Superman still sucks super bad (pun unintended). Batman's still kinda shitty too. At least they can't backdash wakeup for free anymore provided you end combo's in BF2, but if you mistime even a little they'll still escape pretty easily.
Superman is manageable, IMO. He has few options when knocked down as Bane can simply d2 both of them (microstep into d2xxgrab serves as a really effective option select), 11 can be used to challenge Superman pressing buttons after breath, and Superman does not have very good armor breaking outside of his trait. Just have to manage your trait with his in this MU.
Play my Bane. Every button you push will work 100% of the time because that matchup is the worst. I’d rather fight a Brainiac or Beetle than a Wonder Woman every time.
They're all equally bad. Superman's wakeups are trash but are still two grab immune wakeups, and his backdash still works if used correctly in the matchup. Supes zoning is still bad and his trait is still a direct counter to Bane's game completely with a short cooldown, 11 will always get challenged by Supes D1 after a breath since it's guaranteed, F23xx4 pressure is difficult for Bane to deal with, as with all characters without a 6 frame move and Superman matches him in damage easily.
Shield toss is cancer, D2 is cancer, J3 is cancer, damage is cancer, wakeups are cancer. If you move at the wrong time and get hit by a MB shield have fun taking 400 damage back to fullscreen and getting shield toss'd again.
what makes shield toss so good in this mu? also isnt she super minus on it on block?
Take my advice with a grain of salt due to my experience, but I believe IA shield toss is way less negative than normal, and delaying the MB also does the same for both grounded and air shield toss. It can have a gap for Bane to armour through if delayed for long enough but it has to be like a really long delay, and option selecting raging charge is awkward for me personally since it's BF1.
He can’t duck the mb part. It’s no longer a guessing game, Bane has to respect it all the time
I thought the MB part hits everyone ducking.
Honestly I haven’t played a Wonder Woman in a long time, I could be completely wrong. Pretty sure it’s a high though
It is a high but I don't think anyone can duck it since the first hit is a mid. I tested with Cat lady and it her ducking on block too so I guess no one can duck it lmao.
I’m still pissed about it.
She can choose not to MB it, which is obviously way more unsafe, but if you sit there waiting for a MB part she just got away for free and can throw another one for free as well. If you decide to try and move and she does MB it you'll get hit and get BF1'd or hit by another shield which may full combo you if she decides to spend a second bar.
Never really seen anyone make this look like a 5-5. Braniac controls the pacing in thus MU and the risk/reward on getting in/getting offense started never seems to be in Bane’s favor. Scar vs. Grr is a recent example of how to play the MU to make it frustrating for Bane.
Supes d1 after breath is not free, b2 will low crush it into a full combo on a read. His wake ups being grab immune are irrelevant, d1 and d2 checks are free so we can condition him to sit there for the grab. Also if he wakes up dp on an immediate grab we recover first and can punish it with 113. This mu is honestly a soft 6-4 now, its not bad at all
I am also saying it's a 6-4