Born On a Monday -- Solomon Grundy General Discussion/QA/Combo Thread

[GLoRToR]

If I'll play this, I'll likely main him. Looks like a rushdown character with juggle potential hopefully with a heavy grapple game because in the comics that's what he does. Mind you, the guy can choke hold Superman.

 

[Lazoruz]

I'm maining him for sure! If Command Grabs work like in other fighting games and can't be teched or blocked with him being able to chain throws he should be AWSOME! He also appears to have ALOTZ of health too. I saw in the demos he has a corps assist move where skeleton hands come out of the ground and hit and slow your opponent with is super cool, he should be a blast to play!

Solomon Grundy, Born on a Monday, Christened on Tuesday, Married on Wednesday, Took ill on Thursday, Grew worse on Friday, Died on Saturday, Buried on Sunday, That’s the End of Solomon Grundy!

 

[Lazoruz]

I was really hoping he wouldn't be a grappler, and would be a powerhouse filled with armor and a surprisingly fast move and here. I hope he doesn't have too many grapples, because I'd like to see Bain as the main grappler. Break the Bat, man!

Bane never was a grappler in most respects. He was a trained mercinary that used guns and explosives as well as had super strength.

 

[DragonPick]

Bane never was a grappler in most respects. He was a trained mercinary that used guns and explosives as well as had super strength.

Yeah. I've changed my mind about that long ago. :/

 

[shaowebb]

really grapplers in fg now come like brick walls

huge amount of health
untechable grabs
unblockable grabs
not much for mixups
main damage comes from grabs


KOF everyone has the same health
untechable grabs
unblockable grabs
ability to combo into grabs
grab gives you free jump in (depends on opponent)
high grabs
low grabs
unduckable grabs
ways to close space quickly
armour

Sounds like someone fought one too many Clarks abusing "COME AT ME BRO!" as their main gimmick. Pour on the offense and roll up to where there body lays and throw that move sometime. Most dudes try to use a wakeup and eat the counter straight off lol. As the announcer Hell Pockets says in his Schwarzenegger voice reserved for Clark matches "Ze Great EEEQUALIZAH!"

God that game is so good.

Honestly Grundy with a counter version of any of his grabs would be awesome. As is his reach on his standing one is pretty darned impressive. Most dudes won't be in range for normals to poke out of it at its max distance. Guys good at spacing will probably stuff anyone trying to special him off with that. Glad his speed got improved on some stuff in this build.

 

[Lazoruz]

I hope they take a few pages out of the great Victor Von Gerdenheim's playbook for this one

- Chargable normals for a "shock" animation, slightly better damage and range than the reg normal
- Various command grabs
- Charge moves, ie [d]u+k would make him jump up and crash the ground for a full ground unblockable
- qcb p, shock lariat. Jab version fast enough to hang with other character's projectiles
- super where he chokes someone out with his buttcheeks (optional)

Shocking animations? Grund is NOT Frankenstien, hes for lack of a better explination a Zombie, so the shock thing dosn't sound right at all.

 

[-Deadman-]

1:40

 

[Lazoruz]

1:40

Yea that was an apperatus he was rigged to in that game, not Grundie's actual abilities. LIsten to 3:02 the commentator will tell you what Grundy does.

 

[Briggs8417]

Grundy will probably be in my cast, I really like what I see from him. Command grabs, OTG grabs (at least I'm pretty sure I saw OTG grabs), air throws. Looks like a grappling ass fiend to me, I'm down.

 

[Owerbart]

So the command grabs are untechable?

 

[Zoidberg747]

So the command grabs are untechable?

Hopefully unblockable and untechable.


I hope he does some major combo damage. It would be cool if he was hard to hit with but when he does he should hit like a tank.

 

[69beastlyninja]

Grundy looks okay but man he is going to get the shit beat out of him by Cyborg. It's going to be like Sheeva minus the teleport versus Kabal with Kitana's fly away move

 

[shaowebb]

Don't forget guys like me who are maining Green Arrow. Can he even move fast enough to avoid the unblockable hyper arrow GA shoots?

