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AssassiN

Warrior
It's not too late for the US to get MK9 going again, you guys got a final change to prove there are enough people willing to compete in MK9.
Banning Kabal and Kenshi might be too late/overkill, but I guess whatever it takes to spur up some interest.
 
I keep thinking about getting back into MK and getting my Sektor back. I miss my flamethrower :’(

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Pig Of The Hut

Day 0 Phenomenal Dr. Fate and Darkseid player
Kabal and KL totally invalidate all forms of spacing and footsies.
Kenshi just overwhelms everyone else's, but at least you can try... kinda. <.<
thats not true

If KL defied footsies then KL and kenshi would be 8-2 and infact its 5-5 or adv kenshi

Kabal dominates 90% of the cast hard but there are characters who can fight him far better than anyone can fight scorp
 

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they still allow you to play the game's fundamentals

they make it hella harder but to my knowledge no character has a game that breaks the game's design
I think he was just trolling haha. Without these two characters he would be omega dizzy 24/7

Also, I fucking love Mortal Kombat. The game is pretty balanced despite what people may think. There are at least 10-12 characters that are FT3 tournament viable. With a few buffs to the lower tier characters this game would be perfect and could have 20 characters be tourney viable.

I will be playing on PC and XBL in the future AND MK will be my main focus at EVO.

I would love to de well in Injustice, but since I am sticking with Cyborg I will probably get scrubbed out in pools by a scorpion. Best to wait a year to take it seriously. That way all the kinks of the game are out, and ZOD can reign supreme
 

TheTetraSpirit

Kombatant
thats not true

If KL defied footsies then KL and kenshi would be 8-2 and infact its 5-5 or adv kenshi

Kabal dominates 90% of the cast hard but there are characters who can fight him far better than anyone can fight scorp

You just have all that armor to eat up anything he does. For everyone else, he gets in and gets out pretty much at will for little to no risk.
Same with Kabal, except he has the added benefit of keeping you out with all the other ways of moving as he pleases.
 

Pig Of The Hut

Day 0 Phenomenal Dr. Fate and Darkseid player
You just have all that armor to eat up anything he does. For everyone else, he gets in and gets out pretty much at will for little to no risk.
Same with Kabal, except he has the added benefit of keeping you out with all the other ways of moving as he pleases.
Whatever i dont agree w KL defines the game's footsies.
no

If kenshi can walk so can baraka
 

Glass Sword

Nobody
Well I never quit MK. I'm down for some games whenever. Also...
At this point several of the top players don't want Kenshi and Kabal banned since they either play the characters or take it as some right of passage to slay the characters or both. Pig still has his talking point as well...
 

TheTetraSpirit

Kombatant
Whatever i dont agree w KL defines the game's footsies.
no

If kenshi can walk so can baraka

I'm not comparing them to Scorpion; That's a whole different beast in a game I don't even play.
As far as MK goes, they get to bend the rules that everyone else has to follow to a ridiculous degree.
 

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You just have all that armor to eat up anything he does. For everyone else, he gets in and gets out pretty much at will for little to no risk.
Same with Kabal, except he has the added benefit of keeping you out with all the other ways of moving as he pleases.
Dude you are totally saying this from the perspective of a baraka player! C'mon now, for Baraka yes it is way tougher. If you had slightly better tools you could play footsies with the best of them. Don't blame Kabal/Kenshi/Lao, blame mid/low tier badness. Kabal and Kenshi are good because they have good tools for every scenario. That isn't exactly broken.... they just have good answers. Now Cyrax resets... well that is broken...but w/e he needs it #yolo
 

TheTetraSpirit

Kombatant
Dude you are totally saying this from the perspective of a baraka player! C'mon now, for Baraka yes it is way tougher. If you had slightly better tools you could play footsies with the best of them. Don't blame Kabal/Kenshi/Lao, blame mid/low tier badness. Kabal and Kenshi are good because they have good tools for every scenario. That isn't exactly broken.... they just have good answers. Now Cyrax resets... well that is broken...but w/e he needs it #yolo

I'm saying from the perspective of an MK player. There's very little any character can do to stop most of their bullshit.
 

