BnB, Max Damage, & Setup Combos Discussion [OLD THREAD. OUT-DATED]

[16 Bit]

What about the biggest without a MB command grab? Has slide/f+3 into u+3, u+3, f+1,1,2~mb iceberg, b+3, daggers been topped?

 

[kappie.wp]

What's the biggest damage you can get off a naked slide or f+3 that is meterless but then ends in a MB Command Grab?

I'll mess around with this this evening and see what I can come up with.

 

[Satyagraha]

What's KF's best tool to carry peeps into the corners, from distance/mid screen?

 

[kappie.wp]

Did a midscreen 49% 1 MB last night while trying her out for the first time:

JI2, 22~Slide, U+3, U+3, 22~Iceberg MB, JI2,2~Iceberg = 49%

If this is started with JI2, f113~slide instead of JI2, 22~slide damage is increased to 52% ... Not bad for a 1MB combo.

Glad it's weekend ... finally going to get some decent game time after work today!

 

[PANDEMlC]

Anyone posted this yet? Uses f1124 instead of ending with daggers. Not sure if it's better but it also has some backdash, and jump options as well. Curious how good this stuff is. I'm not aware of how good the f113 dagger ender is so maybe this is better frame advantage wise. Not sure what dagger advantage is since it's multi hit.

 

[Primiera]

f+112 is at least +30 on hit, possibly up to +35 with trait. That's enough to guarantee a high/low, but I'm not sure if it's worth the slight loss in damage and meter gain for basically the same setup.

 

[Law Hero]

Hm, d+2 seems to have some crazy scaling attached to it.

I've been trying to add moves to my air-to-air combos and was trying d+2 after j.3. Turns out adding that extra hit in before the slide lowers my damage output by 6%. Guess it's best to keep it simple sometimes.

 

[Primiera]

This isn't really "new" but this should probably go in the OP unless anyone has additions/corrections. I didn't include jump-ins or chains, they all go into BD3 anyway (except corner combos). These are the general paths off her main combo starters:

Slide/f+3

Meterless
(Easy) BD3 > U3 > U3 > f+112 xx DB2 (34%)
BD3 > U3 > U3 > U3 > 11 xx DB2 (37%)

Metered BnB
(Easy) BD3 > U3 > 22 xx MB DBF2 > NJ2 > 111 xx BF1 (39%)
BD3 > U3 > U3 > 22 xx MB DBF2 > NJ2 > 111 xx BF1 (44%)

2 bars (BD3 only)
(Easy) BD3 > U3 > 22 xx MB DBF2 > NJ2 > 111 xx MB DB2 > b+3 > BF1 (45%)
BD3 > U3 > U3 > 22 xx MB DBF2 > NJ2 > 111 xx MB DB2 > b+3 > BF1 (49%)

Super
BD3 > U3 > U3 > 22 xx LT+RT (50% ...)
f+3 > U3 > 22 xx LT+RT (43%)

Notes:
- These paths work for almost all her combos, since 90% of her hit-confirms go into slide.
- U3 > U3 is harder because you have to time your U3s high to land the 22 xx MB DBF2. Don't feel bad about skipping it online, it can be a pain to land 100% on normal hit-boxes offline.
- You can use f+113 instead of 111 but they do the same amount of damage and f+113 is far more fickle mid-screen in landing every hit. Either way, time your jump-in pretty low to the ground.
- f+3 combos do the same damage as or slightly less than BD3 combos. The 2 bar combos don't work for f+3 because of juggle scaling, she can't do jack off of MB DB2 to make good use of meter.

B3

Meterless BnB

b+3 > J3 > f+113 xx BD3 > U3 > 2 xx DB2 (41%)

Metered BnB

b+3 > J3 > BD3 > U3 > 22 xx MB DBF2 > NJ2 > 111 xx BF1 (46%)

Two bar BnB

b+3 > J3 > f+113 xx DBF2 > U3 > 2 xx MB DB2 > MB DBF2 > NJ2 > 111 BF1 (50%)

D+2

Meterless BnB

D2 > BD3 > U3 > U3 > 22 xx DB2 (27%)

Metered BnB
D2 > BD3 > U3 > 22 xx MB DBF2 > NJ2 > 111 xx BF1 (30%)
D2 > BD3 > U3 > U3 > f+11 xx MB DB2 > b+3 > DB2 (32%)

Super
D2 > BD3 > U3 > 22 xx LT+RT (35%)

Notes
- Don't spend meter on her AA unless you're going for the ice grab reset.

