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General/Other - Cybernetic Kano's Cybernetic Variation Discussion Thread

SaltShaker

SaltShaker

In Zoning We Trust
Phosferrax said:
I just now tried to think of the characters that Cybernetic has an advantage over and I came up with:

HT Jacqui
Lackey F/T
Dualist Liu Kang

And that is all lmao. I am unsure about some of Jax's and D'Vorah's variations, or even SG Jacqui but those 3 are all I can think of that Cyber does beat in my opinion.

Any other opinions?

@bdizzle2700 @Youphemism @SaltShaker @MrInsaynne
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Yea the game has changed dramatically from before to now. Some of Cyber's former even MUs seem losing now, and some adv MUs seem even. Once upon a time Cyber used to beat Takeda, Shinnok, and such lol.

I still think Cyber holds a clear adv over HW/Brawler Cassie and MoS Raiden, and adv over Erron and MoS Ermac. Other than those everything else seems either even or losing from what I can see. Nowhere near the level of character he was early in the game compared to now with how much the surrounding characters around Cyber have changed.


When the DLC comes out at least maybe he'll win over Drunken Variation Bo? :DOGE
 
bdizzle2700

bdizzle2700

gotta stay sharp!
Phosferrax said:
I just now tried to think of the characters that Cybernetic has an advantage over and I came up with:

HT Jacqui
Lackey F/T
Dualist Liu Kang

And that is all lmao. I am unsure about some of Jax's and D'Vorah's variations, or even SG Jacqui but those 3 are all I can think of that Cyber does beat in my opinion.

Any other opinions?

@bdizzle2700 @Youphemism @SaltShaker @MrInsaynne
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I think he beats cassie, raiden (maybe not displacer), ravenous mil, a lil favorable over sd johnny. Possible eb.
 
Youphemism

Youphemism

Gunslinger since pre patch (sh/out to The Farmer)
Phosferrax said:
I just now tried to think of the characters that Cybernetic has an advantage over and I came up with:

HT Jacqui
Lackey F/T
Dualist Liu Kang

And that is all lmao. I am unsure about some of Jax's and D'Vorah's variations, or even SG Jacqui but those 3 are all I can think of that Cyber does beat in my opinion.

Any other opinions?

@bdizzle2700 @Youphemism @SaltShaker @MrInsaynne
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Changed your mind on Mileena I see ;) I still personally think he could beat Cassie, Raiden and Erron tbh. Possibly Venomous D'Vorah, Jason, Fisticuffs, Balanced, Bojutsu and mayyyyyyyybe Dragon Naginata and Goro too.
 
Phosferrax

Phosferrax

Original Liu Kang cop.
Youphemism said:
Changed your mind on Mileena I see ;) I still personally think he could beat Cassie, Raiden and Erron tbh. Possibly Venomous D'Vorah, Jason, Fisticuffs, Balanced, Bojutsu and mayyyyyyyybe Dragon Naginata and Goro too.
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Nah he goes even with Piercing in the current build (not beats) but loses to her in the beta.

I don't see Cyber beating Balanced in the beta. Bojutsu probably. I mentioned BM/Venomous because they don't really get damage when they do finally hit him. Maybe Goro but haven't played any good Goro's to say. I'd say your right on the others.

bdizzle2700 said:
I think he beats cassie, raiden (maybe not displacer), ravenous mil, a lil favorable over sd johnny. Possible eb.
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I'm not sure he beats Cassie, but I can't say for certain either way. I could be convinced that he does though. I can see Raiden, but again not certain. I haven't played enough good Raidens to know. Yeah for ravenous, maybe ethereal. For SD Cage I've been playing Irish Mantis for a long time and we think it's even, just because he takes about half your life when he does hit you.

Could see EB but haven't played good enough ones to know, but I suppose in the beta build I would say Cyber does have an easier time.
 
bdizzle2700

bdizzle2700

gotta stay sharp!
Phosferrax said:
Nah he goes even with Piercing in the current build (not beats) but loses to her in the beta.

