these are the EXACT match ups I am trying to find the right secondary for, honestly it would be Ninjutsu but I don't do double variations, and it would be Hat Trick but hes flawed. Glad we agree on what Hellfire's weaknesses are. Except for Spectral. Hes ridiculous and we can't do a damn thing about it. What's a similar secondary other than Ninjutsu to cover these MU's
maybe JC
I can't give up my high damage combos tho... looking at Sun God Kotal and Cutthroat Kano, I don't want to jump on the Kano bandwagon tho but he seems to have it, wondering about Sun God tho, or would he just get outspaced by War God and DVo?
We're talking HF here Eddy. That's a good point about flame aura. She still has better armor even after the nerfs right?
you will flame up on reaction to a b1... ? right ....
I'm a Cassie player. If you could literally react to B1 in a frame because you are earthly vessel of the archangel gabriel, you still would get punished into full combo by B1.
The armor on the cartwheel got removed, so no, Cassie only has one armored move in hollywood and is punishable on block and works mostly as AA, aside from that her best move is ex nutpunch his has invincibility frame, but is heavily punishable on block.
I really don't like those too characters for some reason, specially Sun God, he does very easy damage once you get your throws on max tatoos.
The idea that Scorpion is unzoneable because of tele is pretty dead dude. In fact, if you wanna know why the Cage matchup is so annoying for Scorpion, trying to adequately deal with his fireballs is probably still an attributable reason (there's a number of other things as well, just addressing this specifically).
Hate to be that guy but this is all based on notions that shouldn't and don't happen at high level.
Lol, I should have made it clear. I meant flame up if you can see that B1 will whiff. Otherwise, hold that shit. I was talking about regular guns, nothing you can really do about iA guns.
ahhh ... so the Cassie player would be throwing out a b1 from fullscreen and it would whiff naturally for which you would punish with a flame aura and not a spear for example. IF CASSIE PLAYERS LIKE TO THROW OUT B1s FROM FAR FAR AWAY.Lol, I should have made it clear. I meant flame up if you can see that B1 will whiff. Otherwise, hold that shit. I was talking about regular guns, nothing you can really do about iA guns.
Which is why I said she's a problematic MU in the first place
It depends on how quickly the projectile recovers. I was playing a cutthroat kano online in about a 100-105ms ping and he was able to block every time I ex teleported his knives on reaction.
Are you seriously suggesting that every single B1 that a Cassie player uses will be absolutely perfectly spaced?
you cannot possibly 'flame up' to a Cassie B1 on reaction no matter where she does it on screen, whiff punish or not. if you meant to say punish Cassie for whiffing a b1, with aura .. I am now not sure what you wanted to say.
If you have a character with a fast recovery projectiles and is throwing it expecting to bait TP, you shall never teleport since the risk is on your side, instead try to trade their projectile (specially cage) with Hellfire (db2), if they take you out of your animation with their projectile, you get another free unblockable. which is far more damage then what they get with a projectile trade.
there is no reacting to those, i think dingo didn't explained himself well.
He can teleport after 113 cancel 1 too because scorp leans back while teleporting which makes him hard to hit... Or im slow at that. That was an example anyway. If you mean "just cancel and start blocking" sometimes i use 113 into nutpunch to bait poke attemts. But Scorpion just teleports back to get away in any case except ex nutpunch
Somebody uses to bait anti air attempt. "Nobody uses it" doesnt make anyone stop using anti air bait teleport.
I didnt say its imposible to punish LOL. Read again pls. Spoiler: "CANT ALWAYS".
I didn't say they were reactable -.-
MU numbers ARE theoretical, that's the whole point. The minute you pull up MU numbers, you immediately take the player out of the equation and assume both characters are playing to their max potential.
But what he is getting at is that you can't see the 11f b1 whiff and fa punish it on reaction, especially if it is in that fairly large range where the b1 may have actually hit (in which case you will likely be blocking when playing hellfire since you don't have a move to counter that kind if range in the neutral). And lbsh, that range is the ONLY range where a good cassie will be throwing out a b1. If you catch a whiffed b1 with fa it is essentially because you made a read (correctly) to throw it out and they also happened to whiff their b1, it likely was not on reaction to seeing the b1 actually whiff which does not in any way help swing that matchup into scorpions favor or to even. It is a losing matchup for hellfire.
