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Tekken Master's MKX Tier List

Zionix

AKA Ponkster
Guys this is a tier list and its an opinion. Stop trying to argue with absolutes when they don't exist.

I also think fisticuffs is a solid variation. My opinion. He has excellent stagger pressure like a-list and great chip and ex nut punch is on of the best reversals in the game. Lucky for fisticuffs, cage as a base is good, and has good offensive pressure in MKXL.

A-list is supposed to be S tier in most players books but our A-list players at tournaments must suck because we can't hit top 8. Kano is in the same position. Is it the players representing them being bad? Is it the characters themselves?

My personal opinion is that unwhiffable multi-mid hitting strings that lead to mix-ups mid string are the best characters for tournaments. Its easy to do, it relies on your opponent to guess right and requires extremely low execution. Hell tremor is good, could you imagine if f1 was mid and was 9fs and he had a 6 frame d1, Take a seat Kotal.
Scar gets ALOT of mileage out of sonyas long mid attack into grenade and its his spacing on this that makes him one of the best demo sonyas.

Characters with D1s that are 6 frames, catch jumping opponents and can lead to conversions (especially in the corner) are also strong characters. It gives a bit of defense without the use of armor. I believe jason without his D1 and its strength would be alot weaker.

Safe armor with pushback or plus on block pressure. This is one of the reasons why ermac had such a good showing. Big D played out of his mind and with his great defence being able to stop jump ins or pressure with safe armor won him so many games.

Air game. The highest placing characters at either all had broken jump ins usually full screen or with combination of this are able to cancel into a special (divekick, tail-flip)

All or most of the above make an S-tier characters in MKXL tournaments with ease. Gunslinger is a special case, I think its S-tier, I know most don't but his options in the neutral are beyond most other characters, armored half-screen ultimate tackles are OP!

If your character doesn't have the above it doesn't mean its bad, it just means the neutral is harder and opening your opponent up requires you to make the better reads and spacing which just isn't as braindead.
 
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ismael4790

Stay focused or get Caged
Guys this is a tier list and its an opinion. Stop trying to argue with absolutes when they don't exist.

I also think fisticuffs is a solid variation. My opinion. He has excellent stagger pressure like a-list and great chip and ex nut punch is on of the best reversals in the game. Lucky for fisticuffs, cage as a base is good, and has good offensive pressure in MKXL.
A-List stagger pressure is effective because the opponent has things to respect from him. Same with Stunt double when loaded.

Fisticuffs Cage has no true pressure nor mixups, his distinctive mid string is defective with random whiffing issues that depend on the character you are facing, and his best advancing mid, f3, has extremely reduced utility in this variation, and his bump sucks on startup and gives no plus frames to work with, neither after strings on hit nor on block, not to mention that the variation has the worst use of 113 string also.

Chip general reduction hurted him also. Yeah, speedbag does now more chip, but sadly this string will continue to be unreliable until/if nrs decides to do something about it.

He could be solid if he got some modifications, now he is far from being it, and definitely he is light years away from Cassie Cage, for example, who shares tier with him in this list.

Nobody is arguing with absolutes, just giving an opinion and trying to reason it.
 
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Zionix

AKA Ponkster
A-List stagger pressure is effective because the opponent has things to respect from him. Same with Stunt double when loaded.

Fisticuffs Cage has no true pressure nor mixups, his distinctive mid string is defective with random whiffing issues that depend on the character you are facing, and his best advancing mid, f3, has extremely reduced utility in this variation, and his bump sucks on startup and gives no plus frames to work with, neither after strings on hit nor on block, not to mention that the variation has the worst use of 113 string also.

Chip general reduction hurted him also. Yeah, speedbag does now more chip, but sadly this string will continue to be unreliable until/if nrs decides to do something about it.

He could be solid if he got some modifications, now he is far from being it, and definitely he is light years away from Cassie Cage, for example, who shares tier with him in this list.

