I agree. But I feel like shes really fine.. Unless other characters get some kinda outta hand buff and shes not able to really keep up. Thats just me though. I personally love Harley and have way too much fun playing as her.Honestly, after playing tons more with Harley and reading everyone whine about "how she needs all these buffs" I kinda agree to an extent. I would love for her to get all these nice things Months from now. Think realistically the game has been out for only 1 MONTH and everyone is crying about patches and buffs and nerfs ASAP. Like really? Has everyone forgot what it means to learn and adapt to a matchup and work with what you got?
I win hard match-ups with Harley just fine with all her "bad things". I can't say all these ideas are worthless because some things like faster f2 and EX Silly Slide sounds boss, but people are asking for unnecessary things like overhead cartwheel and a super buff on her trait. Honestly, just learn to play better and adapt to the fight. Trust me, Harley doesn't need much fixing and she definitely doesn't need it this soon. I apologize if this sounds complainy, but its kinda sad to see more posts on What she needs than posts on Match-ups and Tech.
Wait...I didnt know you could zip outta that move...Haha.. Catch 22. It is for finite moves.. However moves with variables...ie: cancels..a good example from another game would be Spider-man in UMvC3... His spider bite move (think Ryu dragon punch) Is VERY unsafe naturally and done by itself.. however since Spidey can web zip away after the move.. That web zip turns an unsafe move Into a safe move.. Therefore I would NOT trust them as gospel.
Thing is.. Can't a majority of the "safe" SS strings provided just go into TS this negating the question.. Should have rephrased better I guess...Aye, there's a thread on it and a list of what strings it is safe cancelled from and unsafe.
http://www.testyourmight.com/threads/empty-silly-slide-pressure.30650/
The input will not be changed I'm sure. Are you on pad or stick? The game requires you to be very deliberate with your inputs. When you do dbf1 are you sure you're not getting dbdf1 instead? I get that a ton because when you're doing combos its really hard to not be frantic when doing the motion. On pad, I just lift my thumb up off the d pad and press each input individually rather than sliding my thumb and getting the gunshot.Does anyone know when theyre gonna fix the damn inputs on her Play Doctor?
Makes no sense how I input D,B,F 1 and get Gunshots...And the Release Check IS off .___.
Really fuckin me online
Im using a SF x Sanrio 8 way stick. I just roll the input the same way I would with Zangief, or the shortcut way.The input will not be changed I'm sure. Are you on pad or stick? The game requires you to be very deliberate with your inputs. When you do dbf1 are you sure you're not getting dbdf1 instead? I get that a ton because when you're doing combos its really hard to not be frantic when doing the motion. On pad, I just lift my thumb up off the d pad and press each input individually rather than sliding my thumb and getting the gunshot.
Are you trying to do an ender like 1,2, play doctor? I find it more tedious to attempt play doctor after 1 because it's the same button. I don't know man. That's so strange that shazam's will work but hers won.Im using a SF x Sanrio 8 way stick. I just roll the input the same way I would with Zangief, or the shortcut way.
You know, half circle back + F. And some how Gunshot comes out ( as you know the input is D.F. 1)
Its so 50/50. Sometimes the Play Doctor will come out and connect, but at the same time sometimes the input will pull out Gunshot...And that will rarely connect, depending on the combo...
Its just awkward to me is all. Cause I can combo Shazaams Command grab in all combos with ease :\
Yea, I have to use it after 1,1 cause of all the previous hits in the combo drop the opponent faster.Are you trying to do an ender like 1,2, play doctor? I find it more tedious to attempt play doctor after 1 because it's the same button. I don't know man. That's so strange that shazam's will work but hers won.
I'd suggest ending with anything that isn't 1. b2,2~TS,1,b3,j2,j2,1,2, play doctor. Hell, you could shorten it and only do 1 jump kick until you get a feel for that combo. You could try standing 3, but I don't use it in combos, so I wouldn't know where to throw that one out. And yea, dat OG skin. <3Yea, I have to use it after 1,1 cause of all the previous hits in the combo drop the opponent faster.
