General/Other KILLER FROST - General Discussion Thread

[TakeAChance]

can i ask why you do f11 after j2 instead of standing 2 which grants u +22?? Didnt know bout the hotfix which is cool too

Ah, you guys are correct. I forgot to take into account the trait nerf lol. Was just looking at the damage. I don't play this character.

Yea, much better to go for the standing 2. In that case, 24% and 29% is where you stand. Sorry ice queens

 

[xKhaoTik]

ITS ONLY 4% LESS DAMAGE. Not a big deal...

 

[cirkusfreaksho]

Ah, you guys are correct. I forgot to take into account the trait nerf lol. Was just looking at the damage. I don't play this character.

Yea, much better to go for the standing 2. In that case, 24% and 29% is where you stand. Sorry ice queens

its cool....no pun intended

 

[cirkusfreaksho]

I aim to find out today.

i dont think its possible anymore..you can really feel a difference with the added 10 frames of recovery....please prove me wrong tho

 

[-LD50-]

So the go to vortexes now are, correct me if im wrong:

f3 u3 u3 22 mb grab j2 2: 33%
b1u3 u3 u3 22 mb grab j2 2: 33%

off a slide-in that hit: slide u3 u3 22 mb grab j2 2: 29%

off jump2: j2 f113 slide u3 u3 22 mb grab j2 2: 40%
off jump3: j3 d1 slide u3 22 mb grab j2 2: 34%

^basically her bnb for vortexes? dont think 2x u3 is possible with j3 but maybe im bad

 

[Rosegoddess3]

Is her trait really effective anymore? I really didn't see a lot of people fully activating her trait in the first place. It was so slow already to charge....it seemed that her real "trait" was more or less the trait cancel.

Nobody lets you just sit back and charge the trait. Slowly charging it over time was really the only way, and that was difficult enough. That's really going to be a problem with 10 frames of recovery (or is it?). The recovery is not just mid-combo, right?

The reason her trait cancel should not have been nerfed is because so many other characters have insta-trait....or are power characters. I just don't want too much taken from her

Forgive me if I am misunderstanding the extent of this (or just completely getting it wrong). Had to vent a little Evo is next week...not a good time for this. I'm happy to hear about the hotfix, though!

 

[Konqrr]

i dont think its possible anymore..you can really feel a difference with the added 10 frames of recovery....please prove me wrong tho

It is possible, but only if you haven't done a slide yet in the combo and the damage is HELLA nerfed on trait. Down by at least 10%.

AND... once her trait is activated, it doesn't last as long... fml

Here is one for f3:

f3, u3, 2~MB Iceberg, TA, 2~Slide, u3x8 22~Iceberg - 50%

SMH!!!

At least the b3 one is ok... less overall damage loss:

b3, j3, u3, 2~MB Iceberg, TA, 2~Slide, u3x8 22~Iceberg - 55%

 

[-LD50-]

Forgive me if I am misunderstanding the extent of this. Had to vent a little Evo is next week...not a good time for this. I'm happy to hear about the hotfix, though!

There isnt a hotfix afaik - he just tested the damage with the wrong combos.

and yeah trait combo damage seems nerfed to fucking hell

 

[16 Bit]

I think these damage normalizations are fair.

 

[Konqrr]

I think these damage normalizations are fair.

As long as Superman gets 69% in the corner... this will never be fair.

 

[16 Bit]

KF can punish Scorpion's MB Teleport with 1,1,1~slide and can more easily d+2 AA his jump 1 and jump 3. She already went even or beat Scorpion now it's probably real tough for him.

 

[16 Bit]

As long as Superman gets 69% in the corner... this will never be fair.

It's Superman.

 

[cirkusfreaksho]

It is possible, but only if you haven't done a slide yet in the combo and the damage is HELLA nerfed on trait. Down by at least 10%.

AND... once her trait is activated, it doesn't last as long... fml

Here is one for f3:

f3, u3, 2~MB Iceberg, TA, 2~Slide, u3x8 22~Iceberg - 50%

SMH!!!

At least the b3 one is ok... less overall damage loss:

b3, j3, u3, 2~MB Iceberg, TA, 2~Slide, u3x8 22~Iceberg - 55%

is it possible after doing something like f113 mb icespike b3 then activate trait? Good find though makes me happy its still possible

 

[Konqrr]

is it possible after doing something like f113 mb icespike b3 then activate trait? Good find though makes me happy its still possible

As long as you didn't do too many hits before the MB Iceberg (too much gravity makes slide whiff), you will be ok... but you have to do 2~slide after the TA and not have already done slide in the combo.

