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Aw, C'mon Puddin' -- Harley Quinn General Discussion Thread

Fergus

Like Father, Like Daughter
To me, all she needs is a faster/more range on f2 and she's perfect.

And this is just a bit of an crutch lol but making play doctor input easier would help tons! :p
 

Reauxbot

You think you bad? You aint bad.
Honestly, after playing tons more with Harley and reading everyone whine about "how she needs all these buffs" I kinda agree to an extent. I would love for her to get all these nice things Months from now. Think realistically the game has been out for only 1 MONTH and everyone is crying about patches and buffs and nerfs ASAP. Like really? Has everyone forgot what it means to learn and adapt to a matchup and work with what you got?

I win hard match-ups with Harley just fine with all her "bad things". I can't say all these ideas are worthless because some things like faster f2 and EX Silly Slide sounds boss, but people are asking for unnecessary things like overhead cartwheel and a super buff on her trait. Honestly, just learn to play better and adapt to the fight. Trust me, Harley doesn't need much fixing and she definitely doesn't need it this soon. I apologize if this sounds complainy, but its kinda sad to see more posts on What she needs than posts on Match-ups and Tech.
I agree. But I feel like shes really fine.. Unless other characters get some kinda outta hand buff and shes not able to really keep up. Thats just me though. I personally love Harley and have way too much fun playing as her.
I try to play her the way shes potrayed in comics. Unpredictable and wild. Hell sometimes I do so much random stuff it confuses my opponent and they start throwing stuff out.
And am I the only one who thinks her Classic Skin is just... Desirable? -drool-
 

Reauxbot

You think you bad? You aint bad.
Haha.. Catch 22. It is for finite moves.. However moves with variables...ie: cancels..a good example from another game would be Spider-man in UMvC3... His spider bite move (think Ryu dragon punch) Is VERY unsafe naturally and done by itself.. however since Spidey can web zip away after the move.. That web zip turns an unsafe move Into a safe move.. Therefore I would NOT trust them as gospel.
Wait...I didnt know you could zip outta that move...
Uh oh.. Looks like I might put uMvC 3 in for a lil bit :eek:
But thanks for that info too. :)
 

xWEBSx

Too old for this Shit
Just out of curiosity.. Has anyone tested to see if Silly Slide is able to be canceled into from anything? Technically speaking and even if it is strict timing and difficult.. TS could be canceled out of Silly Slide on anything Silly Slide can cancel out of... At work for rest of the night.. Not able to do myself til late tomorrow or Monday :(
 

xWEBSx

Too old for this Shit
Aye, there's a thread on it and a list of what strings it is safe cancelled from and unsafe.

http://www.testyourmight.com/threads/empty-silly-slide-pressure.30650/
Thing is.. Can't a majority of the "safe" SS strings provided just go into TS this negating the question.. Should have rephrased better I guess...

I'm more looking at the stuff that pushes opponents a bit to far away from TS hitting distance.. A good example would be.. Can you... F2,3xxSSxxTS-1, continue.

Thanks for the list provided though :)

Edit: so F2,3xxSS works...

It's what I was figuring.. It may turn out that Miss Quinn is a much more technical character than appears to be.. Which makes sense with one of my biggest gripes.. Her TS follow up options all being blocked low. Say we are all really playing her wrong and her true purpose is to get in with normals.. And quick SS cancels right into Quick TS and the 3 TS options are truly meant to catch the character as ending damage or continuing damage... Depending on what you canceled into...and not the unsafe pressure tool or just blocked out by lows tool it appears to be at the moment.

Just thinking out loud here...

All 3 TS follow ups can be blocked low.. So technically all someone has to do is block low while Harley is close and stand when she jumps.. And all you have to do is watch out for the overhead = free win for Harley's opponent...
I just don't buy it.. She has so many unconventional tools.... I don't believe she has empty hope.. I believe there is something here.. Just can't put my damn finger on it...

In no characters thread does anyone mention.. Man that Harley Quinn matchup.... HELP!! If she is mentioned at all.. It's...'oh her.. Yeah.. She's annoying.. She is being slept on...

LET'S OPEN HER UP PEOPLE!!!
 

