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Orochi

Scorpion Scrub
Well ya, because the best players like J Wong and Rico Suave are rush down players. Even Rico plays a rush down Fulgore. They wouldn't use Glacius because he is a pure zoner. They wouldn't use him even if he was the best character in the game.

Just like Doomsday vs Aquaman in this years Grand Finals MLG Injustice. There's no way Doomsday is better overall than MMH or Batgirl, but yet he makes top 8 quite a bit. Not enough high level players use Glacius to get him in top 8.

When it comes to tournaments it's about the players not the characters...just like I hardly see anyone beat filthirich when he plays Glacius. He dominates Rico and others I have seen. If played Glacius consistently at tournaments Glacius would not only be in top 8; he would have won a tournament by now.

I see your points (and you make some good ones) but I just disagree with you...that's all.

Good day, Orochi.
So many things wrong with your post i wont even bother lol smh. It's easy to make statements and predictions when you're an online only player, funny thing is i havent played since civil war on april and I'd probably beat you in a set ;p

You have a good one too!
 

JHCRANE 14

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So many things wrong with your post i wont even bother lol smh. It's easy to make statements and predictions when you're an online only player, funny thing is i havent played since civil war on april and I'd probably beat you in a set ;p

You have a good one too!
Well, like what?

I don't mind being corrected and admitting when I'm wrong!
 
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Glacius is not bad, and he has tons of setups, however, hes not on par with the top 3 and is lacking tools to win tournaments consistently. Here is what I believe are glacius' problems.

He lacks mobility (no dashing) and in a game thats super aggressive and promotes disrespect. thats already a major weakness. The purpose of glacius is to control space and make you inch your way in. Funny how at the start of the match before it even begins you can walk up to him.

He has range on his normals and air normals but they all have terrible priority and are easily stuffed. His lance has range but it has massive recovery and is super negative on block, also has terrible priority (try to meaty someone with a shoryuken on wakeup with it and watch what happens) and characters that can lower their hitbox substantially can negate the lance, Sabrewulf comes to mind. His ground shatters are telegraphed and can be jumped, dashed, or shadow punished on reaction. His hail is the best aspect about him because it sort of acts like an assist, but is not all that great. When he summons a hail you get a free pass to dash in due to the recovery frames, especially as sabrewulf, or if you're Jago and have meter you get a free shadow windkicks.

He can yoga snipe you if you get wreckless jumping, but in all honesty thats no big deal in this game. In SF you have to respect dhalsim's stretchy limbs and snipes because they do damage and will kill you if you get wreckless. In this game damage comes from combos. A few yoga snipes wont deter someone from jumping. I understand his design and concept having messed around with dhalsim myself, but in this game it just doesn't cut it.

He's also a large character and is susceptible to crossups. Free on wakeup and easily bullied. No real mixup potential. All he has are gimmicky setups that worked months ago but players are leveling up fast. At this point in the game the setups glacius has are unviable and easily negated. Only good setup he has is the combo breaker setup which is not unbreakable, it can actually be blocked and/or countered, but it gives you a nice little mindgame and can condition opponents. I give props to filthierich, he pioneered most of the awesome tech and still continues to use glacius and is probably the best glacius out there right now. Glacius is a good scrub killer or good against people that aren't experienced with the character since most of his offense revolves around setups and gimmicks. Once people know the setups and learn the matchup and learn how to counter his setups, it goes downhill fast.

Im not saying you can't win a tournament with him, it is possible, but the odds will be against you by a large margin and you will have to play completely on point and make godlike reads. With glacius facing high level competition, you don't have much room for mistakes like you do with other characters.
 

JHCRANE 14

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Glacius is not bad, and he has tons of setups, however, hes not on par with the top 3 and is lacking tools to win tournaments consistently. Here is what I believe are glacius' problems.

He lacks mobility (no dashing) and in a game thats super aggressive and promotes disrespect. thats already a major weakness. The purpose of glacius is to control space and make you inch your way in. Funny how at the start of the match before it even begins you can walk up to him.

He has range on his normals and air normals but they all have terrible priority and are easily stuffed. His lance has range but it has massive recovery and is super negative on block, also has terrible priority (try to meaty someone with a shoryuken on wakeup with it and watch what happens) and characters that can lower their hitbox substantially can negate the lance, Sabrewulf comes to mind. His ground shatters are telegraphed and can be jumped, dashed, or shadow punished on reaction. His hail is the best aspect about him because it sort of acts like an assist, but is not all that great. When he summons a hail you get a free pass to dash in due to the recovery frames, especially as sabrewulf, or if you're Jago and have meter you get a free shadow windkicks.