NRF CharlieMurphy

Kindergarten Meta
Dude you are totally saying this from the perspective of a baraka player! C'mon now, for Baraka yes it is way tougher. If you had slightly better tools you could play footsies with the best of them. Don't blame Kabal/Kenshi/Lao, blame mid/low tier badness. Kabal and Kenshi are good because they have good tools for every scenario. That isn't exactly broken.... they just have good answers. Now Cyrax resets... well that is broken...but w/e he needs it #yolo
Kenshi dominates alot of the cast in the same way Kabal does.... his design is just so

Like I said...... loved the game.... but i'm not paying money again to get mopped up by these characters. It just isn't fun, and even beating them ins't really that satisfying (usually because THEY blew it... not me outplaying them).

We have an opportunity to right the wrongs on the PC version. Will we take it?
 

ETC Mcfly

Warrior
Before I start, I just want everyone to know that this has absolutely nothing to do with the bashing of Injustice or its community.

This thread is to find out who is genuinely interested in starting up Mortal Kombat 9 again. Smash is running an 11 year old game with 550 entrants at EVO while MK9, a 2 year game, will be lucky to surpass 100 entrants. At the moment, maybe people are saying "I'm gonna go learn AE now," or something to that extent because of recent issues with new games. Instead of switching to a different franchise, why not do what other communities do and play the current game until the next generation is out? SF4 was incredibly popular until SF4AE came out. MVC3 was popular until UMVC3 came out. SFxT is basically seen as a sister game to the Capcom community. Instead of dropping a game for a new game, people should continue to support the franchise so that developers can get a better understanding on how to make the follow-up better. Developer's aren't going to create a game and base their development on a game everyone dropped 2 years ago. They're going to be like "Everybody hates Scorpion, but they love General Zod. Fast-paced gameplay isn't the way to go. This will always be a world of zoners." Black Adam reference, but that's not the point. I don't hate this community, I don't mind the complainers, and I don't discredit people's achievements in their games (I was just never into DC, so that's where my dislike for the game comes from :p). I love this community and it's my favorite community out there, but when NRS announces MK10, don't be salty when they disregard your concerns from 2 years back and only take into account what the community prefers in non-MK games.

Also, I now understand what players were talking about during MK9 when they said that patches lost their interest in playing the game. If it's your first competitive fighting game, you may not understand it while it happens, but it does effect how you view the community. PR Balrog, Filipino Champ, Justin Wong, Floe, and Chris G all played and enjoyed MK9. They have been playing fighting games for a while and played MK from the release. Almost all of them have said that while they did enjoy the game, there were too many patches and they progressively lost interest because it was too hard to keep track of the current state of the game. While you can say that MK9 was dominated by Kenshi and Kabal, the only Kabal and Kenshi who consistently dominated the brackets were REO and Pig of the Hut. They didn't even really dominate the brackets either (besides REO towards the end of his MK9 career [after he broke through his character crisis]). This has already happened with many people in the Injustice community, including Rico Suave (One of the top Black Adam players in the country), CDjr (One of the top Superman players in the country), EGP Tyrant (One of the top Grundy/Superman players in the country), and many more. Without a true basis to begin their development, NRS will have to base it on the current state of the community (about a year or two from now), and they will end up patching the game to hell in order to appeal to the community/audience.

Good post...

MK never die ... as long as people keep playing and participating. I've never left MK and I'm still participating in tournaments. The important thing is to find techniques and things to keep the game fresh. I now I have my new KL 3.0.
 

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I'm saying from the perspective of an MK player. There's very little any character can do to stop most of their bullshit.
Kabal zoning is easy to get around with dash cancels in this game if you have practiced it. Hit buttons between Kabal cancel pressure for full combo or jump out. Simple baited counter pokes work great too. Also, you can punish saw blades midscreen and hookswords in the corner.

Kabal actual has a lot of holes/weaknesses, especially in the corner and people have YET to learn how to exploit them. If MK had a practice mode like Injustice people would be so much better at their MUs

IMO the most broken part of Kabal is his ability to full combo punish you with IAGB from anywhere on screen. His Cancel pressure is VERY manageable...but it is easy to get overwhlemed.

The simple answer here is to buff the lower tier characters so they can compete 5-5 with the like of Kabal/Kenshi. It would be really easy to Buff Jade up so that she could beat Kabal 6-4... I mean c'mon people!!!
 