MB DB2

1 Bar
(Full screen) MB DB2 > DB2 (16%)
(Easy) MB DB2 > BD3 > U3 > 22 xx DB2 (29%)
MB DB2 > BD3 > U3 > U3 > 11 xx DB2 (33%)

2 Bars
MB DB2 > BD3 > U3 > 22 xx MB DBF2 > NJ2 > 111 xx BF1 (39%)

Notes
- If you're anywhere closer than 80% full screen, you can dash > BD3 to combo, otherwise you should use DB2 or just dash twice.

 

[rainuS]

Big thanks Primiera !

I dont know if its just my bad manual, but its pretty hard to perform

BD3 > U3 > U3 > 22 xx MB DBF2 > NJ2 > 111 xx BF1 (44%)

online. Instead of the upper one I try to do easier version with only one u3. Do you guys have the same problem or is my manual so bad?

 

[RiBBz22]

Big thanks Primiera !

I dont know if its just my bad manual, but its pretty hard to perform

BD3 > U3 > U3 > 22 xx MB DBF2 > NJ2 > 111 xx BF1 (44%)

online. Instead of the upper one I try to do easier version with only one u3. Do you guys have the same problem or is my manual so bad?

two U3's is pretty hard to land online unless you have an awesome connection. The trick is getting the first u3 to come out as early as possible so the juggle is pretty high.

 

[joshhetfield]

50% combo involving her special. Also found a nice meterless combo

 

[PoweredbyProtein]

I'm having trouble landing the command grab after 2 u+3s, I can only connect after omitting one. What am I missing?

 

[Primiera]

I'm having trouble landing the command grab after 2 u+3s, I can only connect after omitting one. What am I missing?

I wrote that in the notes. You have to land both of the U3s with pretty early timing; by the time you do your 22 xx grab, they need to be a little high up, unlike one U3. Online? Skip it, go for one U3 for sure.

 

[PoweredbyProtein]

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I wrote that in the notes. You have to land both of the U3s with pretty early timing; by the time you do your 22 xx grab, they need to be a little high up, unlike on U3. Online? Skip it, go for one U3 for sure.

Now I've got it, thanks.

 

[Ninj]

Thanks everyone for keeping this going. I'll be able to update the OP Monday evening.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2

 

[Eh SnOwY]

Maaaaaaan dat trait OP...

 

[Aya]

you can get 59% meterless by doing (trait) j.2>f113x5>bd3>u3>u3>22>db2

 

[Element_]

54% meterless is really ridiculous ,NERF lol

 

[Element_]

@ MK9-SnOwY......is it time to change your name to IGAU-SnOwY now?

 

[Konqrr]

MK9-SnOwY Use f113 over and over until the last one hits while the trait wears off and cancel into slide then end with u3 x2 into the normal reset and it's around 65-67%

 

[Eh SnOwY]

MK9-SnOwY Use f113 over and over until the last one hits while the trait wears off and cancel into slide then end with u3 x2 into the normal reset and it's around 65-67%

O__o i did not know this this was literally 15 mins in the practice

 

[Eh SnOwY]

Aya
Konqrr

Thanks.

Also could you explain the reset thingy? im kinda unaware of it

 

[Primiera]

Aya
KonqrrAlso could you explain the reset thingy? im kinda unaware of it

End a U3 combo with 22 xx MB DBF2 > NJ2 > 111 (or f+113, same thing mostly except it whiffs a hit or two mid-screen sometimes) xx BF1 into a standing reset with very good frame advantage for a very solid high/low. You can't always go into 22 xx MB DBF2, you need enough height to reach them and this is dependent on the starter you used and how many U3s you've done already ... and if it's online

 

[Splendid]

Not at all optimal but :
Midscreen 1 meter 11 hits (can't remember %, will edit)
f.1, u.3, dbf.2 [MB], 1133, db.2, bd.3

Silly Corner-only combo 2 meter 16 hits 26%
1133, dbf.2 [MB], 1133, db.2 [MB], 1133

 

[Primiera]

Not at all optimal but :
Midscreen 1 meter 11 hits (can't remember %, will edit)
f.1, u.3, dbf.2 [MB], 1133, db.2, bd.3

Unless I'm mistaken, the slide at the end should never work.