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Has NRS silenced the Mortal Kombat 1 critics?

Has NRS silenced the Mortal Kombat 1 critics?


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Oh I understand how arcs work and I understand you don't fundamentally make characters someone completely different or you risk alienating fans.

I have nothing against Margot Robbie's version of Harley. I'm neither here nor there about it, and apparently that's how everyone else feels as well. Let's look at some of the things Harley is doing lately. Her show on Max which good god how is that even still on? The viewership is abysmal. She was just in Suicide Squad Kill the Justice league. Real winner that one was. Now she's in a fart comic.lol. Like you actually cannot make this shit up.

Harley as a character is better when she's by Joker's side. Everything she's in does kind of awful lately. Idk what you're seeing.

Everything needs a change up, but you don't change who characters are at their core. Resident Evil can reinvent itself because it spans action games and horror games now and you don't follow just 1 protagonist. So of course it can reinvent itself. I also loved Resident Evil 7, but what you're missing is fans had been BEGGING capcom to take Resident Evil back to its horror roots. So really fans were wanting to go back to what Vulgar? What Resident Evil started as. A horror game.

Again the NRS era did it right. They didn't just fundamentally ruin characters (at least not imo). Many of them had similar backstories and a lot of what we didn't know about characters in the original games was given some context. Did they make some flubs? Absolutely, but nobody was just fucked beyond Repair.

Mk1 fucked it beyond repair.haha. Sub-Zero is Scorpion now for some fucking reason. Raiden doesn't even have powers. Hell half the characters don't. They learn their shit through magic. Rain was also ruined with his Wizarding world of harry potter ass. They fundamentally changed who all of these characters are and I gave zero fucks about literally any of them. I won't either until they get them back closer to who they conceptually are. You can tell new stories with characters and not change them completely.



Oops see no we disagree there. You were missing what I was saying. All I'm saying is internet fandoms are often not the audience at large so listening to them screaming for certain things doesn't always work.

Not listening at all is how we get franchises like Marvel, DC, star wars, and the like all sitting in the holes they're in now trying to find their way out and Kevin Feige practically frothing at the mouth to bring back his money making actors. You can't just continually not listen to anyone and expect success. You just have to be careful which parts of fanbases you listen to is the point I'm gettting at.
bro you’re pushing 40 why are you typing this much? Go start a family and be happy lol like you don’t need this many words to get your point across.
 

Eddy Wang

Skarlet scientist
You mean "vocal minority", not "most players"



Uhhhh...... isn't that what's already happening in MK1? If a Kameo gets hit, they stop the attack, the main character loses a bit of health of his own, and the cooldown meter gets to be on hold before it starts to regenerate. So what's up with that?
no it's not, they don't lose Kameo bar.
The bar itself isn't even crucial for breakers
 

Vulgar

Kombatant
Oh I understand how arcs work and I understand you don't fundamentally make characters someone completely different or you risk alienating fans.

I have nothing against Margot Robbie's version of Harley. I'm neither here nor there about it, and apparently that's how everyone else feels as well. Let's look at some of the things Harley is doing lately. Her show on Max which good god how is that even still on? The viewership is abysmal. She was just in Suicide Squad Kill the Justice league. Real winner that one was. Now she's in a fart comic.lol. Like you actually cannot make this shit up.

Harley as a character is better when she's by Joker's side. Everything she's in does kind of awful lately. Idk what you're seeing.

Everything needs a change up, but you don't change who characters are at their core. Resident Evil can reinvent itself because it spans action games and horror games now and you don't follow just 1 protagonist. So of course it can reinvent itself. I also loved Resident Evil 7, but what you're missing is fans had been BEGGING capcom to take Resident Evil back to its horror roots. So really fans were wanting to go back to what Vulgar? What Resident Evil started as. A horror game.

Again the NRS era did it right. They didn't just fundamentally ruin characters (at least not imo). Many of them had similar backstories and a lot of what we didn't know about characters in the original games was given some context. Did they make some flubs? Absolutely, but nobody was just fucked beyond Repair.