Reauxbot

You think you bad? You aint bad.
Does anyone know when theyre gonna fix the damn inputs on her Play Doctor?
Makes no sense how I input D,B,F 1 and get Gunshots...And the Release Check IS off .___.
Really fuckin me online :(
 

Killphil

A prop on the stage of life.
Does anyone know when theyre gonna fix the damn inputs on her Play Doctor?
Makes no sense how I input D,B,F 1 and get Gunshots...And the Release Check IS off .___.
Really fuckin me online :(
The input will not be changed I'm sure. Are you on pad or stick? The game requires you to be very deliberate with your inputs. When you do dbf1 are you sure you're not getting dbdf1 instead? I get that a ton because when you're doing combos its really hard to not be frantic when doing the motion. On pad, I just lift my thumb up off the d pad and press each input individually rather than sliding my thumb and getting the gunshot.
 

Reauxbot

You think you bad? You aint bad.
The input will not be changed I'm sure. Are you on pad or stick? The game requires you to be very deliberate with your inputs. When you do dbf1 are you sure you're not getting dbdf1 instead? I get that a ton because when you're doing combos its really hard to not be frantic when doing the motion. On pad, I just lift my thumb up off the d pad and press each input individually rather than sliding my thumb and getting the gunshot.
Im using a SF x Sanrio 8 way stick. I just roll the input the same way I would with Zangief, or the shortcut way.
You know, half circle back + F. And some how Gunshot comes out ( as you know the input is D.F. 1)
Its so 50/50. Sometimes the Play Doctor will come out and connect, but at the same time sometimes the input will pull out Gunshot...And that will rarely connect, depending on the combo...
Its just awkward to me is all. Cause I can combo Shazaams Command grab in all combos with ease :\
 

Killphil

A prop on the stage of life.
Im using a SF x Sanrio 8 way stick. I just roll the input the same way I would with Zangief, or the shortcut way.
You know, half circle back + F. And some how Gunshot comes out ( as you know the input is D.F. 1)
Its so 50/50. Sometimes the Play Doctor will come out and connect, but at the same time sometimes the input will pull out Gunshot...And that will rarely connect, depending on the combo...
Its just awkward to me is all. Cause I can combo Shazaams Command grab in all combos with ease :\
Are you trying to do an ender like 1,2, play doctor? I find it more tedious to attempt play doctor after 1 because it's the same button. I don't know man. That's so strange that shazam's will work but hers won. :(
 

Reauxbot

You think you bad? You aint bad.
Are you trying to do an ender like 1,2, play doctor? I find it more tedious to attempt play doctor after 1 because it's the same button. I don't know man. That's so strange that shazam's will work but hers won. :(
Yea, I have to use it after 1,1 cause of all the previous hits in the combo drop the opponent faster.
I think its that way cause unlike Harley...Shazaam doesnt have another move consisting of the same button.
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I love the Character so damn much Ive spent 2 hours in the lab practicing with her...And half the time was trying to master that damn command grab mid combo...
and that Original Skin..... O___O
 

Killphil

A prop on the stage of life.
Yea, I have to use it after 1,1 cause of all the previous hits in the combo drop the opponent faster.
I think its that way cause unlike Harley...Shazaam doesnt have another move consisting of the same button.
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I love the Character so damn much Ive spent 2 hours in the lab practicing with her...And half the time was trying to master that damn command grab mid combo...
and that Original Skin..... O___O
I'd suggest ending with anything that isn't 1. b2,2~TS,1,b3,j2,j2,1,2, play doctor. Hell, you could shorten it and only do 1 jump kick until you get a feel for that combo. You could try standing 3, but I don't use it in combos, so I wouldn't know where to throw that one out. :( And yea, dat OG skin. <3
 

Reauxbot

You think you bad? You aint bad.
I'd suggest ending with anything that isn't 1. b2,2~TS,1,b3,j2,j2,1,2, play doctor. Hell, you could shorten it and only do 1 jump kick until you get a feel for that combo. You could try standing 3, but I don't use it in combos, so I wouldn't know where to throw that one out. :( And yea, dat OG skin. <3
Im kinda experimenting with her now.. I really wish I didnt drop character loyalty and use Shazaam :(
I coulda learned so much over that course of time .___.
Important lesson learned folks.
 

Ronald_A_Knox

Clipeum Aurea
All 3 TS follow ups can be blocked low.. So technically all someone has to do is block low while Harley is close and stand when she jumps.. And all you have to do is watch out for the overhead = free win for Harley's opponent...
I just don't buy it.. She has so many unconventional tools.... I don't believe she has empty hope.. I believe there is something here.. Just can't put my damn finger on it...

In no characters thread does anyone mention.. Man that Harley Quinn matchup.... HELP!! If she is mentioned at all.. It's...'oh her.. Yeah.. She's annoying.. She is being slept on...

