Match Footage Cyblax vs Sektor Discussion/Questions w footage

[PPJ]

robo sektor's upmissiles can duck under things like scorpion's tele and kabal iagb

 

[Red Reaper]

I prefer Cyrax instead of Cyblax in general, but especially against characters with fast projectiles like Sektor, Freddy, Kabal, etc..

Kompared to most of the kast Sektor's missiles aren't really that fast. It's slower start up that Baraka (but much better recovery) and it travels slower than most (which actually benefits him in someways since people have to delay their movement).

robo sektor's upmissiles can duck under things like scorpion's tele and kabal iagb

Yeah, it bothers me how useless it is to up missile under gas blasts.. Damn Kabal.

 

[LEGEND]

Then the robotic version is better?

Human Sektors lower missle is a big deal vs freddy since he cant NMS or Ground spike under them, and His AA BnB does about 5% more Then robo. So i'd say his human version is better

the up Missile stuff isnt a big deal

 

[GGA HAN]

Just a few things I noticed from the Cyrax point of view...

1) If you net sektor in the air, human cyrax can do AA resets for pretty good damage. I noticed that fly was going for njp, b2, into 121 AA even with meter.

2) 1:55:17 and again at around 2:13:35 - something I noticed also was an attempted punish of a telepunch using the 21 and 12 string. In these instances, it whiffed most likely because of sektors small hitbox or it was mistimed. If you get used to punishing ball states with 33 into net, you'll thank me later. MUCH more consistent, doesn't whiff like 12 or 21 sometimes does.

3) overall needs more command grab!

4) shutdown the air with his AA grab, fly allowed pig to cross him over too much

I'll edit if I think of anyything else, but that's all I've seen from the H. Cyrax side of the MU.

edit: I saw fly drop a corner reset, going for the 121 ex bomb, close bomb, 3 x net. Its much easier to do it by hitting 1 instead of 3, then netting. 1% less in damage, but worth it for consistency IMHO.

 

[MashPotatoTower]

The teleport is indeed unpublishable. =D

Being immobile for 22 frames invincible or not does not translate to unpunishable to me
Plus they are going to beat what ever you can throw at them

 

[NariTuba]

Most projectile spammers stand at full screen, and I think Cyrax's far-bomb toss is the perfect distance to help him get in close. Cyblax's far-bombs go too far behind the opponent and his recovery is too slow. Cyblax's recovery from throwing a net is also slower than Cyrax

With Cyblax you gotta play it a little different. Use the mid bomb by dashing in to throw it and dashing back to lock the screen. From there you get a free AAt, a teleport or a close bomb, depending on what they do, to either continue zoning or get in.

Best use for the teleport is to bait specials or normals and teleport in to whiff punish.

The recovery for Cyrax and Cyblax net is the same according to the frame data

 

[TONY-T]

Cyblax teleport is punishable, ive had my friend and i test it. he used kung laos spin and was able to punish it. the timing is very strict though! im not sure if the full cast can punish it, but id asume a vast majority probably can, but its very hard to do so..

 

[scarsunseen]

Being immobile for 22 frames invincible or not does not translate to unpunishable to me
Plus they are going to beat what ever you can throw at them

GAH. I SAID PUBLISHABLE, NOT PUNISHABLE! rofl people can't read.

 

[LEGEND]

if i read the frame data correctly it would seem that Cyblax has a 2 frame window that he is vulnerable, Since the teleport recovers for 24 frames after he gets to the other side and he only has 22 frames of invincibility at that point. So i guess plenty of moves can be used to punish the Tele if timed properly

Can anyone confirm this?
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Pig Of The Hut
TONY-T
Red Reaper

 

[Lt. Boxy Angelman]

cyblax teleport can be punished before he does it that's about it I think. no invincibility frames on startup

This is correct.

Telepoooooooooooooooooof <3

Can't wait to see this.

 

[EGP Wonder_Chef]

if i read the frame data correctly it would seem that Cyblax has a 2 frame window that he is vulnerable, Since the teleport recovers for 24 frames after he gets to the other side and he only has 22 frames of invincibility at that point. So i guess plenty of moves can be used to punish the Tele if timed properly

Can anyone confirm this?
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Pig Of The Hut
TONY-T
Red Reaper

As far as I can tell from my testing, whatever move you use has to hit it's first frame within those two frames, otherwise the hit won't connect at all. It's really hard.

