Really lame. I zone him out and take every opportunity to call ankhs, I never use trait in it unless its a hit confirmed punish.@OmGxBdON how do u handle the superman MU? it still seems 3-7
Jesus... we gotta work waaay more than himReally lame. I zone him out and take every opportunity to call ankhs, I never use trait in it unless its a hit confirmed punish.
Once he goes for air lasers, I jump it and release the ankhs while airborne. On hit or block you get a free orb out. From here the Superman player will attempt to jump over it but you can MB it while airborne which gives you time to call more ankhs and repeat the process. Also, MB ankh is great here since it let's you walk back and whiff punish f23 or restart the zoning.
I disagree with Black Adam (4-6), Supergirl (4-6), Catwoman (4-6/3-7), Harley (5-5).After Patch matchup chart impressions so far. Fate is looking reealllyy strong now.
Aquaman: 6-4
Atrocitus: 5-5
Bane: 6-4
Batman: 5-5
Black Adam 5-5
Black Canary 6-4
Blue Beetle: 5-5
Brainiac 5-5:
Captain Cold 7-3:
Catwoman 5-5
Cheetah 5-5
Cyborg 6-4
Darkseid: 5-5
Deadshot: 3-7
Doctor Fate: 5-5
FireStorm: 6-4
Flash: 6-4
Grodd: 6-4
Green Arrow: 6-4
Green Lantern: 6-4
Harley: 6-4
Joker: 7-3
Poison Ivy: 6-4
Red Hood: 5-5
Robin: 6-4
Scarecrow: 5-5
Sub-Zero: 5-5
Supergirl: 5-5
Superman: 4-6
Swampthing: 7-3
Wonder Woman: 6-4
Feel free to ask questions.
Very nice. I think Cheetah may still be tough but the b2 buff makes it a million times better than it was.After Patch matchup chart impressions so far. Fate is looking reealllyy strong now.
Aquaman: 6-4
Atrocitus: 5-5
Bane: 6-4
Batman: 5-5
Black Adam 5-5
Black Canary 6-4
Blue Beetle: 5-5
Brainiac 5-5:
Captain Cold 7-3:
Catwoman 5-5
Cheetah 5-5
Cyborg 6-4
Darkseid: 5-5
Deadshot: 3-7
Doctor Fate: 5-5
FireStorm: 6-4
Flash: 6-4
Grodd: 6-4
Green Arrow: 6-4
Green Lantern: 6-4
Harley: 6-4
Joker: 7-3
Poison Ivy: 6-4
Red Hood: 5-5
Robin: 6-4
Scarecrow: 5-5
Sub-Zero: 5-5
Supergirl: 5-5
Superman: 4-6
Swampthing: 7-3
Wonder Woman: 6-4
Feel free to ask questions.
I use yellow ankhs when he tries to zone me and red when hes close. If hes zoning me and im in red i mb roll his air laser and do b2 f2df1df3 far b3 jump 3 f2glyph. Before the patch i would rely on jump 1 for supes jumps and jump dash ins. Now that b2 is really good ill use that in stead. iMO that changed the MU drastically@OmGxBdON how do u handle the superman MU? it still seems 3-7
Should be even or slightly in her favor because catwoman doesn't win from fullscreen anymore with safe armored catdash. She can still dodge projectiles and build meter from full screen but that doesn't get her in. Yes, she low profiles df1 and her j2 will punish a fireball into a combo from 2/3 screen (despite CW players claiming she gets zoned out now cause they can't mash out catdash without thinking) but orb freeze will keep her in check by taking away j2 or low profile into full combo. I could also suggest zoning with yellow ankhs but her forward walkspeed is so good that she literally just walks out of them. So pretty much use df1 to control the horizontal space as she works her way in and use orb freeze to stop her approach completely (i.e. J2) and reset the scenario back to zoning her.Thoughts on how Catwoman mu will be after patch? J2 still going to be prob IMO even with new b2, same with her b3 low profiling, yes it's easier to whiff punish now but she already dodging df1 with her small hitbox/evade handy enough
Yes this is another one I was kinda curious about..In vanilla this was a MU where doctor fate had to respect literally every one of darkseids options and Darkseid had to respect none of fates except for f2 push loops on block. The added reality that we couldn't anti air the teleport reliably was painful like literally a 7-3.Why is Darkseid 5-5?