Mk1 fucked it beyond repair.haha. Sub-Zero is Scorpion now for some fucking reason. Raiden doesn't even have powers. Hell half the characters don't. They learn their shit through magic. Rain was also ruined with his Wizarding world of harry potter ass. They fundamentally changed who all of these characters are and I gave zero fucks about literally any of them. I won't either until they get them back closer to who they conceptually are. You can tell new stories with characters and not change them completely.



Oops see no we disagree there. You were missing what I was saying. All I'm saying is internet fandoms are often not the audience at large so listening to them screaming for certain things doesn't always work.

Not listening at all is how we get franchises like Marvel, DC, star wars, and the like all sitting in the holes they're in now trying to find their way out and Kevin Feige practically frothing at the mouth to bring back his money making actors. You can't just continually not listen to anyone and expect success. You just have to be careful which parts of fanbases you listen to is the point I'm gettting at.
I love how you completely side-stepped the Resident Evil 4 mention. Fans didn't ask for it to be the way it was, it was a developer decision because they realized that they had done everything they could with the survival horror/Tank control style.

Then, when they ran the action-oriented style to its conclusion and fan backlash was less than positive on RE6, they re-invented themselves completely again with RE7.

Harley has been doing her own thing without Joker longer now in multimedia than she ever did in B:TAS.

And given her HBO Max show is on its 5th season, clearly they're doing something right.

(As an aside, it's a genuinely hilarious and really clever show. To dislike it, you'd have to be a neckbeard or just allergic to fun, which most comic book fans are.)

And don't think I didn't see you side-stepping the God of War example.



Likewise, NRS had already done tournament stories, invasions stories, and so they took it a different direction. Now, not liking that direction is one thing.

But no one actually wants the same thing over and over again, they only think they do.

And since you've never even played Story Mode let alone the game itself, I'm going to completely disregard anything you say about MK1's quality.
 
And yet Ed Boon called them fully canon when they launched. Are you saying that Ed lied about it? Because that would be messed up to say.



It's not an argument, it's how the canon of the modern franchise is.

But hey, we'll see what happens in Mortal Kombat 13.
Can you give me a link to where Ed Boon said that? Because I never saw it. Also once again with the Mileena-Ermac example I brought, are you saying that how Ermac rejected Mileena in the comic is canon when the game's story clearly contradicts it?
 
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SaltShaker

In Zoning We Trust
IMO... game devs shouldn't listen to players at all. They should follow their own stylistic choices and trust in their creatives they employ to make games THEY want to play...and forget all the notice from the fandom completely.
Let's no go that far. Listening to players is how many games have improved their product through patches or a future game. MK1 has become one of the best FGs on the market by listening to fan feedback and updating the game in ways people were asking for, and even adding highly requested features like Replay Takeover.
 

Vulgar

Kombatant
Let's no go that far. Listening to players is how many games have improved their product through patches or a future game. MK1 has become one of the best FGs on the market by listening to fan feedback and updating the game in ways people were asking for, and even adding highly requested features like Replay Takeover.
I think it's complicated.

Fan feedback and be good and helpful. It can also be absolutely atrocious with some of the most dogshit core gameplay changes you've ever seen.

I think develops should listen to fans with discretion.
 
Let's try this another way. What was bad in the story and/or what changes or new things in the story across the NRS games were bad?
As the old saying goes: "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". But you dodging my question: Why you and others keep bringing MCU when NRS/WB already had Injustice 1, plus MK9 started the time-travel idea, both happened way before Disney and Marvel started their multiverse in the MCU?

Let's no go that far. Listening to players is how many games have improved their product through patches or a future game. MK1 has become one of the best FGs on the market by listening to fan feedback and updating the game in ways people were asking for, and even adding highly requested features like Replay Takeover.
Let's not go that far. MK1 indeed got few of it's changes based on fan feedback from the interent, but only very specific stuff. A lot of the changes the fans on the interent asked for were way too obviously specific of their personal needs and way out-of-touch with reality and history, instead of being objectively better for the game and with awareness to the history of them asking for stuff or how they used these requested things in practice. Like with online rooms, no one used online rooms in MK11 beyond year 2. Or customizing intros, people wanna customize intros like in MK11 but when you had that feature in that game you still skipped the intros anyway after a short while. So why listen to the feedback on these particular topics when you know it's not worth it?

I think it's complicated.

