Yeah you can position it in front, on top or behind.
Ah ok ok after DF4 they can't yeah I get you. Still it's 58 frames, they can see Shinnok's hand go "oooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh DROP!" lol.They can't that's what I'm saying! Say you land a df4 full screen - a pro will usually block in case you throw out another zoning tool. That's when you hit them with the first squish! Then if you use any sort of set-up in order to throw out the ex squish, that's 2. Then I mean you can throw them out after any ol df4. If they start running on wake-up then you keep hitting them with df4 or Hell Sparks. It's a full screen mind game man it's so good
Also when I say they can't tech, I mean that df4 doesn't allow it
Exactly that's only three strings...that are all still unsafe.
It's all about the mind games with the unblockable squish.
Agreed. When I fought @Youphemism those hand smashes were honestly pretty tricky to deal with. Granted I had never fought a Necromancer prior, but still.It's a conditioning thing. If you get them across screen then you can throw a few df4's or bf2's at them so they'll block on wake-up. It's tricky for people to react to a hand when they're so used to blocking on wake-up. Also, no one really expects you to walk up and throw out an unblockable hand
You used to be able to make them safe is what i'm saying. Saying there is a gap so there's no point doesn't make sense, should cassie players never use b1,2,4 cause there is a gap?
Yeah I get that and I obviously try and throw it in when I can myself but any normal person can react to 58 frames which is why although conditioning can work to an extent it won't work on a good player who knows what the hand animation looks like, or at least it doesn't work for me when I'm playing good people that know the animation. It's worked on good players that didn't know the animation but once they knew what it looked like I rarely ever hit it again because it's so easy to react to :/ I think we get away with it now because noone knows the Necromancer matchup because noone really plays it much but once people get matchup experience and know hand is a thing it'll become a lot harder to ever land a hand.It's a conditioning thing. If you get them across screen then you can throw a few df4's or bf2's at them so they'll block on wake-up. It's tricky for people to react to a hand when they're so used to blocking on wake-up. Also, no one really expects you to walk up and throw out an unblockable hand
But you're not making them safe because there's a gap in between them. Safe means unpunishable, either from having no gap or being -5 or higher on block. I didn't say there was no point in doing it so stop putting words in my mouth, I just said it wasn't safe.
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I actually think he is now. After a long history of constant denying and debating, I'd say he has top 5 potential for sure. Shinnok as a character is pretty beastly. Even Necro is solid
top 5? with Kobu Tanya, Pred, Tempest Lao, Summoner Quan, Cassie and all those guys in the game? I mean, he is good, but far from S tier in my opinion.
That was my top 5 for the absolute longest time but I'm currently unsure how good Predator is now. I know losing his mid hurt him a bit. If I find out he's still godlike then I'll take Shinnok right out of there but until then I'd totally throw him in S - top of A+ at the very least.
well imo pred is top1, just saying...
With BF3 being almost twice as fast and still leading to an alright amount of damage/good positioning I don't think that would do much for him. 22 frames is pretty slow... I think really they should improve his Necro zoning tools because right now they're kinda mediocre.
You need to keep in mind that buffing Shinnok's general stuff buffs Bone Shaper which is already really good lol. Not that NRS cared about that when they nerfed Hell Sparks and in turn nerfed Necro #RIPJailingFlick
That would make a huge difference, but it is part of the Bone Shaper variation and I doubt that they would transfer a variation-specific string to all three variations.
But that's a Bone Shaper string, that's the whole point lol. Necro's about zoning, it doesn't need rushdown tools.
he does need it tbh. that variation is terrible.
F41D2U2 wouldn't help Necromancer though...but a faster Flick to help its tracking problems and a safe(r) DF4 would.
