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AkioOf100

I play Raph
... ok...

anyways..


Black Adam. He’s really weird bc gr8 full screen presence, has much more consistent dmg output, similar neutral, lightning hands. I’m not sure what he’s missing to not win this?
 

AkioOf100

I play Raph
So far it looks like she gets beat by Atom. I haven’t had much trouble zoning her out with stomps, chemicals and random atomizer shots. Then Atom has teleport and trait to reset those situations.
Right he beats her without even using trait
 

SunsetBlvd

Proven Nappa GOD, 100% VERIFIED Best Nappa NA
So far I think Aquaman is gonna be really annoying
i played her like 20 hours straight yesterday, one of the better players i ran into played aquaman and it went well for me but he switched after 2 games so this is very limited experience obviously.

one thing i noticed for sure is her mb roll got me in when his ftd normally tracks. idk but i'm pretty sure i've been tracked on other chars when i use it. it definitely didnt with her and since her mb roll is s tier, it puts you right next to aquaboy while he's still in recovery on ftd leading to punish. do this once or twice and it becomes harder for him to spam ftd. also gate does reflect his toss i think.

other than that i had good success just abusing air dash on ftd reads. either my reads were good or his were very bad because it seemed pretty easy. i guess the my strategy going forward (other than just pick atro) is try to make reads on ftd with air dashes and mb rolls, make him scared to use it, then have more room to operate in neutral. idk how good that is since "make reads" is usually a flimsy strategy and his d2 is rough but mb roll for enchanter is undeniably really good, almost like a separate move itself.

i dont honestly see aqua much anymore but on paper it seems like she has better options mid range than him unless i'm missing something. her shimmy speed is really decent and hovering in and out of his range to threaten w/ f2 felt okay to me. what does he have at enchanter f2 range to contest 11f? i guess his f2 maybe.
 

Knoterror

Kombatant
Right he beats her without even using trait
Yeah, I’ve played a few more decent Enchantress’s since then and it seems crappy. Like her trait in neutral is just not a threat to Atom at all and good luck getting a curse out.

Air dash is a little problematic but just leaves Atom to utilize red chemical.
 

Vigilante24

Beware my power, Red Lantern's Light
Everytime someone picks Enchantress, I just pick Black Adam and do Adam things. I can see this being a problem MU for her down the road, but right now lets just say 5-5 cuz she still has way more potential and day 2 dlc players are suppose to be bad. And all the ones I played were bad at using her.
 

GuerillaTactix

#bufftakeda
Even though Ga is actually a bad character, most of his community don't think so and upplay not downplay. so when they complain about a mu you can most likely count on it being a bad mu.
My post was probably a little dramatic. Lol!

Against Green Arrow her reflect does wonders, reflecting low arrows kills him as it will come back at him as a low shot so he will have to block or jump it. Also, some minion setups do a good job of stuffing his wake up options
What were you guy's opinions on the mu? Did he slide/jump in 3 alot to try to stop hexes or was that just some silly stuff that I do?
 
Everytime someone picks Enchantress, I just pick Black Adam and do Adam things. I can see this being a problem MU for her down the road, but right now lets just say 5-5 cuz she still has way more potential and day 2 dlc players are suppose to be bad. And all the ones I played were bad at using her.
High level players with exceptional footsies will do fine. Specially as her pressure evolves on knockdown. Mediocre players will just eat lightenings all day or hold up forward.
 

AkioOf100

I play Raph
Firestorm roasts chestnuts all over her. Every single one of his normals can punish her wakeup on block, all of his normals minus f1 has an anti-airing hitbox. Molten trap can be reflected by gate but u have to stand inside of the gate to reap any of the benefits. He throws projectiles faster than we can use hells gate. He mixes tf out of her and bullies her just like every other character.

idk i just feel like she doesn't have any hard o.s. attacks that do multiple things aside from her mb b3 and her trait.
 
My post was probably a little dramatic. Lol!



What were you guy's opinions on the mu? Did he slide/jump in 3 alot to try to stop hexes or was that just some silly stuff that I do?
I found myself stuck with just sliding and using advancing j3 to prevent her from hexing me, but like you mentioned in your earlier post, it made me very predictable.

Also, something I noticed in my matches was that Enchantress seems to be able to use Hell's Gate when reacting to arrows. The only exception I found was electric arrow.
 

