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Chew Bubblegum & Kick Some Ass! Cassie Cage Full Guide (DS and YQ)

GrimJack

GrimJack

Rock paper scissor specialist
Hor_PeT said:
Well in that case I will also re-evaulate that online + bad timing F4 follow up. That is huge though and probably good players will know about it (or just those who mash it already as they know it is good) and no more just as easy strong plus restands with Cassie.
But plus restand is still strong just not brainded into F4 and let's see what happens. :)

It is also Cassie's favor though as more options the opponent have they will try it and Cassie can punish it on read. As Cassie is plus the advantage should be her.
Btw 11F B2 should still trade with 7F D3 at worst but this trade would probably not that good for Cassie as with F4.
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It will low profile b2 as well :(
And off certain combos, you can't walk back out of range of their d3.
With sonya you can end combo with 2112 and take full screen.
The bad thing is you can't outzone erron :(
 
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Hor_PeT

Kombatant
GrimJack said:
It will low profile b2 as well :(
And off certain combos, you can't walk back out of range of their d3.
With sonya you can end combo with 2112 and take full screen.
The bad thing is you can't outzone erron :(
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(We could start collecting a list of the characters who can low profile it.)

I will check it. I already posted that I do not really like walking back with Cassie due to non-disjointed hitbox of B2 (+ not true mid) and that lot of people do D3/D4.
That's why F4 was a godsend but it seems it is not entirely.

I will check few characters and options soon.
And I may not use Cassie vs Erron Black unless I want to collect salt and losses intentionally. :) But for experience it can not hurt.

After check:
Erron looks doomed:
B24xxDB1 AMP, J3, B24xxBD3 (or S4xxBD3):

Instant F4|B2 are low profiled by D3
Walk back B2 in a range where D3 whiffs: another D3 low profiles lol as B2 can not hit. So a 2nd D3 can whiff it. I tried with different B2 timing. But of course if the opponent does something else after the first D3 (and do not block) B2 can catch him.
I could not do a B2 timing where I can hit Erron Black's in D3 recovery frames. Probably there is not in that B2 height - so true mid could punish this move.

I guess with other characters it is the same situation.

Throw is a true MID in that situation and if I pressed D3 instantly the instant throw of cassie could Kounter Erron's D3 (10F vs. 11F after +4). But if the Erron player has different timing D3 (e.g. he just do it a bit more late) it is low profiled as well.
So not that reliable.

However after
F41xxDB1 AMP, J2, B24xxBD3 it was a bit more difficult to low profile Cassie's F4 with D3. Maybe my Cassie input was more perfect. But still could just there were Kounters as well.

Well, D4 from Cassie can beat it but there will be big space and a DASH up F4/B2 may be low profiled as well later on lol.
 
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Hor_PeT

Kombatant
sars said:
Cassie can low profile it with D3 also
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I could not low profile neither with Cassie or Sonya after F41/B24 Bnb.
The best I saw from Sonya is almost hitting me with the animation but Kounter. Probably with 1 frame later Cassie F4 it would have low profiled... Or I was just bad Cassie/Sonya poker. :)

I can imagine that with Yaas Queen that 2 Frames matter! I do not know how you tested it.
I did it with DS +4 ender.

EDIT: I watched Sonicfox vs Scar with Sonya - He did not try D3 at all and Sonicfox did not even try to bait anything.
That does not mean it does not exist but could have seen at least once from Scar as Sonicfox did F4 mostly or throw.
 
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sars

Apprentice
Hor_PeT said:
I could not low profile neither with Cassie or Sonya after F41/B24 Bnb.
The best I saw from Sonya is almost hitting me with the animation but Kounter. Probably with 1 frame later Cassie F4 it would have low profiled... Or I was just bad Cassie/Sonya poker. :)

I can imagine that with Yaas Queen that 2 Frames matter! I do not know how you tested it.
I did it with DS +4 ender.

EDIT: I watched Sonicfox vs Scar with Sonya - He did not try D3 at all and Sonicfox did not even try to bait anything.
That does not mean it does not exist but could have seen at least once from Scar as Sonicfox did F4 mostly or throw.
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I just recorded the combo into nutpunch into F4. Than controlled Sonya. It’s a risk cause if your late you gonna get blown up. Sonic fox also doesn’t always do F4 after nutpunch. I saw him use a couple different strings. Also if Cassie does nothing it Wiffs and than Cassie gets a full combo punish. It’s risky but I think it’s worth knowing. Sonya’s d3 is also 7 frames that’s crazy lol. It is possible I was off but I recorded it multiple times so I don’t think it would of been off but possible. I’ll test it again tonight
 
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Hor_PeT

Kombatant
sars said:
I just recorded the combo into nutpunch into F4. Than controlled Sonya. It’s a risk cause if your late you gonna get blown up. Sonic fox also doesn’t always do F4 after nutpunch. I saw him use a couple different strings. Also if Cassie does nothing it Wiffs and than Cassie gets a full combo punish. It’s risky but I think it’s worth knowing. Sonya’s d3 is also 7 frames that’s crazy lol. It is possible I was off but I recorded it multiple times so I don’t think it would of been off but possible. I’ll test it again tonight
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Which combo did you record?
Yaas Queen +2 on block?