LET'S OPEN HER UP PEOPLE!!!
You can still cross them up, you know... j.2 is an amazing cross-up.

And that just has to do with the case of Harley not played widely by good players. I myself out of my 400+ games met only like one other Harley player who gave me trouble. Most other Harleys i meet are pretty much terrible.
 

xWEBSx

Too old for this Shit
Can she not dash out of Doomsday's sky drop? I get hit every. Fucking. Time.
She sure can.. There is a verbal grunt that he does prior to lifting up off screen.. Upon that grunt and his animation.. Silly Slide. Do not over do it though.. He could train you to SS and dash out and be doing a shorter drop.
 

LKG

Noob
How vital would you say Play Doctor is as a combo ender for Harley? I can do it, but I feel like going for oki would be the better idea in most cases. Especially if the extra damage/DoT from MB Play Doctor isn't needed to close out a round (though that being said, MB Play Doctor is damn good for some extra unscaled digits). Sorry if this has been discussed before and I'm beating a dead horse, I would just like some input.

That being said, I'm messing around with this character and trying to figure out more of what I can do with her. I like how nasty some of her mixups can be, jfc. If only she had a Power button. ;;

EDIT: Also, I'm not sure if anyone's mentioned this or even noticed, but if you charge her Pop Pop move up until it rattles (a little before it becomes a dud or unblockable), the fireball gains the trait of an Overhead. Just saw this while doing stuff in training mode, crazy.
 

Laos_boy

Meow Hoes
How vital would you say Play Doctor is as a combo ender for Harley? I can do it, but I feel like going for oki would be the better idea in most cases. Especially if the extra damage/DoT from MB Play Doctor isn't needed to close out a round (though that being said, MB Play Doctor is damn good for some extra unscaled digits). Sorry if this has been discussed before and I'm beating a dead horse, I would just like some input.

That being said, I'm messing around with this character and trying to figure out more of what I can do with her. I like how nasty some of her mixups can be, jfc. If only she had a Power button. ;;

EDIT: Also, I'm not sure if anyone's mentioned this or even noticed, but if you charge her Pop Pop move up until it rattles (a little before it becomes a dud or unblockable), the fireball gains the trait of an Overhead. Just saw this while doing stuff in training mode, crazy.
For now, I like ending in ss or tantrum stance for a mix ups. Because currently people suck at doing wake ups.
But as players evolve I'll tend to move on to play docter.
 

Eshi

Noob
Can she not dash out of Doomsday's sky drop? I get hit every. Fucking. Time.
You can't regular dash, the distance she travels is too short. You have to silly slide instead. Back Dash also works, but you have to time it extremely well so that the invincibility can go through all of it. She can also do this to dodge interactables that are otherwise a gigantic pain to avoid.
 

Fergus

Like Father, Like Daughter
Ex play doctor is an amazing ender imo but because Harley has poor mixups standing, might be better to go for oki setups.
 

Reauxbot

You think you bad? You aint bad.
You can't regular dash, the distance she travels is too short. You have to silly slide instead. Back Dash also works, but you have to time it extremely well so that the invincibility can go through all of it. She can also do this to dodge interactables that are otherwise a gigantic pain to avoid.
Something funny about that is I've tried to S.S. outta that. And she moves so far the screen moves with her. And I'm not sure or not, but D.Ds far Giga Crush travel along with the moving screen caused by SS and smashes her anyways. It's so awkward.
And doing B.3 MB doesn't work ever cause she swings forward and whiffs big time. Waste of meter and health
 

Ronald_A_Knox

Clipeum Aurea
Something funny about that is I've tried to S.S. outta that. And she moves so far the screen moves with her. And I'm not sure or not, but D.Ds far Giga Crush travel along with the moving screen caused by SS and smashes her anyways. It's so awkward.
It's got obnoxious timing. You can't mash it. You need some delay. But the good news are, if you pull it off, then you can tantrum for full combo.
 

Reauxbot

You think you bad? You aint bad.
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It's got obnoxious timing. You can't mash it. You need some delay. But the good news are, if you pull it off, then you can tantrum for full combo.
I don't mash. I wait till I see him prep for the jump. Then after the leap I slid. But the traveling screen pulls Doomsday with it and splatters her ):.
I'm just gonna practice it out and see what kinda punish I can get from it.
What punish are you using for his Gamma Charge?
Idk his moveset. I'm just giving him Hulks. Sorry lol