Cage info for Cage players

[Dizzy]

Stickied this thread, I feel it is one of the best in the cage forum and had to go searching for it. There is some really good situational information for the discerning Cage player.

 

[MashPotatoTower]

Updated

List of characters where third hit of 11f1 will always land AFTER doing a F3/21. For some characters listed, the third hit will whiff after blocked ex fb. The number in brackets indicate which part of the string gets blocked. All the characters in the "midscreen" list will also work in the corner. Also, for some characters you must follow up 11f1 quickly.

Midscreen: Scorpion (23), Kung lao (23), liu kang (13), ermac (13), nightwolf (23, 90% of the time), jade (13), stryker (13), jax (3), raiden (13), shang tsung (13), sheeva (13), skarlet (23), kenshi (13), rain (13), Freddy (23)

Corner: sub zero (23), scorpion (13, 23), sonya (23), freddy (13)

Gonna do another list for characters guaranteed to be hit by 11f1 after ex fb.

Make a thread for this

 

[Playpal]

Make a thread for this

Thread's already stickied which makes a new thread unnecessary since the info is already on OP.

Funny, I forgot about that info.

 

[Dizzy]

Yeah, no need for a seperate thread.

Playpal somberness updated the framedata with cages xray being having 2 frames of invicibility, not 1 as thought before. If you could get around to updating that in the OP, would be appreciated.

 

[Playpal]

Yeah, no need for a seperate thread.

Playpal somberness updated the framedata with cages xray being having 2 frames of invicibility, not 1 as thought before. If you could get around to updating that in the OP, would be appreciated.

done

 

[Soul Bound X]

okay, after you nut punch somebody you can you can do b2 and cancel into fwd 3 pressure. on some players this works really well on and sometimes i charge it all the way and hit them with it. but on other player they seem to always know when im charging it all the way and dont fall for it. so i guess when i cancel out of it im not holding it long enough before i cancel. so how long should i hold it before i cancel out of it. just wait like a second after i see their blocking animation? thats what ive been thinking i should do

 

[Playpal]

okay, after you nut punch somebody you can you can do b2 and cancel into fwd 3 pressure. on some players this works really well on and sometimes i charge it all the way and hit them with it. but on other player they seem to always know when im charging it all the way and dont fall for it. so i guess when i cancel out of it im not holding it long enough before i cancel. so how long should i hold it before i cancel out of it. just wait like a second after i see their blocking animation? thats what ive been thinking i should do

I never go for the b2 mind games. After a nut punch, I either go for safe jump or dash and move them into the corner. I also try to go for 11f1 as it will work on most characters while crouch blocking. No more risky than b2 imo.

 

[Soul Bound X]

I never go for the b2 mind games. After a nut punch, I either go for safe jump or dash and move them into the corner. I also try to go for 11f1 as it will work on most characters while crouch blocking. No more risky than b2 imo.

i know that lol. i do that stuff. though it isnt necessary, I WANT to play the b2 mind game. so my question still stands for anyone who can help

 

[stamatis]

ex nut punch beats millena kabal scorpion x rays!!!!!!!

 

[crosstalk]

i know that lol. i do that stuff. though it isnt necessary, I WANT to play the b2 mind game. so my question still stands for anyone who can help

It really depends on the opponent and your ability to read what they're going to do. I'm not entirely sure if you can backdash from a b2 cancel, but this may be a viable option if you think the opponent is going to try to punish a fully charged b2. With Kung Lao, for example, you start charging the b2, then backdash to bait a spin, then dash b3 for full combo. Again, I don't really know all the properties of b2 cancels because I don't really use them.

 

[Soul Bound X]

It really depends on the opponent and your ability to read what they're going to do. I'm not entirely sure if you can backdash from a b2 cancel, but this may be a viable option if you think the opponent is going to try to punish a fully charged b2. With Kung Lao, for example, you start charging the b2, then backdash to bait a spin, then dash b3 for full combo. Again, I don't really know all the properties of b2 cancels because I don't really use them.

yeah, most cage players dont use it so i dont think im gonna get alot of help on this. i guess ill just figure it out.

 

[crosstalk]

yeah, most cage players dont use it so i dont think im gonna get alot of help on this. i guess ill just figure it out.

I remember seeing A F0xy Grampa and CURBOLICOUS use b2 cancels, maybe then can answer your question better. I don't have access to the game right now so I can't really test anything.

 

[Mikemetroid]

I remember seeing A F0xy Grampa and CURBOLICOUS use b2 cancels, maybe then can answer your question better. I don't have access to the game right now so I can't really test anything.

yeah, most cage players dont use it so i dont think im gonna get alot of help on this. i guess ill just figure it out.

B2 cancels are all about good reads. Most of the time people have the mentality of poking out of cage's pressure without even thinking twice about what hes doing.

However this gimmick leads to a huge risk of your opponent escaping your pressure and potentially getting a full combo on you.

 

[A F0xy Grampa]

B2 cancels are all about good reads. Most of the time people have the mentality of poking out of cage's pressure without even thinking twice about what hes doing.

However this gimmick leads to a huge risk of your opponent escaping your pressure and potentially getting a full combo on you.

No it doesnt, do it after a NP and you're good to go.
I cant recall any time I've done a B2 cancel and the opponent just escapes, against anyone.

You just gotta get a feel for how the other person likes to use their block button, more importantly, let go of it.

 

[GGA Jeremiah]

I have seen foxy use b2, cancel into x-rays and people fall for it. Good to use if you need a big come back.

 

[Mikemetroid]

No it doesnt, do it after a NP and you're good to go.
I cant recall any time I've done a B2 cancel and the opponent just escapes, against anyone.

You just gotta get a feel for how the other person likes to use their block button, more importantly, let go of it.

Again, you make really good reads. I for one don't.

 

[CURBOLICOUS]

Soul Bound X the b2 cancels are for good reads. They can be real good mixup games once you get good and you condition your opponent to respect your cancel. Also b2 into xray is pretty good too. Some people think they can armor once they see a b2 which you can't after Nut punch reset if you cancel quick enough. Its basically all mindgames.

 

[CheapEddie]

Soul Bound X the b2 cancels are for good reads. They can be real good mixup games once you get good and you condition your opponent to respect your cancel. Also b2 into xray is pretty good too. Some people think they can armor once they see a b2 which you can't after Nut punch reset if you cancel quick enough. Its basically all mindgames.

If u mistime b2-cancel u`ll be blown up even with 6f poke. Need to use it with caution, especially online against randoms.

 

[Soul Bound X]

yeah

If u mistime b2-cancel u`ll be blown up even with 6f poke. Need to use it with caution, especially online against randoms.

yeah but if you cancel early enough there is nothing they can do but block. but if you charge it longer than yeah u can get poked out of it. its just about making a read and cancelling when you think they are going to let go of block, or if you dont think they will let go of block then charge it all the way. i rarely get poked out of it honestly. i love using b2. its my favorite move to use in the game

 

[Parnak]

I have not heard that, but it makes sense. I know that F0xy was going over d3 randomly giving advantage and being able to follow up with f3

LMFAO first time I see this picture you got there with Johnny Cage & Sub, t'is damn hilarious!! Great concept, dat ice cream lol!!!