He can yoga snipe you if you get wreckless jumping, but in all honesty thats no big deal in this game. In SF you have to respect dhalsim's stretchy limbs and snipes because they do damage and will kill you if you get wreckless. In this game damage comes from combos. A few yoga snipes wont deter someone from jumping. I understand his design and concept having messed around with dhalsim myself, but in this game it just doesn't cut it.

He's also a large character and is susceptible to crossups. Free on wakeup and easily bullied. No real mixup potential. All he has are gimmicky setups that worked months ago but players are leveling up fast. At this point in the game the setups glacius has are unviable and easily negated. Only good setup he has is the combo breaker setup which is not unbreakable, it can actually be blocked and/or countered, but it gives you a nice little mindgame and can condition opponents. I give props to filthierich, he pioneered most of the awesome tech and still continues to use glacius and is probably the best glacius out there right now. Glacius is a good scrub killer or good against people that aren't experienced with the character since most of his offense revolves around setups and gimmicks. Once people know the setups and learn the matchup and learn how to counter his setups, it goes downhill fast.

Im not saying you can't win a tournament with him, it is possible, but the odds will be against you by a large margin and you will have to play completely on point and make godlike reads. With glacius facing high level competition, you don't have much room for mistakes like you do with other characters.
I guess your talking about the lack of a regular dash because his L & M Cold Sholder Dash are pretty safe on block. It is also an excellent way to close the distance when timed properly.

Also I never said Glacius was top 3. However, he isn't at the very bottom either.
 
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JHCRANE 14

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What do you guys do when you find yourself in a corner against a Jago or Sabrewulf and just can't seem to get out? All my wake ups seem to get stuffed, and I find myself guessing overhead/low/grab. Would love to hear some tips! Thanks in advance.
Block, cold sholder, puddle punch, shadow hail, and neutral jump to answer your question.

Be careful though and learn to use the right one at the right time.
 
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WakeUp DP

GT MK OshTekk.
Puddle punch is invincible for the first 10 frames and acts as an opener if it hits.

Worried about it being unsafe? Cancel it into EX hail and your at advantage.

Your good to go.
Ex hail is easily punished with a bar of meter.

EX puddle punch is good if you know your timing. You can even anti cross up with it, its not that hard.

But yeah with glacius you gotta learn to block and find openings to run away.
 

WakeUp DP

GT MK OshTekk.
Well ya, because the best players like J Wong and Rico Suave are rush down players. Even Rico plays a rush down Fulgore. They wouldn't use Glacius because he is a pure zoner. They wouldn't use him even if he was the best character in the game.

Just like Doomsday vs Aquaman in this years Grand Finals MLG Injustice. There's no way Doomsday is better overall than MMH or Batgirl, but yet he makes top 8 quite a bit. Not enough high level players use Glacius to get him in top 8.

When it comes to tournaments it's about the players not the characters...just like I hardly see anyone beat filthirich when he plays Glacius. He dominates Rico and others I have seen. If he played Glacius consistently at tournaments Glacius would not only be in top 8; he would have won a tournament by now.

I see your points (and you make some good ones) but I just disagree with you...that's all.

Good day, Orochi.
Wrong. jwong is known for being very defensive and he even calls himself the lamest player in the world. Next to Brady ofc.
 

JHCRANE 14

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Wrong. jwong is known for being very defensive and he even calls himself the lamest player in the world. Next to Brady ofc.
Wolverine and Saberwulf are rush down characters. Doesn't matter how he plays them. He could be the lamest player in the world.

Sure I could use Glacius as a rushdown character but he is still a zoner.

If you use Wolverine and Saberwulf your rushdown regardless of your play style.

That's what I mean.
 

WakeUp DP

GT MK OshTekk.
Wolverine and Saberwulf are rush down characters. Doesn't matter how he plays them. He could be the lamest player in the world.

Sure I could use Glacius as a rushdown character but he is still a zoner.

If you use Wolverine and Saberwulf your rushdown regardless of your play style.

That's what I mean.
I guess you only know Jwong for playing umvc3 lol.

But you are wrong about both players. Jwong and Rico are known to be very defensive.
 

JHCRANE 14

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I guess you only know Jwong for playing umvc3 lol.