Fan feedback and be good and helpful. It can also be absolutely atrocious with some of the most dogshit core gameplay changes you've ever seen.

I think develops should listen to fans with discretion.
On that one, I 100% agree with you.
no it's not, they don't lose Kameo bar.
The bar itself isn't even crucial for breakers
WHAT???? Kameo bars should be used for Breakers? You already have to spent all your 3 Meter bars for Breakers and now you have add the Kameo meter on top of just to "make them more fair". No, that will make Breakers too costly and unreliable and it will be just like MK9 and MKX X-Rays all over again. Do you even listen to yourself?

And yes they do lose the Kameo bar if a Kameo gets hit. Do you even play the game?
 
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Oh I understand how arcs work and I understand you don't fundamentally make characters someone completely different or you risk alienating fans.

I have nothing against Margot Robbie's version of Harley. I'm neither here nor there about it, and apparently that's how everyone else feels as well. Let's look at some of the things Harley is doing lately. Her show on Max which good god how is that even still on? The viewership is abysmal. She was just in Suicide Squad Kill the Justice league. Real winner that one was. Now she's in a fart comic.lol. Like you actually cannot make this shit up.

Harley as a character is better when she's by Joker's side. Everything she's in does kind of awful lately. Idk what you're seeing.

Everything needs a change up, but you don't change who characters are at their core. Resident Evil can reinvent itself because it spans action games and horror games now and you don't follow just 1 protagonist. So of course it can reinvent itself. I also loved Resident Evil 7, but what you're missing is fans had been BEGGING capcom to take Resident Evil back to its horror roots. So really fans were wanting to go back to what Vulgar? What Resident Evil started as. A horror game.

Again the NRS era did it right. They didn't just fundamentally ruin characters (at least not imo). Many of them had similar backstories and a lot of what we didn't know about characters in the original games was given some context. Did they make some flubs? Absolutely, but nobody was just fucked beyond Repair.

Mk1 fucked it beyond repair.haha. Sub-Zero is Scorpion now for some fucking reason. Raiden doesn't even have powers. Hell half the characters don't. They learn their shit through magic. Rain was also ruined with his Wizarding world of harry potter ass. They fundamentally changed who all of these characters are and I gave zero fucks about literally any of them. I won't either until they get them back closer to who they conceptually are. You can tell new stories with characters and not change them completely.



Oops see no we disagree there. You were missing what I was saying. All I'm saying is internet fandoms are often not the audience at large so listening to them screaming for certain things doesn't always work.

Not listening at all is how we get franchises like Marvel, DC, star wars, and the like all sitting in the holes they're in now trying to find their way out and Kevin Feige practically frothing at the mouth to bring back his money making actors. You can't just continually not listen to anyone and expect success. You just have to be careful which parts of fanbases you listen to is the point I'm gettting at.
You are clearly out of touch with reality.

MK1 didn't ruin anything, and the same goes to Marvel and DC. Just in the last four years alone we had movies such as Spider-Man No Way Home (the best Spider-Man movie ever made IMO), Black Panther Wakanda Forever, The Batman (2022), Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, Guardians of the Galaxy 3, Spider-Man Across the Spider-Verse, and most recently, Deadpool and Wolverine, all of which were super successful both commercially and critically and some of them made over a billion dollars in the box office. I don't know about Star Wars since I was never big on it, but Marvel and DC definitely doing perfectly fine and without listening to interent bashers like you. And that is not even bringing up all of the successful movies and good movies.

You can bring up She-Hulk and Madam Web and Kraven all you want, but these movies clearly show that Marvel and DC are doing great without listening to you. Even the Joker 2 movie was a good movie, it just went into a direction that no one expected, but if you actually have an open mind, you can see what they were trying to do. Was is as good as the other movies I mentioned? No, but was it good on it's own? Yes it was.

And Mortal Kombat is no different. MK1 is still the best selling fighting game in the market, still in the top 15 most played games on PS5 even a year and a third after release, and we got the live-action movie MK2 coming up.

