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Continuation Rule has GOT to go

elLesSDee25

elLesSDee25

Mortal
Big Frog said:
Still don't understand why GF can't just be a regular set. Or at least best of 7 or more.

Is there a reason it's not just a regular set? I've never understood this...
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Its becuase to equal it out the winners finalist has to be sent to losers to make it even, so in all reality if the finals are faught out in the losers bracket if the losers champ wins the first set. That looks to be the idea behind it. The grand champ is determined in reality by being the only one not to lose two sets at the tournament.
 
Killphil

Killphil

A prop on the stage of life.
I think the issue here is that we're using two different standards for judging two different tournament rules. In double elimination, each match against someone is its own set, standalone, regardless if you've played the person or not. The only exception to this is the potential bracket reset in GF. I understand the sentiment that you may have "technically" won more matches against said person, but you need to win when it COUNTS. MLG just makes every win count that much more if you run into that person again. I don't fully agree with it for fighting games, but if starcraft and halo can't change it, we've a snowball's chance in hell of doing so. It is what it is, and its over now so....
 
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RagingNight

Kombatant
The main reason why the continuation rule exist is because majority of MLG's games take 20-40 mins PER MATCH. Grand Finals for LoL/SC2 alone could take like 4-5 hours if they followed the FGC's way of resetting the bracket.

Now they put the continuation rule and in the mean time implemented more advertisement and sponsors stream time and rely on that for their income and because of that the rule is then implemented across the board for all games. The only way this rule will change is if the viewers dropped significantly enough so that their revenue is hurt and forced to re-evaluate the situation. Because this won't realistically happen the continuation rule will stay in play until they feel like they want to change it.
 
A F0xy Grampa

A F0xy Grampa

Problem X Promotions
Its not that hard to understand. Players just need to know that their set with the opponent can potenitally be best of 11.
Its no different to bracket resets and can sometimes be easier than resetting a bracket.
 
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RagingNight

Kombatant
A F0xy Grampa said:
Its no different to bracket resets and can sometimes be easier than resetting a bracket.
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I highly disagree with that. Resetting a bracket can do work on the metagame, especially to a player that doesn't have strong focus and easily falls apart if things aren't going well.
 
Marvaz

Marvaz

come at me
Werent you guys all saying after last MLG how "good" this rule was cause the better player will win?....SMH
 
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RagingNight

Kombatant
Marvaz said:
Werent you guys all saying after last MLG how "good" this rule was cause the better player will win?....SMH
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Those people didn't understand that their is a meta game outside the actual game. There is a reason why so many of the other game communities wanted to ditch this rule. MK isn't the first nor will it be the last community to request to change the rule.
 
RiBBz22

RiBBz22

TYM's Confirmed Prophet/Time-Traveler
I don't mind the rule, it makes every game in the tournament critical to win even if you end up losing a set. A 3-2 loss in a set really means a lot now as you have avoided digging yourself a huge potential hole in the later rounds...All of the players who are going to reach top 8 in these types of tournament are going to be outstanding and capable of pulling these upsets, which has the potential for some amazing drama.
 
THTB

THTB

Arez | Booya | Riu48 - Rest Easy, Friends
Continuation rule isn't the best rule, but it does make every match matter, which is sorta cool.

If this is something they won't change for StarCraft, there's realistically a really tiny chance it's gonna change for MK9. Which sucks, but if we don't like it, our only option is not supporting the exposure and huge pots we want to be a norm.
 
FuzzySlipperz

FuzzySlipperz

IN TRAINING
i agree the continuation rule has got to go.... the only thing that should carry over to the next match is strategy and tactics... players should always have to be an equal ground when they fight each other ....going through the gauntlet of the loser bracket is bad enough but doing that with a boulder chained to your ankle is ridiculous.Yes the matches were more hype but only because how unfair the rule is to the first loser

i always thought MLG rules was wierd seeing how theres no reset in GF.....you could kick ass all through the tournament and lose once in GF even with no continuation rule in effect and get bounced while the other person lost already lol
 
Cat

Cat

This guy looks kind of tuff...
This was not the problem at MLG. seeding was! 3 Houston players in the bottom bracket? Showtime vs Starcharger first game? Me having to eliminate Showtime so soon? West coast players eliminating themselves so soon as well Cus of no seeding by region??? Silly to fly hundreds of miles just to play my training partner first round.
 
TotteryManx

TotteryManx

cr. HP Master
I like the continuation rule...it makes every match that much more important. Also, imagine if PL or Denzell came back from being down and the hype it would have caused...it didn't go that way, but you could imagine. I like it.
 
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garik16

Apprentice
A F0xy Grampa said:
Its not that hard to understand. Players just need to know that their set with the opponent can potenitally be best of 11.
Its no different to bracket resets and can sometimes be easier than resetting a bracket.
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Except it's very different than bracket resets.

First - resets can only occur in grand finals.
Second - resets are a natural part of double elimination tournaments - the rules of grand finals (and resets) don't change based upon whether the two players have played before. Resets simply exist because a player who's in winners can't be eliminated in a double elim tournament upon 1 loss. That's it.
 
Ashenar

Ashenar

Just a slightly above average player.....
I dislike the continuation rule but I do enjoy the 3 outa 5 format I think that's something they should stick to also the two setup deal on stream would be even smarter. Then again the continuation rule does reward the better player imo.
 
LaR

LaR

Apprentice
They wont change this rule because the rule is there to make sure the better player wins. How can anyone disagree with this its mind boggling there is no reason to change the rule unless you want to give the underdog a better chance.
 
NRF CharlieMurphy

NRF CharlieMurphy

Kindergarten Meta
Cat said:
This was not the problem at MLG. seeding was! 3 Houston players in the bottom bracket? Showtime vs Starcharger first game? Me having to eliminate Showtime so soon? West coast players eliminating themselves so soon as well Cus of no seeding by region??? Silly to fly hundreds of miles just to play my training partner first round.
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Arturo said he didn't know that certain players registered under different tags.
That isn't his fault ... he simply thought he was putting a WC guy in with you.

Thing is.... now that you all have shown up... you'll get seeded accordingly, which will break you up next time.
 
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Syntsui

Mortal
The person with most wins actually wins. I don't see the problem here, Denzel vs PL was mad hype because of this as well as JR vs PL. Detroit would have won it free anyway. You just need to understand that this WON'T change, adapt to this rule, every time you play a match in MLG remember that it you are fighting for your life at every single round. This is the fairest rule ever in my opinion. I don't get how a rule that benefits the player with the most wins is no legit. You mad at the rule? Well, just win and it's going to be in your favor.
PS: I was hella mad that PL lost to Denzel because of this, but guess what. He lost 3-0 in a convincing way and he deserved to pay for that. The hype died with him but fairness >> hype.
 
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