But you are wrong about both players. Jwong and Rico are known to be very defensive.
Ok, you can be defensive and still have rushdown. Rushdown doesn't mean offensive go, go, go, all time. If you have to hit your opponent with a melee attack to score damage that is one of the foundations of a rushdown character.

There is nothing wrong or contradictory about a patient, defensive, footsie, rushdown play style.

That's like saying all zoners have to have projectiles. Most do but some don't.
 

WakeUp DP

GT MK OshTekk.
Ok, you can be defensive and still have rushdown. Rushdown doesn't mean offensive go, go, go, all time. If you have to hit your opponent with a melee attack to score damage that is one of the foundations of a rushdown character.

There is nothing wrong or contradictory about a patient, defensive, footsie, rushdown play style.

That's like saying all zoners have to have projectiles. Most do but some don't.
Oh pls do teach me how to play fighting games bc I'm only being playing them for over 20 years :DOGE
 

Orochi

Scorpion Scrub
Oh pls do teach me how to play fighting games bc I'm only being playing them for over 20 years :DOGE
Lol don't bother, he's right and you're wrong, glacius is a good character with many options we're just bad, he'd probably win a major and get top 8 every time but it's too bad he can't travel :DOGE

he's got sick timing and reactions btw he'll show you all!
 

JHCRANE 14

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Lol don't bother, he's right and you're wrong, glacius is a good character with many options we're just bad, he'd probably win a major and get top 8 every time but it's too bad he can't travel :DOGE
No, you guys are making him worse than he is trying to say he is the worst character in the game and that he has no options.

I never said Glacius was the best. I never remotely said I was right and you are wrong. I'm just defending Glacius because you give him zero credit.

Besides you never did correct me from earlier.

Anyways I don't want to start a thread war I just wanted to defend the bashing Glacius is getting, that's all.

Never meant to offend anyone.

God Bless.
 

WakeUp DP

GT MK OshTekk.
No, you guys are making him worse than he is trying to say he is the worst character in the game and that he has no options.

I never said Glacius was the best. I never remotely said I was right and you are wrong. I'm just defending Glacius because you give him zero credit.

Besides you never did correct me from earlier.

Anyways I don't want to start a thread war I just wanted to defend the bashing Glacius is getting, that's all.

Never meant to offend anyone.

God Bless.
What we are trying to say is that Jwong and Rico didnt pick their mains bc they r rush down players.

If you go back a few years you can see how defensive this two players are. They r not playing glacius not bc they dont like being defensive or zoning style. Rico mains Black Adam in Inj.
 

JHCRANE 14

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What we are trying to say is that Jwong and Rico didnt pick their mains bc they r rush down players.

If you go back a few years you can see how defensive this two players are. They r not playing glacius not bc they dont like being defensive or zoning style. Rico mains Black Adam in Inj.
Thank you :)
 

loogie

Kombatant
if there ever was a tier list ... even with fine margins - Glacius is indeed at the bottom.
Even with the zoning tools he has, he is still limited and distance can be closed down on him quite easily and once his knocked down he is fighting for air!
needs a backdash I believe, or somehow have his f mp move buffed...
 

JHCRANE 14

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if there ever was a tier list ... even with fine margins - Glacius is indeed at the bottom.
Even with the zoning tools he has, he is still limited and distance can be closed down on him quite easily and once his knocked down he is fighting for air!
needs a backdash I believe, or somehow have his f mp move buffed...
Whenever you would normally back dash with other characters to whiff punish use light puddle punch instead.

With Ice Lance, f mp; use medium cold sholder to make it safe on block. Occasionally cancel into hail to mix it up and give yourself a little bit of protection or shatter to make them jump. Other players will constantly try to poke you out of Ice Lance with meaty heavies. Be patient and hit them on there recover frames. If they try a meaty heavy and whiff there free; whether there jumping or not.
 
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Orochi

Scorpion Scrub
if there ever was a tier list ... even with fine margins - Glacius is indeed at the bottom.
Even with the zoning tools he has, he is still limited and distance can be closed down on him quite easily and once his knocked down he is fighting for air!
needs a backdash I believe, or somehow have his f mp move buffed...
I agree with this
 

JHCRANE 14

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if there ever was a tier list ... even with fine margins - Glacius is indeed at the bottom.
Even with the zoning tools he has, he is still limited and distance can be closed down on him quite easily and once his knocked down he is fighting for air!
needs a backdash I believe, or somehow have his f mp move buffed...
Well, here is a tier list. I'm sure some people will disagree with it, but it looks pretty accurate to me all things considered.