 

[LEGEND]

As far as I can tell from my testing, whatever move you use has to hit it's first frame within those two frames, otherwise the hit won't connect at all. It's really hard.

Shout outs to Safe-on-block Launchers

 

[EGP Wonder_Chef]

Shout outs to Safe-on-block Launchers

Yeah but the problem is it does a thing where Cyrax doesn't even have to block it, so a lot of stuff will actually whiff completely through his body and get full punished. It's a really scary situation.

 

[LEGEND]

Yeah but the problem is it does a thing where Cyrax doesn't even have to block it, so a lot of stuff will actually whiff completely through his body and get full punished. It's a really scary situation.

Yaay Cyrax. . . . .

 

[Red Reaper]

if i read the frame data correctly it would seem that Cyblax has a 2 frame window that he is vulnerable, Since the teleport recovers for 24 frames after he gets to the other side and he only has 22 frames of invincibility at that point. So i guess plenty of moves can be used to punish the Tele if timed properly

Can anyone confirm this?
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Pig Of The Hut
TONY-T
Red Reaper

You have to wait and time it. 2 frame window isn't that short of a window when you think about how long it takes for him to disappear and then reappear. (Six Frame jabbing Jax out of his shit is a 2 frame window as well.)

Reptile's Dash is harder to punish. This teleport is just scarier if you fuck it up so just punish when you feel komfortable and pressure when you don't.

 

[EGP Wonder_Chef]

Pig Of The Hut

I used Sektor against Krayzie's Cyblax in tournament yesterday (because LETHAL LEGEND told me to, and he's always right.)

www.twitch.tv/epicgp/b/352286287?t=43m12s

 

[Darth Mao]

Pig Of The Hut

I used Sektor against Krayzie's Cyblax in tournament yesterday (because LETHAL LEGEND told me to, and he's always right.)

www.twitch.tv/epicgp/b/352286287?t=43m12s

Great stuff, Chef.

 

[NariTuba]

Pig Of The Hut

I used Sektor against Krayzie's Cyblax in tournament yesterday (because LETHAL LEGEND told me to, and he's always right.)

www.twitch.tv/epicgp/b/352286287?t=43m12s

Chef, well played bro! That sektor is no joke man, you basically dominated the matches completely. Them IATUs on half screen nets were gdlk! Good stuff man, well played.

 

[EGP Wonder_Chef]

Great stuff, Chef.

thanks

Chef, well played bro! That sektor is no joke man, you basically dominated the matches completely. Them IATUs on half screen nets were gdlk! Good stuff man, well played.

haha cyrax can't net in this matchup at all unless he's reallllly close, it's so punishable by iatu.

 

[AK L0rdoftheFLY]

Great feedback guys. Im working on my cyblax and taking your feedback seriously.

Skarlet
Cyblax
Kabal

Quite the roster IMO

 

[LEGEND]

haha cyrax can't net in this matchup at all unless he's reallllly close, it's so punishable by iatu.

Unless the Sektor Player has a brand new pad with stiff buttons
/emo

Maaan. i still cant believe we had a three way tie

 

[EGP Wonder_Chef]

Unless the Sektor Player has a brand new pad with stiff buttons
/emo

Maaan. i still cant believe we had a three way tie

You would feel a lot worse if you didn't get to advance because of it!

 

[LEGEND]

You would feel a lot worse if you didn't to advance because of it!

i do kinda know how you feel. When i beat yours and Krayzies paper and was told i was the loser. . . for about 5 seconds before brian changed his mind

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

Pig Of The Hut

I used Sektor against Krayzie's Cyblax in tournament yesterday (because LETHAL LEGEND told me to, and he's always right.)

www.twitch.tv/epicgp/b/352286287?t=43m12s

thanks for tagging me on this, will watch asap

 

[Krayzie]

Hopefully I can get some H.Cyrax/Sektor footage today and tomorrow. I've really been messing with him a lot, and I feel like I have a legit play style with him now. New setups and better accuracy on my BNB's.

I was going to post some older footage with me and Red, but I feel like I've completely grown skill wise with the character since then.