 1 years old then

 

[Eldagrin]

I mean, I remember when some people were losing their shit over Mileena in MKX because her breasts weren’t the size of her head anymore and she was wearing more than some plastic wrap and a cracker.

Some people are going to bitch about character design no matter what. But, no, I don’t think NRS is going “SJW” because they’re going for considerably more realistic character design than MK9.

 

[MKF30]

One thing I think the folks who find themselves “offended” by the sexy outfits tend to forget is this game is rated M for a reason, violence, blood, gore, drinking, language and some minor sexual references. That and it’s a umm video game with fictional characters? Lol

The people who feel the need to have sexy, skimpy dressed chicks showing cleavage in a video game need to get laid bad or look at some porn lol if that’s your number one concern.

I think views from both sides have to remember it’s just that. A video game, not real.....who the hell cares THAT much? Regardless of nutty sjws or dudes who have the hormones of a 16 year old teenager. People need to be concerned with more important things than this.

 

[DubiousShenron]

you forgot the third option in your survey..

3. "I don't care"