http://www.eventhubs.com/tiers/ki/
 

JHCRANE 14

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if there ever was a tier list ... even with fine margins - Glacius is indeed at the bottom.
Even with the zoning tools he has, he is still limited and distance can be closed down on him quite easily and once his knocked down he is fighting for air!
needs a backdash I believe, or somehow have his f mp move buffed...
Here's one persons opinion that's more in line with what your saying. I tried editing this in my last post but I was having difficulty.

http://www.gamersguideto.com/gaming/fighting-games/killer-instinct/killer-instinct-tier-list-update-fulgore/
 
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loogie

Kombatant
Whenever you would normally back dash with other characters to whiff punish use light puddle punch instead.

With Ice Lance, f mp; use medium cold sholder to make it safe on block. Occasionally cancel into hail to mix it up and give yourself a little bit of protection or shatter to make them jump. Other players will constantly try to poke you out of Ice Lance with meaty heavies. Be patient and hit them on there recover frames. If they try a meaty heavy and whiff there free; whether there jumping or not.
thanks for the advice, couple of things to point out:
- using light puddle punch to whiff punish instead of a backdash is going to take some practice and not sure if its the answer for all situations. on block glacius will be wrecked... whereas the backdash is a lot more safe unless they make a read and hit you with an advancing move or a normal; the backdash is safe. not to mention the really good backdashes some characters have that are almost 100% safe e.g. Sabrewulf, Fulgore (on full reactor), orchid, and less so Sadira, thunder ...
- if they have a bar of shadow meter, the ice lance into cold shoulder becomes a big risk because of shadow counters
- ice lance into hail is also not that great, because of the recovery frames on hail - hail being his best tool does not have great recover, its ok but it should be better...

even against matchups that on paper could be in glacius favor, once they get in its practically over ... look at thunder for example, one mistake from glacius and thunder is gone apeshit on him.

another important thing vs glacius, is that more often than not glacius always gets cornered in the match. somehow the stages are too small for him and his lumbering limbs...

things to buff to make him more viable competitively:
- less recovery on hail
- less recovery on ice lance (make it 0 on block or -2 not -6/-8)
- less recovery on shatter, if you throw out shatter and they are within midscreen its totally unsafe they will jump forward and you it's worrying...

I have a feeling in the next patch, something will be buffed for glacius ... unless its an introduction of a new mechanic or some change in the game mechanic that by default would give him a slight buff to make him more competitive.
 

JHCRANE 14

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thanks for the advice, couple of things to point out:
- using light puddle punch to whiff punish instead of a backdash is going to take some practice and not sure if its the answer for all situations. on block glacius will be wrecked... whereas the backdash is a lot more safe unless they make a read and hit you with an advancing move or a normal; the backdash is safe. not to mention the really good backdashes some characters have that are almost 100% safe e.g. Sabrewulf, Fulgore (on full reactor), orchid, and less so Sadira, thunder ...
- if they have a bar of shadow meter, the ice lance into cold shoulder becomes a big risk because of shadow counters
- ice lance into hail is also not that great, because of the recovery frames on hail - hail being his best tool does not have great recover, its ok but it should be better...

even against matchups that on paper could be in glacius favor, once they get in its practically over ... look at thunder for example, one mistake from glacius and thunder is gone apeshit on him.

another important thing vs glacius, is that more often than not glacius always gets cornered in the match. somehow the stages are too small for him and his lumbering limbs...

things to buff to make him more viable competitively:
- less recovery on hail
- less recovery on ice lance (make it 0 on block or -2 not -6/-8)
- less recovery on shatter, if you throw out shatter and they are within midscreen its totally unsafe they will jump forward and you it's worrying...

I have a feeling in the next patch, something will be buffed for glacius ... unless its an introduction of a new mechanic or some change in the game mechanic that by default would give him a slight buff to make him more competitive.
Ya, I made another post on here somewhere about mixing up his moves. There overall pretty unsafe but if you mix it up you'll be ok.

Ex: like you were saying about shadow countering ice lance into cold sholder. If they are expecting the cold sholder...do hail and they will waste a shadow meter plus your at advantage with hail out to protect. (Cold Sholder is so fast it's hard to block on reaction after Ice Lance you almost have to be expecting it)

That's what I mean. If you use the right move at the right time and constantly mix it up it can be difficult to tell what Glacius is gong to do.

Also, back dashing against Glacius. Don't do it in a certain range or you'll get caught by Ice Lance or Cold Sholder.