You wanna believe that the fans affect these IP's for the better just so you can feel of having control over them with no knowledge or understanding in game development, movie making, script writing, marketing and business. Hell, you don't even necessarily need deep enough knowledge on the lore and gameplay of these IP's. All you need is just enough knowledge and time invested into them to make a premise that only sound logical on the up front to get enough like-minded people to listen to you, and of course a keyboard/phone and a camera (if you're a YouTuber) and that's it.

No studio is gonna listen to you, at least not when it comes to the direction of where to take their IP's creatively, especially after they did listen אם you for so many years and all you did was complaining more and more. They learned their lesson with you.
 
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YagamiFire

Mortal
Just in the last four years alone we had movies such as Spider-Man No Way Home (the best Spider-Man movie ever made IMO), Black Panther Wakanda Forever, The Batman (2022), Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, Guardians of the Galaxy 3, Spider-Man Across the Spider-Verse, and most recently, Deadpool and Wolverine, all of which were super successful both commercially and critically and some of them made over a billion dollars in the box office. I don't know about Star Wars since I was never big on it, but Marvel and DC definitely doing perfectly fine and without listening to interent bashers like you. And that is not even bringing up all of the successful movies and good movies.
Spider-Man No Way Home is atrociously written and coasts on great acting and good character moments. Wakanda Forever was fucking terrible and spit on Chadwick Boseman's last wishes while standing atop his grave for clout. MoM was 2022 (and was legitimately one of the worst written movies I've ever seen). BTW, No Way Home and Spider-Verse are Sony, not Marvel when it comes to raking in the cash. You also failed to mention Black Widow and Thor: Love & Thunder which were not what you'd call successful nor liked. And then there's Eternals...

Marvel has been eating shit for a long time now on the majority of their projects especially on Disney+. It's why their stuff is not getting renewed. Hawkeye, Moon Knight, Ms. Marvel, and She-Hulk all either did mediocre or outright face-planted.

Phase 5 (which was actually Phase 4 still but they split phases to try and save face) ate plate after plate of shit. Quantumania set money on fire. The Marvels did as well. Captain America: BNW is trending to potentially be the biggest bomb of all time with an INSANE budget due to reshoots. Then you've got Echo (LMAO), Agatha (bomb), What if Season 3 (cancelled afterwards)

Now, as far as DC...

How the fuck are we coping that DC has been anything but a fucking disaster shitshow of amazing proportions?

Suicide Squad. Bomb. Justice League. Bomb. Harley Quinn & The Birds of Prey. Bomb (...but I thought Harley was a wildly successful character...? HINT: Her comics have also been cancelled repeatedly because she struggles to carry a book). WW 1984. Bomb. Zack Snyder's Justice League. Holy fuck they backed a truck full of cash to an incinerator. The Suicide Squad. Very good movie! ...bombed. Shazam! Bomb of the Gods. Black Adam. More like Bomb Adam. The Flash. Might be the biggest box office loss of all time. Blue Beetle. I don't know a single person that has seen this or even remembers it coming out. BOMB. Aquaman 2. Floundered.

DC has been doing nothing but failing on almost every single thing they've produced for years and years with only a handful of successes. And, ironically, a few of those successes have been things like Joker that they had ZERO faith in...because Warner Bros is lead by idiots. Hey speaking of Joker! Bet it's sequel did great...

...oh wait it bombed.

Saying Marvel is still doing well is HIGHLY dubious and not in keeping with Marvel's own attempts to refocus which they themselves have stated outright.

Saying DC has been doing well is straight-up delusional detachment from reality that should result in a mental health evaluation. Warner Bros is one of the most openly dysfunctional companies in the world right now.
 
Spider-Man No Way Home is atrociously written and coasts on great acting and good character moments. Wakanda Forever was fucking terrible and spit on Chadwick Boseman's last wishes while standing atop his grave for clout. MoM was 2022 (and was legitimately one of the worst written movies I've ever seen). BTW, No Way Home and Spider-Verse are Sony, not Marvel when it comes to raking in the cash. You also failed to mention Black Widow and Thor: Love & Thunder which were not what you'd call successful nor liked. And then there's Eternals...

Marvel has been eating shit for a long time now on the majority of their projects especially on Disney+. It's why their stuff is not getting renewed. Hawkeye, Moon Knight, Ms. Marvel, and She-Hulk all either did mediocre or outright face-planted.