I don't see Cyber beating Balanced in the beta. Bojutsu probably. I mentioned BM/Venomous because they don't really get damage when they do finally hit him. Maybe Goro but haven't played any good Goro's to say. I'd say your right on the others.



I'm not sure he beats Cassie, but I can't say for certain either way. I could be convinced that he does though. I can see Raiden, but again not certain. I haven't played enough good Raidens to know. Yeah for ravenous, maybe ethereal. For SD Cage I've been playing Irish Mantis for a long time and we think it's even, just because he takes about half your life when he does hit you.

Could see EB but haven't played good enough ones to know, but I suppose in the beta build I would say Cyber does have an easier time.
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So for the most part you agree lol. For sd its prolly more even. Having dja homies as a sparring partner he thinks if he had to pick who has advantage, cyber does.
 
Red Hood MKX

Red Hood MKX

Mercenary dog
Im starting to use straight kano ball to catch people trying to jump over knives full screen its a hard read with risk but its 11 percent better than 5 percent knives lol. Trying to find any new strategies that make this chararcter more viable but its a hard task to do
 
dribirut

dribirut

BLAK FELOW
I was playing him again and it just made me really appreciate other characters more. He is honestly terrible. He goes even against the characters he can outzone and anyone that can trade or outzone him beats him.
 
Apex Kano

Apex Kano

Kano Commando main MKX
Cyber didn't get no damage buffs on knives still?? Cmon! I appreciate the Up ball buff but I wanted Cyber to still be his best. Looks like CT wins this variation battle.
 
Youphemism

Youphemism

Gunslinger since pre patch (sh/out to The Farmer)
It's apparent they don't know how to balance the character at this point. They BUFFED CUTTHROAT. AGAIN. I cannot stress the insanity behind that. Meanwhile Cybernetic gets a faster air laser because that's totally what he needed right? His anti-air game sucked man, I'm glad they fixed that obvious flaw in his gameplan.

I'm sorry but I'm just done with this variation. If I wanted an overhead I'd play Cutthroat. I just want a solid space control variation with decent damage that requires you to play well fundamentally, not 50/50s. I've just given up all hope considering all the other variations I play also got absolutely nothing (as far as what was said on stream at least) so I've just decided that for the rest of the time I'm playing the game I'm just gonna scumbag through it with top tiers.

It's been a good run guys, good luck other Cybernetics in your endeavours. The only times you'll see me playing Cybernetic from now on will either be in very specific matchups and at Viennality where I plan on playing Jupe in 9 FT5s where we play all of Kanos variations against the other lol. Keep fighting the good fight. Forever #KNIFEBOYZ

 
villainous monk

villainous monk

Terrible times breed terrible things, my lord.
Youphemism said:
It's apparent they don't know how to balance the character at this point. They BUFFED CUTTHROAT. AGAIN. I cannot stress the insanity behind that. Meanwhile Cybernetic gets a faster air laser because that's totally what he needed right? His anti-air game sucked man, I'm glad they fixed that obvious flaw in his gameplan.

I'm sorry but I'm just done with this variation. If I wanted an overhead I'd play Cutthroat. I just want a solid space control variation with decent damage that requires you to play well fundamentally, not 50/50s. I've just given up all hope considering all the other variations I play also got absolutely nothing (as far as what was said on stream at least) so I've just decided that for the rest of the time I'm playing the game I'm just gonna scumbag through it with top tiers.

It's been a good run guys, good luck other Cybernetics in your endeavours. The only times you'll see me playing Cybernetic from now on will either be in very specific matchups and at Viennality where I plan on playing Jupe in 9 FT5s where we play all of Kanos variations against the other lol. Keep fighting the good fight. Forever #KNIFEBOYZ

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I feel you man. Honestly.
 
Apex Kano

Apex Kano

Kano Commando main MKX
Youphemism said:
It's apparent they don't know how to balance the character at this point. They BUFFED CUTTHROAT. AGAIN. I cannot stress the insanity behind that. Meanwhile Cybernetic gets a faster air laser because that's totally what he needed right? His anti-air game sucked man, I'm glad they fixed that obvious flaw in his gameplan.

