Bottom 5 Character Project

[PND_Ketchup]

I wish people would stop saying sektors shit because his strings wiff.

In my opinion all this shows is that sektor isn't supposed to be played aggressively. Something i haven't been doing since day 1. Using his UM after combos has the potential to jail them making his combos a lot safer and more reliable to do. Play him defensively and then go in after you've got yourself a combo and ended it in UM. You'll have better results.

Some people need to put players of that character into account, i mean this as in look at character like ermac for example. He's a very good character yet people say he sucks because nobody wins with him, and that's simply because many players just dont use him correctly. I don't mean to be offensive but that seems to be the case. I do think the same rule can be applied to sektor but in reverse. Just because his strings wiff sometimes doesn't mean the opponent WILL 100% punish him every single time he tries. It rarely happens to me and i rarely see it happen to anyone else.

Rant over.

 

[GNG Iniquity]

I wish people would stop saying sektors shit because his strings wiff.

In my opinion all this shows is that sektor isn't supposed to be played aggressively. Something i haven't been doing since day 1. Using his UM after combos has the potential to jail them making his combos a lot safer and more reliable to do. Play him defensively and then go in after you've got yourself a combo and ended it in UM. You'll have better results.

Some people need to put players of that character into account, i mean this as in look at character like ermac for example. He's a very good character yet people say he sucks because nobody wins with him, and that's simply because many players just dont use him correctly. I don't mean to be offensive but that seems to be the case. I do think the same rule can be applied to sektor but in reverse. Just because his strings wiff sometimes doesn't mean the opponent WILL 100% punish him every single time he tries. It rarely happens to me and i rarely see it happen to anyone else.

Rant over.

Well, nobody's punishing him for it, yet - that's the key word here. As the game evolves it's going to happen more commonly and I do agree with you that Sektor needs to be played differently. People tend to think of Sektor as more of a zoning and rushdown orientated character at the moment who can do equally well on both footings which is currently somewhat accurate but it won't be in the immediate future. Sektor has to evolve to overcome the holes, nothing wrong with this, but it needs to happen.

I don't think he sucks, but I don't know exactly where his footing is right now. His zoning isn't bad, his JIK air trades are ridiculously good due to being linkable to TU. The general consensus of how to play him, outside of your Sektor though, is aggressively where I feel he's lacking as do you. He's also extremely meter reliant and I'm trying to think of how else he's supposed to build up all that meter once people know the holes.

Quan Chi is great. But if I remember correctly, REO dropped him as well as CSZ for being unviable. Too many really bad matchups.

Fun character, very unviable imo. Wouldn't quite rate him bottom 5 but I wouldn't consider him tournament viable either.

 

[Vulcan Hades]

How is Stryker more tournament viable than Liu Kang?

Oups. I don't know why Liu Kang ended in there lol. Maybe it's because I just hate him so much.

 

[16 Bit]

REO played Quan Chi like 50 years ago. The character has developed since then.

 

[Vulcan Hades]

Liu Kang is almost a top 10 character. smh

Just for the record, being top 10 doesn't make a character tourney viable. Just like being bottom 5 doesn't make a character unviable. That was my point.

You can beat every character in the game 7-3, but if your character dies 3-7 to Kabal, Raiden, Kitana, Mileena, Cyrax, Smoke, KL and Jax/Sonya/Johnny Cage, then your character isn't all that viable. And that's the case of a lot of very good characters.

 

[GNG Iniquity]

REO played Quan Chi like 50 years ago. The character has developed since then.

The only prolific development Quan has had is the mayo trap, that's all that's been discovered as of yet. I think there may be more under his sleeve, but that's yet to be determined.

 

[Lt. Boxy Angelman]

REO played Quan Chi like 50 years ago. The character has developed since then.

This.

I'm stunned as to how totally disregarded Ermac is as well.

2012 = the year that 1.05 gets to bloom in full.
Methinks the results will speak for themselves.
It was not too long ago that the "Skarlet = F Tier" argument was running rampant.
Now after just a twinge of proper exposure, people are finally giving her some well-deserved props.
I believe the same fate lies ahead for Quan and Mac. Just a matter of who puts them on the map.

 

[16 Bit]

If you go 7-3 with even a few characters then you're not top 10.

 

[Z-911-Z]

2012 = the year that 1.05 gets to bloom in full.

The apparent hotfix will probably ruin it though and we'll have to experiment again.

The rumored hotfix may either be a godsend or a disaster waiting to happen, but I'm hoping it just gets rid of the resets and Kabal's dash cancels. Those are about the only things I want outside of some biased buffs for Kano.

 

[GGA soonk]

but I'm hoping it just gets rid of the resets and Kabal's dash cancels

um, why? they're hardly game-breaking.

 

[Z-911-Z]

Because they're stupid.

 

[GNG Iniquity]

Because they're stupid.

Sindel has levitate cancels, you'll see those soon enough!

 

[Z-911-Z]

The only thing that would be worse is Jax ground pound cancels or Kitana ass dash cancels.

And make way for the Kano ball cancels. The whole metagame becomes pointless mindgames!

 

[PND_Ketchup]

Well, nobody's punishing him for it, yet - that's the key word here. As the game evolves it's going to happen more commonly and I do agree with you that Sektor needs to be played differently. People tend to think of Sektor as more of a zoning and rushdown orientated character at the moment who can do equally well on both footings which is currently somewhat accurate but it won't be in the immediate future. Sektor has to evolve to overcome the holes, nothing wrong with this, but it needs to happen.