Phase 5 (which was actually Phase 4 still but they split phases to try and save face) ate plate after plate of shit. Quantumania set money on fire. The Marvels did as well. Captain America: BNW is trending to potentially be the biggest bomb of all time with an INSANE budget due to reshoots. Then you've got Echo (LMAO), Agatha (bomb), What if Season 3 (cancelled afterwards)

Now, as far as DC...

How the fuck are we coping that DC has been anything but a fucking disaster shitshow of amazing proportions?

Suicide Squad. Bomb. Justice League. Bomb. Harley Quinn & The Birds of Prey. Bomb (...but I thought Harley was a wildly successful character...? HINT: Her comics have also been cancelled repeatedly because she struggles to carry a book). WW 1984. Bomb. Zack Snyder's Justice League. Holy fuck they backed a truck full of cash to an incinerator. The Suicide Squad. Very good movie! ...bombed. Shazam! Bomb of the Gods. Black Adam. More like Bomb Adam. The Flash. Might be the biggest box office loss of all time. Blue Beetle. I don't know a single person that has seen this or even remembers it coming out. BOMB. Aquaman 2. Floundered.

DC has been doing nothing but failing on almost every single thing they've produced for years and years with only a handful of successes. And, ironically, a few of those successes have been things like Joker that they had ZERO faith in...because Warner Bros is lead by idiots. Hey speaking of Joker! Bet it's sequel did great...

...oh wait it bombed.

Saying Marvel is still doing well is HIGHLY dubious and not in keeping with Marvel's own attempts to refocus which they themselves have stated outright.

Saying DC has been doing well is straight-up delusional detachment from reality that should result in a mental health evaluation. Warner Bros is one of the most openly dysfunctional companies in the world right now.
Your post only proves why companies should never listen to anyone on the interent. You parroting stuff like a mindless robot with no thinking whatsoever and that is embarrassing.

I actually took classes in writing, and I talked closely with professional writers who understand how writing works. And such I can confirm to you that none of the movies I mentioned were badly written at all. Also, funny that you left out Deadpool and Wolverine which I also mentioned in the paragraph you quoted, because that movie sits well with the interent "club opinion", not because of it's quality. You also failed to mention 2022 Batman, guess you got not enough parroting that stuck in your head for this one, huh?

I also did mention Joker 2, and I said then that while it's not as good as Joker 1, it wasn't a bad movie, it just tried to go in a direction that no one expected it to go, but once you watch and analyze it you can see what the writers tried to do. This is called having an open mind, a concept which I can see is way too hard for you to grasp.

And if you wanna talk about the commercial success of these movies, all the movies that I mentioned were all insanely successful, especially No-Way Home, Batman and Deadpool and Wolverine. Also a crap ton of the movies you listed didn't fail at the box office. Some of the movies you listed indeed failed, but the majority of them not.

Let's break it down, both the budget and the income at the box office
  1. Spiderman No Way Home (2021). Budget of $200 Million, income of $1.953 billion
  2. Wakanda Forever (2022). Budget of 250 million, income of 859.2 million
  3. The Batman (2022) a movie that you forgot to mention. Budget of 200 million, income of 772.3 million
  4. Deadpool and Wolverine (2024) ANOTHER movie that you forgot to mention. Budget of 200 million, income of 1.338 billion
  5. Multiverse of Madness (2022), budget of 414 million (gross) and 350.6 million (net), income of 955.8 million
  6. Guardians of the Galaxy 3 (2023) budget of 250 million, income of 845.6 million
  7. Across the Spider-Verse (2023) budget of 150 million, income of 690.8 million
And these are only the movies that I mentioned. A crap of the movies you listed were also super successful, so let's bring all the successful ones:
  1. Black Widow (Taskmaster was written bad, but everything else in the movie was good and it was still very successful commercially). Budget of 288.5 million, income of 379.8 million
  2. Thor: Love and Thunder. Budget of 250 million, income of 760.9 million
  3. Shazam 1. Budget of 100 million, income of 367.8 million
  4. Eternals. Budget of 236.2 million, income of 402.1 million
  5. Justice League (you also mentioned that movie twice, because there is only 1, directed by Zak Snyder. And no, the director's cut version isn't a 2nd one). Budget of 300 million, income of 661.3 million
  6. Birds of Prey. Budget of 100 million, income of 205.5 million
I can keep going if you want