My dude this MU was 5-5 possible 6-4 at the highest level and now its prob 6-4 for sure.Yes this is another one I was kinda curious about..In vanilla this was a MU where doctor fate had to respect literally every one of darkseids options and Darkseid had to respect none of fates except for f2 push loops on block. The added reality that we couldn't anti air the teleport reliably was painful like literally a 7-3.
After the patch, we have the ability to reliably antiair the tele with b2, do more damage and the ability to also abuse f2 push on block even more now so the MU got easier, but even still there are many options of Doctor fates that Darkseid doesn't really have trouble with like orb freeze and df1 cause he simply jumps over it and does an ex laser or a teleport (not to mention Darkseid has better meter build against us at full screen).
Yes b2 finally gave us a real answer to Darkseids teleport but I don't know it's enough to make it even. Doctor fate wins from mid range and it seems balanced from full screen but this isn't a good way to measure the MU since Darkseid doesn't utilize screen space in a traditional way like other characters.
It's just a very awkward MU where you have to fight it differently from any other MU, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's bad, especially after the patch, just not sure that it's even either.
The shirt and simple answer is that MB roll through air lasers, and he can can't really stop f2 glyph abuse since he lacks the range; even his armor'd b3 gets stuffed.Yes this is another one I was kinda curious about..In vanilla this was a MU where doctor fate had to respect literally every one of darkseids options and Darkseid had to respect none of fates except for f2 push loops on block. The added reality that we couldn't anti air the teleport reliably was painful like literally a 7-3.
After the patch, we have the ability to reliably antiair the tele with b2, do more damage and the ability to also abuse f2 push on block even more now so the MU got easier, but even still there are many options of Doctor fates that Darkseid doesn't really have trouble with like orb freeze and df1 cause he simply jumps over it and does an ex laser or a teleport (not to mention Darkseid has better meter build against us at full screen).
Yes b2 finally gave us a real answer to Darkseids teleport but I don't know it's enough to make it even. Doctor fate wins from mid range and it seems balanced from full screen but this isn't a good way to measure the MU since Darkseid doesn't utilize screen space in a traditional way like other characters.
It's just a very awkward MU where you have to fight it differently from any other MU, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's bad, especially after the patch, just not sure that it's even either.
Got any match footage against Darkseid? I would probably only need to see one match. I'm sure there's not much to it but I must be playing it slightly wrong.My dude this MU was 5-5 possible 6-4 at the highest level and now its prob 6-4 for sure.
No not really. I mean if ure lookin for match then u could watch me play cdjr in reos koth from yesterdayGot any match footage against Darkseid? I would probably only need to see one match. I'm sure there's not much to it but I must be playing it slightly wrong.
Sure, mostly just wanna know if/when you build ankhs and when you activate trait since this mu is pretty unique in terms of how you fight it relative to our other MUs.No not really. I mean if ure lookin for match then u could watch me play cdjr in reos koth from yesterday
SHHHHHHHHHHH, you'll get him nerfed.@OmGxBdON Is our matchup finalized? Or do you have something to add. Because I truly believe Fate only has 3 bad matchups; Catwoman, Superman, Deadshot.
He's in the top 10 for sure, and I wouldn't be surprised if he is actually top 5.
Oh yeah you're right, better tell Bdon to stop playing the character.SHHHHHHHHHHH, you'll get him nerfed.
Haven't you seen what they did to Bladam and Aquamang?
I dont think superman is that bad anymore. Supergirl should definently be in there for his worst and cw is debatable atm cuz not enough MU experience. Theres also cheetah but havent played it either. Id say deadshot supergirl and possibly cheetah but sont know yet@OmGxBdON Is our matchup finalized? Or do you have something to add. Because I truly believe Fate only has 3 bad matchups; Catwoman, Superman, Deadshot.
He's in the top 10 for sure, and I wouldn't be surprised if he is actually top 5.
Cheetah feels extremely even. Stand inside orb, call ankhs and release them if she stays in predator stance, anti air with j1 when she takes to the sky, etc. She bullies us on knockdown though.O
I dont think superman is that bad anymore. Supergirl should definently be in there for his worst and cw is debatable atm cuz not enough MU experience. Theres also cheetah but havent played it either. Id say deadshot supergirl and possibly cheetah but sont know yet