I don't think he sucks, but I don't know exactly where his footing is right now. His zoning isn't bad, his JIK air trades are ridiculously good due to being linkable to TU. The general consensus of how to play him, outside of your Sektor though, is aggressively where I feel he's lacking as do you. He's also extremely meter reliant and I'm trying to think of how else he's supposed to build up all that meter once people know the holes.


Fun character, very unviable imo. Wouldn't quite rate him bottom 5 but I wouldn't consider him tournament viable either.

The thing is, yeah you're right. Nobody is punishing him for it yet, but people complain about it now even though it's NOT what costs them matches. Until i start getting punished for doing those strings i won't really call it a character breaking flaw that makes him awful.

you don't need to be aggresive to win though, so long as you have offensive spurts now and then you can be defensive with sektor and do just fine, the speed of his normals really come in handy when trying to defend yourself.

 

[Metzos]

Sorry to break it for you guys but Ermac is not bottom 5 material.

 

[Lt. Boxy Angelman]

If you go 7-3 with even a few characters then you're not top 10.

Very true.

But IMO, a championship-grade player doesn't necessarily need a "Top 10" character to succeed.
In certain cases, anyway, as there are definitely some matchups in this game that, on a high level, I think are too difficult not to have some else in your pocket to handle, just in case.

Sorry to break it for you guys but Ermac is not bottom 5 material.

This.
I'm not saying he's the best, I know he isn't, but in the hands of someone who knows their matchups and potential/likely setbacks and how to deal with them, he's nowhere near the bottom.

 

[PND_Ketchup]

Sindel has levitate cancels, you'll see those soon enough!

The thing about sindels levitate cancels is that i don't see how they could be as useful as kabals, yeah she gets good mixups when she actually lands a hit on you. But she hasnt got a reseting move and she cant get her cancels off an air to air fireball. So if you're good at counter zoning, or keeping pressure of your own you could really abuse her as she has no armoured moves, unless she wants to blow her xray.

But i'm pretty ignorant about the character, i can cancel with her but i don't find many opportunities to do so. I'd love to be proven wrong and see some really sick sindel action in the future though!

 

[Metzos]

Same here. I really like Sindel.

 

[Crathen]

Some of you guys do not realize the potential of a character with a 6 frames jab hit confirmable launcher , 12 frames hit confirmable low launcher with sweep range , a 15 frames special mid jump distance range 0 on block and +6 on hit , a 16 frames special mid 0 on block with pushback +7 on hit while putting the opponent back at fullscreen , good anti air , great spacing , good zoning , good anti zoning with a 18 frame move that grants 30+ damage combo meterless and can be done on reaction.

He's fucking Sektor.

 

[Vulcan Hades]

Mileena and Smoke cannot counter-zone Stryker?

Please elaborate.

1. Any kind of reflect/absorb type move is pointless because I can just slightly delay or cancel my gun.

2. If I cancel gun into roll toss it will beat: smoke bomb, shake and make teleport whiff. If he blocks I'm in his face. If I cancel gun into jump punch or jump kick it will beat: smoke bomb, shake and land a combo on teleport. If he uses EN shake, baton sweep can kill it.

3. Any kind of teleport is just super easy to bait and punish with Stryker. I knock you down, and you see me take my gun out. What do you do? EN Tele kick or ball on reaction right? Too bad cuz I just canceled my gun into stance switch into block and now you're eating 30% combo that knocks you down and puts you into the same mind game + you lost 1 bar of meter. I just need to repeat this until Mileena is scared to telekick or roll. But then if she stops waking up with telekick or roll she becomes free to pressure or zone.

4. I can also cancel gun into instant D1 or D4 and that will beat all moves that hit high (aka NW's shoulder, Jax's dash punch, Scorpion/Ermac's Teleport, Cyrax's teleport, Rain's teleport). Better yet, D1 and D4 hitting an opponent out of the air leads to a 24% juggle combo that either sends his ass full screen or puts him into a reset.

And once they start respecting gun cancels then I can start zoning them more easily. You would not believe how many times I landed multiple gun shots in a row on Smoke, Jade, Scorpion/Ermac and Nightwolf players just because they were too scared to shake, glow, teleport, reflect or waste an enhanced move. But that only worked because I had conditioned them to canceling.

Ask anyone who tried counter-picking me with Smoke, Nightwolf, Kenshi or Jade. They know what's up.

Just to be clear, I do think Mileena beats Stryker like 6-4. Just saying she can't always rely on her "counter-zone" specials to do so. She has way better chance to win if she relies on her footsies tbh. D4 is more annoying and scary than her tele kick or ball roll. But it's not like Stryker can't win without his gun and grenades either.

 

[rpg]

Same here. I really like Sindel.

Theres hardly any sindel players too

 

[M_TRICKZz]

Why do people think sub zero sucks .................................

 

[Metzos]

Theres hardly any sindel players too

True.

 

[salvificblood]

Why do people think sub zero sucks .................................

Because they suck? Lol.

 

[M_TRICKZz]

1.Jade- Just.........ass and no fun lol
2.Kano-After the patch things just aren't the same
3.Baracka-I see potential and alot of it tho!
4.Sheeva-She's getting there
5.Cyber Sub-Has his ways to go.

And about people saying Rain and Sub are bottom five wth is wrong with you guys -_-? Seriously! I mean did Cd jr not show people how gud rain is? All the matches he played it never looked one sided although he did lose some! And did tom not win a major you jerks