Obviously you drop the term "bomb" so constantly like a headless chicken in a Call of Duty match. Obviously both Marvel and DC have delivered multiple successful movies objectively. Waiting until something fails like She-Hulk and then using this to label everything else as a failure is objectively false and unacceptable humanly and socially. This is not about you having an opinion, this is you not understanding how movies, writing and marketing works. Which is w

Also going back to fighting games, once again, MK1 is still the best selling fighting game right now and the most played fighting game on PS5. Tekken 8 still didn't sell 3 million copies even after 1 year despite all the overhype that you guys on the interent did in favor of Tekken 8 and against MK1, and SF6, while is a lot closer to MK1, is still very behind it and also it was reported that potentially it only recently started to gain profit for Capcom, despite having a much lower budget compared to MK1, and despite all the overhype that you guys on the internet did in favor of SF6 and against MK1


So, mr. bomb chicken, thank you for showing for companies why they should never listen to people on the interent like you, and why the FGC in general and MK interent community, can't be taken seriously, sadly.
 
If "most players" dislike it then how MK1 keeps getting more and more sales and is still the most played traditional fighting game on PS5 even so many months after launch at the overall top 15 on that list? Yeah, you meant the vocal minority.
Jeez.

I said most players that dislike the game don’t even play it. Not that most players dislike the game.
 
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zerosebaz

What's the point of a random Krypt?
If "most players" dislike it then how MK1 keeps getting more and more sales and is still the most played traditional fighting game on PS5 even so many months after launch at the overall top 15 on that list? Yeah, you meant the vocal minority.
This was such an obvious typo that you shouldn't have been confused in the first place, but then he corrects himself, and you still get it wrong. Hilarious.

Never change man, never change.
 

zerosebaz

What's the point of a random Krypt?
  1. Black Widow (Taskmaster was written bad, but everything else in the movie was good and it was still very successful commercially). Budget of 288.5 million, income of 379.8 million.
Taskmaster was written excelently, if you had actually taken writing classes you'd know that.
 

Jynks

some heroes are born, some made, some wondrous
regardless of being bad or well written... the mcu taskmaster sure as shit wasn't Taskmaster.

I mean changing sex or race or backstory is fine... but there is not a single aspect of that character that is from the comics. I think you need to at last have the same powers, at the very least. The only thing mcu taskmaster has incommon with the comics is the name... that is literally it. MCU could have called that character anything, but chose taskmaster... why? I do not know but the cynic in me says it was to fool comic fans.

If they made a MK movie and Kano was a blue-blood 10th generation English aristocrat that worked as a homicide defective in Glasgow and carried a pet beagle around with him wherever he went.... people around here would be like .... what the fuck is this? That is MCU Taskmaster.
 

Vulgar

Kombatant
regardless of being bad or well written... the mcu taskmaster sure as shit wasn't Taskmaster.

I mean changing sex or race or backstory is fine... but there is not a single aspect of that character that is from the comics. I think you need to at last have the same powers, at the very least. The only thing mcu taskmaster has incommon with the comics is the name... that is literally it. MCU could have called that character anything, but chose taskmaster... why? I do not know but the cynic in me says it was to fool comic fans.

If they made a MK movie and Kano was a blue-blood 10th generation English aristocrat that worked as a homicide defective in Glasgow and carried a pet beagle around with him wherever he went.... people around here would be like .... what the fuck is this? That is MCU Taskmaster.
Friend, the Kano from the first MK game and the first MK movie are essentially completely different characters.

Things they have in common: a metal face. Killed Sonya's partner. Is a crime boss.

What's different: Everything else.

You couldn't pick a worse example.
 

Subby Z

Mortal
What does this mean? You’re mad at the game not me.

I’m having so much fun with it now… try it you might enjoy it.
Well I meant being mad at others for not liking this game. For some reason it just eats some people up that others don’t like this game.

Guess what though? You can’t make me. I don’t like it.

I’m glad floyd revived some of you guys hope. Lord knows y’all needed one win after all the L’s this game has truly taken.