I'm sorry but I'm just done with this variation. If I wanted an overhead I'd play Cutthroat. I just want a solid space control variation with decent damage that requires you to play well fundamentally, not 50/50s. I've just given up all hope considering all the other variations I play also got absolutely nothing (as far as what was said on stream at least) so I've just decided that for the rest of the time I'm playing the game I'm just gonna scumbag through it with top tiers.

It's been a good run guys, good luck other Cybernetics in your endeavours. The only times you'll see me playing Cybernetic from now on will either be in very specific matchups and at Viennality where I plan on playing Jupe in 9 FT5s where we play all of Kanos variations against the other lol. Keep fighting the good fight. Forever #KNIFEBOYZ

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Iconic Cyber Red is the true Kano. Not sure why CT is getting all these buffs and CT is top 10. All Cyber needs is stronger knives and personally add a Low grenade throw. So then Cyber can have control over AA, mids, and low areas. I don't care about 50/50 with Cyber either. I play Cyber to control space and sadly this version of Cyber again was untouch. Then they screwed with tick throws also. I just don't understand thier balancing decisions at NRS.
 
Fresh900

Fresh900

"Cooler than a polar bear's toenails." #Outkast
#BuffCyber should be our new hashtag - brotha needs some love at this point...lol If anything just give us a touch, just a tickle of more damage on a basic BnB. Is that too much to ask NRS.?
 
villainous monk

villainous monk

Terrible times breed terrible things, my lord.
Knifes, and the grenade strings would be significantly better.

He just feels like he's being left behind. Not only in the cast but even in his other variations. He's needs a little more love.

Last thing we need is for him to end up in the same situation has mk9 kano. Just feels like that.

Seems every patch that comes up cyber since the August patch is being left behind.

It's nice that he has a faster up laser and what not but from other opponents there is no fear when facing cyber when all you have to do is keep away and crouch block.

He needs more help. To be feared like his other variations. Where simple defenses won't be the fight or death of him in this variation.

Just my opinion though.
 
Red Hood MKX

Red Hood MKX

Mercenary dog
Cutthroat is kanos best variation but Cyber is good for certain match ups cassie erron sub jax dvorah etc the new overhead air ball will help i still think people are sleeping on cybernetic 32 percent bnb restand we have shinnoks vortex why aren't cyber mains using this more yes we dont have an overhead like shinnok but a through after 32 percent combo into restand is 44 percent thats really good damage for cyber so every time you punish its for 44 percent one bar and now with the overhead kano ball it opens up more options just my opinion
 
Youphemism

Youphemism

Gunslinger since pre patch (sh/out to The Farmer)
Red Hood MKX said:
Cutthroat is kanos best variation but Cyber is good for certain match ups cassie erron sub jax dvorah etc the new overhead air ball will help i still think people are sleeping on cybernetic 32 percent bnb restand we have shinnoks vortex why aren't cyber mains using this more yes we dont have an overhead like shinnok but a through after 32 percent combo into restand is 44 percent thats really good damage for cyber so every time you punish its for 44 percent one bar and now with the overhead kano ball it opens up more options just my opinion
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Where are you getting 32% from? Is that for a bar I assume? And no he does not have anything close to Shinnok's vortex and he does not do 44%, the throw is completely techable, armourable, backdashable and duckable. Just because throw is an option doesn't mean it's guaranteed. Shinnok's Mimicry is +104 on hit which lets him do anything he wants and the opponent can only avoid his options by blocking/teching, Cybernetic is only left at +11 unless you sacrifice even more damage by just doing something like standing 2 for more hit advantage so while some normals/strings are guaranteed a throw is not so his damage doesn't go up to 44%. We also don't have an overhead starter so we most definitely do not have anything close to Shinnok's vortex, we just have a very mediocre mixup with one option that's not even guaranteed.
 
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