I think its that way cause unlike Harley...Shazaam doesnt have another move consisting of the same button.
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I love the Character so damn much Ive spent 2 hours in the lab practicing with her...And half the time was trying to master that damn command grab mid combo...
and that Original Skin..... O___O
Im kinda experimenting with her now.. I really wish I didnt drop character loyalty and use ShazaamI'd suggest ending with anything that isn't 1. b2,2~TS,1,b3,j2,j2,1,2, play doctor. Hell, you could shorten it and only do 1 jump kick until you get a feel for that combo. You could try standing 3, but I don't use it in combos, so I wouldn't know where to throw that one out. And yea, dat OG skin. <3
You can still cross them up, you know... j.2 is an amazing cross-up.All 3 TS follow ups can be blocked low.. So technically all someone has to do is block low while Harley is close and stand when she jumps.. And all you have to do is watch out for the overhead = free win for Harley's opponent...
I just don't buy it.. She has so many unconventional tools.... I don't believe she has empty hope.. I believe there is something here.. Just can't put my damn finger on it...
In no characters thread does anyone mention.. Man that Harley Quinn matchup.... HELP!! If she is mentioned at all.. It's...'oh her.. Yeah.. She's annoying.. She is being slept on...
LET'S OPEN HER UP PEOPLE!!!
She sure can.. There is a verbal grunt that he does prior to lifting up off screen.. Upon that grunt and his animation.. Silly Slide. Do not over do it though.. He could train you to SS and dash out and be doing a shorter drop.Can she not dash out of Doomsday's sky drop? I get hit every. Fucking. Time.
For now, I like ending in ss or tantrum stance for a mix ups. Because currently people suck at doing wake ups.How vital would you say Play Doctor is as a combo ender for Harley? I can do it, but I feel like going for oki would be the better idea in most cases. Especially if the extra damage/DoT from MB Play Doctor isn't needed to close out a round (though that being said, MB Play Doctor is damn good for some extra unscaled digits). Sorry if this has been discussed before and I'm beating a dead horse, I would just like some input.
That being said, I'm messing around with this character and trying to figure out more of what I can do with her. I like how nasty some of her mixups can be, jfc. If only she had a Power button. ;;
EDIT: Also, I'm not sure if anyone's mentioned this or even noticed, but if you charge her Pop Pop move up until it rattles (a little before it becomes a dud or unblockable), the fireball gains the trait of an Overhead. Just saw this while doing stuff in training mode, crazy.
You can't regular dash, the distance she travels is too short. You have to silly slide instead. Back Dash also works, but you have to time it extremely well so that the invincibility can go through all of it. She can also do this to dodge interactables that are otherwise a gigantic pain to avoid.Can she not dash out of Doomsday's sky drop? I get hit every. Fucking. Time.
Something funny about that is I've tried to S.S. outta that. And she moves so far the screen moves with her. And I'm not sure or not, but D.Ds far Giga Crush travel along with the moving screen caused by SS and smashes her anyways. It's so awkward.You can't regular dash, the distance she travels is too short. You have to silly slide instead. Back Dash also works, but you have to time it extremely well so that the invincibility can go through all of it. She can also do this to dodge interactables that are otherwise a gigantic pain to avoid.
It's got obnoxious timing. You can't mash it. You need some delay. But the good news are, if you pull it off, then you can tantrum for full combo.Something funny about that is I've tried to S.S. outta that. And she moves so far the screen moves with her. And I'm not sure or not, but D.Ds far Giga Crush travel along with the moving screen caused by SS and smashes her anyways. It's so awkward.
I don't mash. I wait till I see him prep for the jump. Then after the leap I slid. But the traveling screen pulls Doomsday with it and splatters her ):.It's got obnoxious timing. You can't mash it. You need some delay. But the good news are, if you pull it off, then you can tantrum for full combo.
I'm not sure if it even can be punished. EX especially. I just pushblock it. Doomsday must be kept out.What punish are you using for his Gamma Charge?