Come to find out what? That she is a beast when played properly by someone who knows how to play the game and not worried about flashy YouTube combos? Yes.. That is true, documented and known.. Lets not let the high of perfectly played Harley at one tournament now put her on any nerf or high tier list..lets not pretend that Sinestro, Supes, Killer Frost and Aquaman are now EZ MODE victories for Harley now..The fact that people are putting her on that list is making me crack up so bad. I've been saying "Nerf Harley!" since day they nerfed her as a JOKE. Come to find out.
Which is also a MAJOR concern that has not been mentioned or toyed with yet..The universal buff to all characters D+2 is an indirect nerf to one of Harley best tools which is her jump in 2.
I hear you man (as I've only casually looked into Joker) but people were saying the same things about Harley. Biggest gripes I've seen (and even made myself):I get what you mean, but this is a special case. I personally never saw Harley as a bad character, but for Joker the frame data just isn't there. Too slow and punishable on too many things, not enough to compensate.
Come to find out people are taking it seriously hahaha. (Stop being a dick)Come to find out what? That she is a beast when played properly by someone who knows how to play the game and not worried about flashy YouTube combos? Yes.. That is true, documented and known.. Lets not let the high of perfectly played Harley at one tournament now put her on any nerf or high tier list..lets not pretend that Sinestro, Supes, Killer Frost and Aquaman are now EZ MODE victories for Harley now..
All still stands true Sab...If anything she has more exposure now and will only have a rougher time ahead due to people having to respect her now.I hear you man (as I've only casually looked into Joker) but people were saying the same things about Harley. Biggest gripes I've seen (and even made myself):
* Trait is/was worthless
* Mix-up game is limited due to lack of frame traps/+advantage
* F+2 overhead is slow and can be poked out on reaction so she has a hard time opening people up and is her only overhead starter (outside of jump-in's and F+3).
* Can be out ranged by ranged specialists.
King.. I'm not being a dick.. What I am doing is keeping my game the same and not letting the outstanding placement of my only used character to jade my vision with delusions of grandeur... Tricky Lil Harley caught a looot of people sleeping.. But with her still lacking tool set to be considered one or the other (Zoner/Rushdown)... She is still in need of buffs to be considered legitimately higher tier than where she has been.. You call it being a dick.. I call it realistic.Come to find out people are taking it seriously hahaha. (Stop being a dick)
I foresee biased nerfs in our future.All still stands true Sab...If anything she has more exposure now and will only have a rougher time ahead due to people having to respect her now.
When did I say she was "S tier" all of a sudden? And Nerf list...are you crazy!?! In no way shape or form do I think Harley needs a Nerf. In fact FUNDAMENTALLY with the game as a whole, I'm more in support of buffing mid-low tier than nerfing high. People saying "Nerf Harley lulz!" on stream and shit are just talking shit. I said that she was "under the radar" meaning people weren't fully exploring her matchup potential or bothering to learn her matchup at all. You must have me confused with someone else as I put little emphasis in something like a "tier list" being the end-all confirmation of a character's worth or viability.Sab... There are multiple lightning strikes here at this event man... Good players, a relative unknown/slept on character...excellent execution and momentum equal the placements.. Not to mention a pocket Scorpion or two don't hurt matters... I am not by any means taking anything away from Salt or Deg..they are possibly the best Quinn's out there.. But this one tournament don't mean shit..and does not suddenly put her on the "nerf" or "S tier" list... When players can consistently bring home major victories with her.. Then as can be considered legit.. Til then.. Outstanding gameplay by outstanding players
The flashy youtube combo comment you made seemed like a back stab imo. But maybe it was misunderstood. I've just been trying o contribute to the communityKing.. I'm not being a dick.. What I am doing is keeping my game the same and not letting the outstanding placement of my only used character to jade my vision with delusions of grandeur... Tricky Lil Harley caught a looot of people sleeping.. But with her still lacking tool set to be considered one or the other (Zoner/Rushdown)... She is still in need of buffs to be considered legitimately higher tier than where she has been.. You call it being a dick.. I call it realistic.
When did I say she was "S tier" all of a sudden? And Nerf list...are you crazy!?! In no way shape or form do I think Harley needs a Nerf. In fact FUNDAMENTALLY with the game as a whole, I'm more in support of buffing mid-low tier than nerfing high. People saying "Nerf Harley lulz!" on stream and shit are just talking shit. I said that she was "under the radar" meaning people weren't fully exploring her matchup potential or bothering to learn her matchup at all. You must have me confused with someone else as I put little emphasis in something like a "tier list" being the gospel.
Guys.. All I am saying is keep doing what you are doing with Harley.. Don't let today's tourney results mess with your heads and think there is some hidden pot of gold at the end of the rainbow... As anyone who has played Harley for longer than a set knows.. It goes much deeper than do combo A,B,C for auto win with Harley.. That's all.The flashy youtube combo comment you made seemed like a back stab imo. But maybe it was misunderstood. I've just been trying o contribute to the community
Harley is far from a brainless character. I agree. Me and you who have played Harley and ONLY Harley since day one understand that. new players won't that's why we're here. No more arguing nowGuys.. All I am saying is keep doing what you are doing with Harley.. Don't let today's tourney results mess with your heads and think there is some hidden pot of gold at the end of the rainbow... As anyone who has played Harley for longer than a set knows.. It goes much deeper than do combo A,B,C for auto win with Harley.. That's all.
I'm honestly confused because that's all I've been saying this whole conversation. People are just excited to see Harley get some tourney representation.Guys.. All I am saying is keep doing what you are doing with Harley.. Don't let today's tourney results mess with your heads and think there is some hidden pot of gold at the end of the rainbow... As anyone who has played Harley for longer than a set knows.. It goes much deeper than do combo A,B,C for auto win with Harley.. That's all.
We know what excitement leads to right? Not arguing man.. Just trying to keep people grounded is all.I'm honestly confused because that's all I've been saying this whole conversation. People are just excited to see Harley get some tourney representation.
Right, I'm not arguing either... I just don't see how this supposed "flood of new Harley's" is somehow "a bad thing". Also excitement leads to disappointment or satisfaction so I'm not following you.We know what excitement leads to right? Not arguing man.. Just trying to keep people grounded is all.
Well it depends what kind of new people we get I suppose. If they are a bunch of dick heads then that will be a bad thing. But if they are a bunch of dick heads with new tech. That would be good lol.Right, I'm not arguing either... I just don't see how this supposed "flood of new Harley's" is somehow "a bad thing". Also excitement leads to disappointment or satisfaction so I'm not following you.
Agree 100%. Harley is far from ez.To be honest like I said I welcome the new harley players but I also have a feeling that some ppl are prob just be hop ons that think after watching CEO that Harley's ez mode. But this is just only the beginning true test is EVO
Here's the top 8. I think they cheer 'Harley' when Saltface plays.Does any1 have the video link for the injustice final (especially the one they're cheering harley) cant find it anywhere