I tried with DS +4 combos.
Recorded Cassie then tried low profiling... The best I could get with Sonya was watching the D3 animation but stuffed by F4.
I assume 1-2 frame and it would have low profiled. I did not try with +2 ender.

Maybe my F4 was perfect but my poke attempts not. However with same poke method Erron worked.

I am not so convinced yet. :)
I know I will rather not play against Erron with Cassie haha.
 
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sars

Apprentice
Hor_PeT said:
Which combo did you record?
Yaas Queen +2 on block?

I tried with DS +4 combos.
Recorded Cassie then tried low profiling... The best I could get with Sonya was watching the D3 animation but stuffed by F4.
I assume 1-2 frame and it would have low profiled. I did not try with +2 ender.

Maybe my F4 was perfect but my poke attempts not. However with same poke method Erron worked.

I am not so convinced yet. :)
I know I will rather not play against Erron with Cassie haha.
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It looks like it depends on the ender. If you end an air combo in B24 nutpunch you can do it atleast with Sonya. If you end it with 4 nutpunch you can’t. Those are the only 2 I tested
 
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Hor_PeT

Kombatant
sars said:
It looks like it depends on the ender. If you end an air combo in B24 nutpunch you can do it atleast with Sonya. If you end it with 4 nutpunch you can’t. Those are the only 2 I tested
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I believe in you.
I did b24 nupunch though and couldnt. :)

I will check this Sonya again... I have a feeling that even 1 frame difference matters.
And online it is just enough for it anyway.
 
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sars

Apprentice
Hor_PeT said:
I believe in you.
I did b24 nupunch though and couldnt. :)

I will check this Sonya again... I have a feeling that even 1 frame difference matters.
And online it is just enough for it anyway.

Against Erron test I had the feeling that b24 nutpunch is a bit better than 4 nutpunch (kick btw) as b24 ender looks a bit closer to.the opponent. And F4 has more chance to hit as her leg animation is a swing from down to side...

But maybe it is just in my fantasy world. :)
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I don’t think it’s anything to rely on though. Still good to know. I mostly always ended my combos in 4 np cause it was more damage, and to me was consistent. Now I don’t have to worry about it.
 
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Hor_PeT

Kombatant
sars said:
I don’t think it’s anything to rely on though. Still good to know. I mostly always ended my combos in 4 np cause it was more damage, and to me was consistent. Now I don’t have to worry about it.
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And what.about your Yaas Queen 111 xx bd3 ender?
You will not do 4xx bd3 ender anymore lol.
 
Vslayer

Vslayer

Juiced Moose On The Loose
Lead Moderator
SpecialOne88 said:
Have you guys seen this weird thing where b243 randomly doesn't push back?

You know why it happens?
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I honestly never noticed, that attack has a bit of pushback but not a lot if I remember correctly. I'll check it out!
 
Vengeance135

Vengeance135

Saltiest Joker Player
I don't know about you guys, but I'm really starting to like the Yaas Queen Variation.

Also I have two new things to add if you guys are interested.

I found an optimal combo after b13

B1,3- S4- amped low gunshot J2 B2 nut kick. It does a little over 31%

Also depending on the MU, I've been ending my combos with 3,4 canceling into standing gunshot.

The reason I have been ending them with standing gunshot is because the 3,4 string sends them full screen and immediately starts charging your gunshots. I have found that doing this has increased my chances of getting the crushing blow from my gunshot charge.
 
Vslayer

Vslayer

Juiced Moose On The Loose
Lead Moderator
Vengeance135 said:
I don't know about you guys, but I'm really starting to like the Yaas Queen Variation.

Also I have two new things to add if you guys are interested.

I found an optimal combo after b13

B1,3- S4- amped low gunshot J2 B2 nut kick. It does a little over 31%

Also depending on the MU, I've been ending my combos with 3,4 canceling into standing gunshot.

The reason I have been ending them with standing gunshot is because the 3,4 string sends them full screen and immediately starts charging your gunshots. I have found that doing this has increased my chances of getting the crushing blow from my gunshot charge.
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I'll add that combo to the OP.

Good finds, I'll lab this later!

Still not on board with Yaas Queen tho XD
 
Vengeance135

Vengeance135

Saltiest Joker Player
Vslayer said:
I would be down with it if it would have bitchin' bubble.
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Honestly, I started using it because its hella satisfying to connect with a mb shoulder charge lol

Also, idk if you guys are using it or not, but the 2112 string is a hella useful tool to use while your full screen zoning. The gunshots do great damage and has no wet sign. I'm constantly catching people slipping with it. Throw in some standing gunshots and some lows and people get flustered.
 
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