Espio

Kokomo
Dude you are totally saying this from the perspective of a baraka player! C'mon now, for Baraka yes it is way tougher. If you had slightly better tools you could play footsies with the best of them. Don't blame Kabal/Kenshi/Lao, blame mid/low tier badness. Kabal and Kenshi are good because they have good tools for every scenario. That isn't exactly broken.... they just have good answers. Now Cyrax resets... well that is broken...but w/e he needs it #yolo

Is he really though? Kitana, Cage, Liu Kang, and Mileena among some others....who are considered very great/decent characters get bodied by Kenshi...it's not just low tier characters and several of those are 8-2 match ups.

When two characters ruin the vast majority of the roster, even the supposed good characters it has nothing to do with low tier "badness".
 

Faded Dreams V

Retired June 2012. Unretired June 2013.
I know this topic is orientated towards offline players, but I'll give my opinion anyways:

Input bug, meter glitch, supposed first player advantage, characters that need serious fixing (Smoke, Kenshi, Kabal, Cyrax), shitty ass netcode, characters that have an unfair advantage in lag (Reptile, Raiden, Kung Lao), characters with just overall shitty designs (Johnny Cage, Quan Chi, Sonya), a majority of characters with wake-ups that have invincibility frames and lead to either massive damage or advantage, exclusive armored moves that launch for ridiculous damage (EX Cartwheel, EX Roundhouse, EX Nomad Dash, etc.), no push block, characters getting set-ups from breakers, and so on.

If there was a UMK9, I would zoom to that game in a heartbeat, but as it stands, this game has serious flaws and poor design choices that turn me off now that I have played Injustice. Online is also abysmally awful. Say what you want about Injustice being a jump fest, but at least it remains consistent on and offline (besides combo dropping); MK just throws some key fundamental aspects of the game out the window. Not to mention everyone and their mothers play Johnny Cage, Sonya, Kung Lao, or Raiden to abuse that fact.

That said, I'll still play anyone who wants to now that I have the game again. :)
 

TheTetraSpirit

Kombatant
Kabal zoning is easy to get around with dash cancels in this game if you have practiced it. Hit buttons between Kabal cancel pressure for full combo or jump out. Simple baited counter pokes work great too. Also, you can punish saw blades midscreen and hookswords in the corner.

Kabal actual has a lot of holes/weaknesses, especially in the corner and people have YET to learn how to exploit them. If MK had a practice mode like Injustice people would be so much better at their MUs

IMO the most broken part of Kabal is his ability to full combo punish you with IAGB from anywhere on screen. His Cancel pressure is VERY manageable...but it is easy to get overwhlemed.

The simple answer here is to buff the lower tier characters so they can compete 5-5 with the like of Kabal/Kenshi. It would be really easy to Buff Jade up so that she could beat Kabal 6-4... I mean c'mon people!!!

Buffing bad/meh tools with crazy properties will do more harm than good, wheras nerfing already good tools into manageable areas would be ideal.
Could you imagine if my standing 2 was something like 16 frames and still led to a +8 on block string? Or Jade's staff slam was now 15 frames? It just makes things cheesier, which is never good.
 

STRYKIE

Are ya' ready for MK11 kids?!
Sounds good to me. Can we buff Scorpion then?

In all seriousness, why is Kenshi still trying to be forced on the same pedestal as Kabal? Do some of you guys just visualize the Sektor/Cage -Kenshi matchups as Kenshi chucking out whatever he wants and it'll hit no matter what? That totally worked at UFGT and FR16.

Just some food for thought - Kenshi vs Scorp is a fairly even matchup, although if you try to preach Kenshi's design hues all day with some autopilot mindset then it would be 7-3 Scorp's favor at the very least.

Seems to me ever since Injustice was first announced (keep in mind at the time Pig hadn't won a tournament yet, but it makes no difference to him since he was still earning more winnings than most) the majority slowly gave up exploring this game and gravitated towards the prospect of Injustice being more balanced, and now the harsh reality has come to light, everyone's coming crawling back.

There's a reason why REO is one of the greatest pure NRS fighting game players of all time, not just in MK9 or IGAU.