Nobody is arguing with absolutes, just giving an opinion and trying to reason it.
Its a tough one, I whiff 114 as a-list mid string and get armored reversals out of it but that doesn't come into when people talk about jailing pressure. F3 is still fantastic and F3,4 is great at chasing people down and can create a mind game with ex-nutpunch if they attempt to poke back after block, It does nice chip as-well with the buff active. I can see why having ex bump with plus frames or special cancel would be awesome but then its no different than flame-fist. Would rather see something different but I don't know waht that would be.

What im trying to say is yes, its not as good as SD or A-list but Cage still has the kit to compete and the overhead is fantastic. I honestly can see why cassie and fistcuffs are in a similar tier; I don't know if its right though.
 

ismael4790

Stay focused or get Caged
Its a tough one, I whiff 114 as a-list mid string and get armored reversals out of it but that doesn't come into when people talk about jailing pressure. F3 is still fantastic and F3,4 is great at chasing people down and can create a mind game with ex-nutpunch if they attempt to poke back after block, It does nice chip as-well with the buff active. I can see why having ex bump with plus frames or special cancel would be awesome but then its no different than flame-fist. Would rather see something different but I don't know waht that would be.

What im trying to say is yes, its not as good as SD or A-list but Cage still has the kit to compete and the overhead is fantastic. I honestly can see why cassie and fistcuffs are in a similar tier; I don't know if its right though.
A-List has an execution barrier, there's no doubt about that. But the options are there, the character can do all that, and that's why he's S tier. Same as other cancel characters.

With fisticuffs no matter how much you train, there are some limitations you can't compensate with training. Experience is not gonna create plus frames where there aren't, or making a defective string to stop whiffing and leave you exposed.

I honestly think it's a shame that a variation has been built around a defective string and a bump that looks pathetic compared with other bumps in the game. That's all he adds to variationless. Even if speedbag was fixed, I'm starting to think this variation (in case speedbag frames were not improved) might need a parry (as flame fist) or a command grab, or some kind of new string to be scary.

I'm glad if you also play fisticuffs, we are very few. But the amount of upplay he requires is large, he's just not suitable for competition.
 
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Tanno

The Fantasy is the Reality of the Mind
i told him Kotal war god should at least be at A Tier ... but he insisted on placing him at A+. Same goes for Blood God. The only reason he did not place him At S Tier is because of Acidic/Piercing and GrandMaster
There's a reason about this. I main Alien and Grandmaster. If they beat Kotal Khan, then that's it. Sub Zero is about 6-4 against Kotal Khan, if used properly. About Alien...well, you saw what happened in the last match, which I predicted spot on. I don't know about Piercing Mileena, because I have never seen her against Kotal Khan.
 

Zionix

AKA Ponkster
I'm not trying to make fisticuffs tournament ready or S-tier.

but it really isn't as bad as people make it out to be, because base cage is very good like base cassie.
 
He's from Bahrain
Tekken Master Main's Liu Kang and he has a good Flame Fist and he easily has the best Dragon Fire in the world imo, he said that he tried to make Dualist work with each patch, but he couldn't and i don't blame him, because everytime he chose him against me in the past i end up mopping him.
very bold statement . have u got any match footage of him playing lk? id love to see it :D.
 

x-azeez

Bullet with your name on it
very bold statement . have u got any match footage of him playing lk? id love to see it :D.
i think i have footage of him using Liu Kang before the MKXL patch .. the one where Liu Kang still has his +2 flying kick, he still use him from time to time .. that +2 was a nightmare
 

Renzokuken

Gay Hawkeye
Yeah thats probably why Tekken Master beat Slayer easily.
Easily? lol. Just because Tekken Master outplayed Slayer doesn't automatically warrant putting Shaolin in B tier. We're looking at tools, not players. Looking at Kung Jin's tools in Shaolin, he's nowhere near B. He has to have many bad MUs to belong there, but he doesn't.