Jinxx

9 Lives
So far I think she loses to Black Adam, Wonder woman, Aquaman, Starfire, Firestorm and Ivy. Characters I think she may lose to but not sure is Flash and Supergirl.
 

seveergg

The Elegant Swagger Beast
Everybody in here bashin my boy cyborg. Let me tell you why she doesn’t win this mu easily. Gate deflects his projectiles yes. But once she puts that gate up you can easily dash in and close distance with 23. Safe on block and once you’re in she has a hard time dealing with a good cyborgs plusframes and setups/traps. Also she is worthless in corner mid screen. By this I mean about the optimal range for brainiac. He can Nb midair diagonally and at a certain range it goes over her wall and hits her. Also her gate has a very hard time reflecting his rockets. From what I’ve played so far, if an enchantress goes full screen with her gates. You just set up a rocket or preferably a trait and you can easily get in. Sometimes they don’t expect the rockets to go through the wall and they hit. Patience is the key here. When she puts up wall you run in. She does technically beat borg in neutral I gueessss.. but I don’t find her too hard to deal with. That goes for a lot of matchups to be completely honest. There isn’t a single pro that’s actually good with borg at the moment where people can see his true potential. Y’all just too blind to see how not bottom 5 he is. Anyway its a 5-5 mu imo :D
 

Laos_boy

Meow Hoes
Just cause she can't reflect shouldnt be a MU changer honestly. Mainly because outside of that 1 tool she's a solid character with good fundamental tools similar to catwoman so not as broken.

Antyways. Adam doesn't seem that bad. She can compete in the mid range chasing him down is annoying but eventually he'll get cornered.

Ironically. Dr. fate seems harder than Adam. Reflect honestly has little effect in the MU. Which shows you. REFLECT SHOULD NOT DETERMINE THE MU. Fate can MB fireback and recover in time to block the reflect enchantress has to hold the 2 other fireballs
 

Tweedy

Champion
Even though Ga is actually a bad character, most of his community don't think so and upplay not downplay. so when they complain about a mu you can most likely count on it being a bad mu.
Okay I agree that GA is overrated but saying he's a bad character is the biggest downplay of all time no contest.
 
Alright, after playing some more GA, I don’t believe the matchup is as hard as I thought it was before. Although, I still believe that GA loses at full screen a vast majority of the time.
 

Revenant Zero

Death Comes
Enchantress vs. Aquaman feels like a 4-6

Tentacle Strike doesn't get reflected; Trident Throw I never tested but I assume it will be reflected. (I doubt any aquaman player would use TT outside a combo ender).
His water shield takes no damage from her trait
 

GJX7

Your Mediocrity Is Killing Me
Enchantress vs. Aquaman feels like a 4-6

Tentacle Strike doesn't get reflected; Trident Throw I never tested but I assume it will be reflected. (I doubt any aquaman player would use TT outside a combo ender).
His water shield takes no damage from her trait
Can he water shield the curses? Also, his D2 is a very consistent anti air against Enchantresses J2
 

Espio

Kokomo
The Enchantress match up is so weird from all sides from my current experience.

Like I think Beetle and Cheetah do great against her, but if she can get a good hex going it's super frustrating lol.

Beetle's flight can allow him to get past her hell's gate with his zoning and although she can check him after a blocked shield bash, but the damage differential is greater for him. She's not really doing much and he gets a punish off of her astral soul rip on block or at worst a shield bash check. He also can harass her on oki since her wake up isn't that strong. Her anti-airs are godlike though so he has to tread carefully. He can also navigate trait reasonably well but he doesn't want to stay far out because if she can get her hexes activated she can cripple your movement.

It's weird because if she can get started, it's a problem but if Beetle plays in her face all game and harasses her in neutral and on knockdown she will have some issues so who knows where this match up will go.



Cheetah seems like she does pretty decent against her due to leap allowing her to bypass trait and make it hard to hex her. I think I got hexed once while using her in the match up, she can't really space Then there's the oki game abuse but she's one of the characters who can consistently tag Cheetah out of leap if you're not precise. It feels like Cheetah does good at maintaining her optimal range versus her, but like Beetle when you get caught full screen by special disable hex that you're in dire straights.



Atom is hilariously simple in terms of how he handles her. Stomp regulates her counter zoning, approach, hell's gate and prevents her from getting as much abuse or mileage out of trait and even hexes and that's not even factoring all of Atom's other tools to screw with her. It's definitely a match up to be on the look out for and study very closely especially since she has her share of gaps that Atom can trait out of and full combo punish her for using.
 

Dankster Morgan

It is better this way
I don’t think Sub does too great against her but honestly I just have only used Aquaman against her so far because he feels pretty good vs her
 
Okay I agree that GA is overrated but saying he's a bad character is the biggest downplay of all time no contest.
GA has so many losing MUs it's so hard for me to think that he is not a bad character. He has some good counter picks but so did pre patch captain cold and cyborg. He is counter picked so easily and by a large section of the cast. I literally only use my GA in max two MUs (more like just one). it's not like I main him and say he's a bad character, I truly believe he is a bad character.
But I do realize that literally everyone else doesn't feel this way so I will admit I'm a hardcore GA downplayer
 
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