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Espio said:
Is he really though? Kitana, Cage, Liu Kang, and Mileena among some others....who are considered very great/decent characters get bodied by Kenshi...it's not just low tier characters and several of those are 8-2 match ups.

When two characters ruin the vast majority of the roster, even the supposed good characters it has nothing to do with low tier "badness".
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Kenshi will be harder to work around, but those characters are all tools to get in and punish him. The mechanics are all in place. Buff them ever so slightly and it will tip the scale. IE kitana Air booty, Liu Kang beter armor and safeness on dragon kick. Milena SHOULD have a safe special like EX tele Kick would be a fair way to get in.
 
RYX

RYX

BIG PUSHER
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Kenshi will be harder to work around, but those characters are all tools to get in and punish him. The mechanics are all in place. Buff them ever so slightly and it will tip the scale. IE kitana Air booty, Liu Kang beter armor and safeness on dragon kick. Milena SHOULD have a safe special like EX tele Kick would be a fair way to get in.
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Teleports should never be a safe way to get in. ;_;
 
TheTetraSpirit

TheTetraSpirit

Kombatant
Relaxedstate said:
Kenshi will be harder to work around, but those characters are all tools to get in and punish him. The mechanics are all in place. Buff them ever so slightly and it will tip the scale. IE kitana Air booty, Liu Kang beter armor and safeness on dragon kick. Milena SHOULD have a safe special like EX tele Kick would be a fair way to get in.
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Do you not hear how insane that all sounds? Mil with her already effective and highly aggravating footsies now has a free way in for pressure?
Kang with his vicious rushdown with a safe entry?
You pretty much just described Kabal. <.<
 
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TheTetraSpirit said:
Buffing bad/meh tools with crazy properties will do more harm than good, wheras nerfing already good tools into manageable areas would be ideal.
Could you imagine if my standing 2 was something like 16 frames and still led to a +8 on block string? Or Jade's staff slam was now 15 frames? It just makes things cheesier, which is never good.
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Not necessarily. If done carefully. We could quite literally adress characters tools in relation to their bad MUs without having to worry about creating more bad MUs or imbalances. We know so much right now. For example: Buffing Jades green glow, and making half here strings safe could really improve her chances against Kabal/Kenshi. Kunglao would still be a bitch but hey the game would be more balanced.

I am pretty excited to try out some different Mod techniques and see how they make the game. My friend is quite good at making Mods as well. We can be really smart with the buffs!
 
Espio

Espio

Kokomo
In any case, I'm down if anybody wants to play my crappy Stryker, Jade and Big Momma Sheevonia ;__________;.

PSN is Espio872 I'll be on today.
 
AssassiN

AssassiN

Warrior
A buff I always imagined for Jade is being able to cancel into her glow, dunno why but I always thought that would be awesome.
Liu Kang and Kitana don't need buffs, lol... It sucks that his Dragon Kick has so much recovery but it's not just a move you throw out there. The only thing I would change about LK is giving him a smaller hitbox or a 6 frame D1 or faster parry. Any of those would solve his problem of having a hard time getting out of pressure.
 
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TheTetraSpirit said:
Do you not hear how insane that all sounds? Mil with her already effective and highly aggravating footsies now has a free way in for pressure?
Kang with his vicious rushdown with a safe entry?
You pretty much just described Kabal. <.<
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And what is wrong with that! Lol. I think Kabal is perfectly fine! :p I guess it depends of people want the game to be safer in general or unsafe...
It just sucks Milena doesn't have a single safe special option...she has to YOLO so hard to win. Regardless ost people, don't punish EX tele properly so not much would change in the MU. Just gurantee her advantage. Nothing wrong with having to respect pressure options I like that.
 
STRYKIE

STRYKIE

Are ya' ready for MK11 kids?!
TheTetraSpirit said:
Do you not hear how insane that all sounds? Mil with her already effective and highly aggravating footsies now has a free way in for pressure?
Kang with his vicious rushdown with a safe entry?
You pretty much just described Kabal. <.<
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Liu Kang will be interpreted as Kabal anyway if we just keep nerfing downwards instead of buffing upwards, remember how there was supposedly nothing dirty about Kabal besides block infinites during the vanilla Cyrax era?
 
TheTetraSpirit

TheTetraSpirit

Kombatant
STRYKIE said:
Liu Kang will be interpreted as Kabal anyway if we just keep nerfing downwards instead of buffing upwards, remember how there was supposedly nothing dirty about Kabal besides block infinites during the vanilla Cyrax era?
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That was because nobody knew anything back then.
The game is much older now, much more fleshed out. Kang won't magically start crushing any character he didn't already and he'll have a fairer chance at the big dogs like everybody else.
 
STRYKIE

STRYKIE

Are ya' ready for MK11 kids?!
TheTetraSpirit said:
That was because nobody knew anything back then.
The game is much older now, much more fleshed out. Kang won't magically start crushing any character he didn't already and he'll have a fairer chance at the big dogs like everybody else.
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Well that's kind of my point, a lot of perspectives can go ignored for years before we see the bigger picture.

I was discussing this with Zoidberg and even I realized, why would Kabal's EX dash be broken but Scorpion's EX spear not? They're almost identical in what they do. Nobody will immediately project Scorp into the top tier because he eliminates your ability to press a button, it's just an example.
 
TheTetraSpirit

TheTetraSpirit

Kombatant
STRYKIE said:
Well that's kind of my point, a lot of perspectives can go ignored for years before we see the bigger picture.

I was discussing this with Zoidberg and even I realized, why would Kabal's EX dash be broken but Scorpion's EX spear not? They're almost identical in what they do. Nobody will immediately project Scorp into the top tier because he eliminates your ability to press a button, it's just an example.
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Scorp's spear doesn't have an all-encompassing hitbox above, below, and behind him, and isn't cancleable into a free armored string.
 
redeyes

redeyes

Button Masher
you guys can try & revive MK fact of the matter is no one wants to spend money to lose to the KKK and a broken robot, a pedofile , or some metrosexual ninja.
 
Deyrax

Deyrax

Skarlet who ?
RiBBz22 said:
It should be interesting to see what happens with the PC version. Maybe the community rallies around that and we come up with a tournament worthy version where Smoke has armor and a +15 D4 on hit and 214 links to smoke bomb.
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How about -10000 on Smoke away and bombs, coward ? M2Dave would be pleased.
 
Deyrax

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Rampage254 said:
Can anyone here even mod the PC version to make it as balanced as possible?
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Depends on modders who can discover how to actually edit the character files. SSF4AE has a very good modding material, I've been modding chars there and it was so much fun.
 
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