 

[Konqrr]

It's Superman.

I don't care if it's God, this is a video game

Off of a 111 hit confirm into EX Iceberg you can TA for 51% where a normal slide combo would only net you 38% or 35% with j22 reset.

So using TA combos are still worth it... just a lot harder to set up.

Also, she still gets 37% from a f3 into j22 reset with this:

f3, u3, u3, f112~slide, 2~MB Grab, j22

 

[Shazoo757]

Hey, just a word of caution. It is really easy to get nervous at the end of a round and slide immediately after the 2 causing the slide to be a part of your combo

 

[cirkusfreaksho]

dont know if anyone noticed this but d1 true combos into freeze. I set the opponent to auto block and i think i might have found away to extend combos for 1 more bar?? For example, f3 u3 u3 22 mb freeze..then d1 into mb freeze again into j2 f113 slide u3 u3 22 dagger toss. if you end with freeze it will slap them away. Is this a legit reset?

edit: you can duck the freeze after d1 so scratch that lol thought i had something good

 

[Konqrr]

dont know if anyone noticed this but d1 true combos into freeze. I set the opponent to auto block and i think i might have found away to extend combos for 1 more bar?? For example, f3 u3 u3 22 mb freeze..then d1 into mb freeze again into j2 f113 slide u3 u3 22 dagger toss. if you end with freeze it will slap them away. Is this a legit reset?

edit: you can duck the freeze after d1 so scratch that lol thought i had something good

Yeah, I thought the same thing at first on day one lol

Although, d1 on hit is +11 so if you time your throw perfectly the only thing they can do to escape the damage is to break the throw. It's good tech for sure.

Hey, just a word of caution. It is really easy to get nervous at the end of a round and slide immediately after the 2 causing the slide to be a part of your combo

That has never happened to me, I don't think it's going to be a problem

 

[-LD50-]

Also, she still gets 37% from a f3 into j22 reset with this:

f3, u3, u3, f112~slide, 2~MB Grab, j22

^ you can cancel just a single 2 into MB grab? trying to do this and having no luck.

also, do you have trouble doing double u3s in the corner? When the enemy is in the corner and im doing a double u3, the 2nd u3 doesnt flip to the other side, it just whiffs into the corner and leaves me in the corner in a terrible position.

If you wait long enough the 2nd u3 will come out the correct side and continue to juggle but that wait makes the mb grab whiff in my experience.

 

[ApocaLips]

^ you can cancel just a single 2 into MB grab? trying to do this and having no luck.

also, do you have trouble doing double u3s in the corner? When the enemy is in the corner and im doing a double u3, the 2nd u3 doesnt flip to the other side, it just whiffs into the corner and leaves me in the corner in a terrible position.

If you wait long enough the 2nd u3 will come out the correct side and continue to juggle but that wait makes the mb grab whiff in my experience.

You have to do the 2 almost immediately after the slide.

Konqrr, great find on that. That puts our vortex damage almost right back to normal.


To build on that, I think the new meterless vortex combo is

f3/b1u3, u3, u3, f112 slide, dash for 32%

 

[ApocaLips]

You have to do the 2 almost immediately after the slide.

Konqrr, great find on that. That puts our vortex damage almost right back to normal.


To build on that, I think the new meterless vortex combo is

f3/b1u3, u3, u3, f112 slide, dash for 32%

Actually, replace f112 in those combos with f113 for a little extra damage.

 

[Shazoo757]

Does anybody feel like killer frost is now basically like batgirl with a slide? She has low damaging combos, vortex, good projectiles, and a tight ass

 

[Lord Beef]

Does anybody feel like killer frost is now basically like batgirl with a slide? She has low damaging combos, vortex, good projectiles, and a tight ass

No.

 

[xKhaoTik]

Killer frost is the same damn character.

 

[xKhaoTik]

To build on that, I think the new meterless vortex combo is

f3/b1u3, u3, u3, f112 slide, dash for 32%

No.


First of, slide can be tech rolled. There is no vortex coming from that at all.
Second, in order to even set up a meterless vortex, u have to end in a hard knock down, like ice grab or u3.


The one I came up with is the one most people are using and the its the one that has the most success.

F3/B1u3, u3x2, 2 slide, u3, dash. If timed right, it goes crosses the opponent up, making them have to reverse input for a wakeup. This version also does more damage than the one you mentioned and sets up a hard knock down. On top of that, b1 slide is a good option after this because it beats most wakeups in the game.

I also like doing GGA 16 Bit's hard knockdown set up with ice grab. She doesn't get the otg slide anymore, but she can still put up some crazy oki games such with it.