 

[Owerbart]

Grundy looks okay but man he is going to get the shit beat out of him by Cyborg. It's going to be like Sheeva minus the teleport versus Kabal with Kitana's fly away move

i was the first one ever to sya how cyborg is going to be broken as shit.
still, NRS said he wanted more close fighting so I hope grundy has the tools to get in.

 

[DJ L Toro]

I just want to use him for his trademark suplex. LBSH how many characters have a fucking suplex chain grab in fighting games. Yeah, i'm a zombie
Edit: his suplex needs to be a parry

 

[Lazoruz]

I just hope there are good balance mechanics to make a large grapler like Grundy viable in turny play. We still haven't seen final how the new charaters like Death Stroke or Green Arrow will play vs. the larger characters and wher or not health/damage reduction abilities will be a fator. With Cyborg's heath charging ability (I have no idea what it actualy dose). and Grundy's chain throw attack/defence boots it will have yet to be determined.

 

[shaowebb]

I just hope there are good balance mechanics to make a large grapler like Grundy viable in turny play. We still haven't seen final how the new charaters like Death Stroke or Green Arrow will play vs. the larger characters and wher or not health/damage reduction abilities will be a fator. With Cyborg's heath charging ability (I have no idea what it actualy dose). and Grundy's chain throw attack/defence boots it will have yet to be determined.

Just thought I'd bring up this since it got mentioned inmy Clash system thread.

Meter can also be spent to rapid cancel attacks and strings, allowing you to keep yourself safe in the middle of your pressure and opening up new combo opportunities.

Grundy's big problem is he is so slow and scoutable he cannot do anything safely. However, his damage is off the charts compared to the rest of the cast due to his chain grabs and stuff. This means unlike everyone else who will be needing to abuse rapid cancels in the middle of their combos for damage that Grundy won't need to because he already gets that damage by chain grabbing. After all what good would canceling a successful grab do you? Likely nothing in most cases.

However, Grundy can use rapid cancels to stay safe and go for mixups by canceling swamp hands or seismic stomp into an attack or grab. Maybe his knife move or something would be a good follow up to cancel into since it moves him forward at a decent speed and lets him close the gap for a good high low to combo into his chain grabs off of such a mixup. You see what I'm getting at though?

TLDR version
Grundy's damage and reliance on grapple combos means rapid canceling in the middle of combos doesn't sound too important to him meaning he doesn't have to save that meter and can use it to front load his combos by using it to get mixups!
If this works then I am going to definitely make a back pocket Grundy because I love chain grapples and I love his animations and character. Get excited Grundy mains. Those rapid cancels likely will give you some really scary ways to setup stuff and get in.

 

[Xerclipse]

He seems to have a very very large hitbox. His chain grabs look very fun to watch but he doesnt look to pratical to me for some reason. Looks like any character can spam projectiles at him unless if he has a way to counter that. Not too agile but depends on how the player uses him.

 

[Pterodactyl]

God I hope he gets this an a DLC alt or something:

 

[PND i2 Gaug3]

I love what they did for Bane in the weekly thing, I want to see one with grundy.

Simply for my own personal pleasure and to see more moves hopefully something we havent seen yet

 

[Lazoruz]

Grundy and Bird Nose FTW!..lol I have seen a lot of footage of Grundy's game play, and from what it looks like he isn't as slow and cumbersome and you might think, as compared to say Batman. His knives seem to be sort of a "Reka Ken" type string (like Fe Long in Super Street Fighter 4 AE). As far as zoning goes his Swamp Hands move would hopefully have a decent start-up to contended with some of it at least (I hope). Guess we have 2 months to speculate

 

[PND i2 Gaug3]

i dont see his knives as rekkas 1) he doesnt move forward when doing the move, it's more of a static kl spin without the twirl, only thing it doesnt protect the lower body so podsibly aa move?

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[rpg]

Since he is the only zombie in the game of course im going to use him since im a zombie fan. =D

 

[shaowebb]

I hope the win quote for Hawkgirl over Grundy is the whole "Its over" sort of thing she did in Justice League when she took him down.

 

[Lazoruz]

I hope the win quote for Hawkgirl over Grundy is the whole "Its over" sort of thing she did in Justice League when she took him down.

Yea that was epic and pretty "SNIFF (wipes tears)" touching! I agree!