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So im hearing some chatter about the amount of bad matchups in Injustice.

CamChattic

Eternal Champion of Justice
Because I play lots of fighting games and I can tell you, the hardest ones are probably TTT2 and SSBB (SSBM is hard too but it is more agressive, so patience is not that important). If you want to get better at analysing every single factor to win a MU you should play SSBB. Unless you use MK or Olimar, in that case it is going to be easy shit.
I've been playing tekken as my main game since t1 and just like VF the characters are very similar system knowledge esp concerning movement is key. I don't hate smash or anyone who plays it I just don't like it I understand it but in play it makes no sense to me and I just don't find it very fun.
 
Because I play lots of fighting games and I can tell you, the hardest ones are probably TTT2 and SSBB (SSBM is hard too but it is more agressive, so patience is not that important). If you want to get better at analysing every single factor to win a MU you should play SSBB. Unless you use MK or Olimar, in that case it is going to be easy shit.
Im not going to lie I love the smash bros games and had sessions with friends that started at 8:00 pm which lasted till 5:00am. Ive been playing Smash since the N64 version was first released and been a fan ever since. I would call smash bros more of a hybrid type of fighting game then a traditional fighting game but yes you need to have great reaction time to do well at smash bros. For anyone who insults smash bros its obvious you haven't put in the time to learn to play those games.

Theres nothing like four players fighting each other at once and have great gameplay at the same time. Talk about always having to be alert and on your toes love me some smash bros.
 
The only thing bad about a MU heavy game is when the top characters don't have any bad MUs

there is no reason to not play Batman, Superman, Black Adam or Killer Frost

I don't know about the other 3, but for sure batman has issue's with the aquaman match-up. It's funny you say there's no reason not to play him when at ECT Reo had to switch from batman against tom because he just couldn't deal with the MU.

I do agree with your sentiment, but only time will tell if the other 3 don't have any bad MU's at all, I doubt this early into the game we've seen all the match-ups play out.
 
I've been playing tekken as my main game since t1 and just like VF the characters are very similar system knowledge esp concerning movement is key. I don't hate smash or anyone who plays it I just don't like it I understand it but in play it makes no sense to me and I just don't find it very fun.
Like smash ive been playing VF since the first one was released in arcades but I really didn't get into the franchise till VF3. No fighting game has Yomi game that VF does and for those of you that don't know mind games. My favorite traditional fighting game is easily VF and hybrid SB. Fuudo said it best when hes competing in SSFIV its like hes trying to beat that character but when hes playing VF it feels like hes actually trying to beat that player. Movement is a big part of VF but so is making the right guesses/reads.

Not only that but knowing your character is key in VF5FS because you need to know what moves work in certain situations. For example the range of the attacks your using and not to use certain attacks to close because there to much of a risk. I can go on for a while but ill just leave it at that. I like DOA5 but to me its still isn't anywhere near as solid as VF5FS. When it comes to Injustice I made this topic to put it out in the open about people who might be misinformed about the amount of bad matchups in this game.

Not only that but to discuss how bad some of the matchups in this game are which isnt a bad thing every fighting game has them however it does becomes a problem when certain characters are head and shoulders better than the rest of the cast. It forces you to use those characters that you wouldn't have to use when it comes to high level play like say tournaments. No one wants to see the same damn characters being used in the top 10 and to make things worse some of the cast might not even be bothered with at high level play which is a shame. I also want to keep bringing up the fact that NRS for better or worse are going to keep releasing balance patches so people that feel that things are set in stone understand we aren't playing the final version of Injustice.

I really do hope this game succeeds and does well in high level play because lets face it It'll keep injustice relevant. UMvC3 for example didn't meet sales expectations at first but due to the game getting so much love from the tournament scene the game stayed relevant which help the game eventually reach its sales goals. Not only that but most of us appreciate watching some of our favorite characters being used and succeeding at a high level. No fighting game is perfectly balanced (Don't fucking bring up karate champ) but its nice to be able to pick up any character you want while not having to face frustratingly bad matchups. So yea Injustice is fun as fuck so I really do hope this game only gets better over time.
 

CamChattic

Eternal Champion of Justice
Not only that but most of us appreciate watching some of our favorite characters being used and succeeding at a high level. No fighting game is perfectly balanced (Don't fucking bring up karate champ) but its nice to be able to pick up any character you want while not having to face frustratingly bad matchups. So yea Injustice is fun as fuck so I really do hope this game only gets better over time.
The thing is this there have been a pretty varied amount of characters in top 8's but the same players thi speaks to the balance of injustice when you can change up completely and your skill As a player still shows. I think injustice has a nice mix of universal options and situational tools for each character I think risk reward in the design was very well thought out and characters still retain there uniqueness I think it's very guilty gear-ish in this respect a game that habits own supposed "balance issues" but still has very varied tournament results when it comes to characters.
 

CY MasterHavik

Master of Chaos and Jax
Do you have a match up list of VF5FS because im pretty damn sure the matchups aren't nearly as bad in that game which is easily a few years older than Injustice. The VF games are known for being pretty damn balanced and I think maybe taka has the worst matchups however even I don't think there as bad as the worst matchups in Injustice. Also which VF and DOA games are you referring too? DOA5 might have a bad 7-3 matchups but I don't know if that's the case for VF5FS.

Either way we know well be getting changes with each patch so its a fact that the game wont remain the same.
Well even with the most balance game there can lame ones. You know blazblue? Play Tager vs. a robot and hazama. It's horrible people like akira and mikeZ have pull it off.


I would like to show you Sinestro vs Hawkgirl and Superman vs. Bane. If you think 8-2 match-ups are still tolerable in a game, I'm fine with that... given so many people still love Super Turbo Honda to death.

But I for one don't think a game where a few characters worst match-up is a 4-6 and they all loop back within their small little group of 5 characters is good at all. How many times can we see Black Adam and Superman...
I would like to show you sakura vs. vanilla sagat in SF4 vanilla.:)
 

CamChattic

Eternal Champion of Justice
I would like to show you sakura vs. vanilla sagat in SF4 vanilla.:)
Sagat would actually stand a chance if we had today's tech back in vanillas day it would probably have been the most balanced version save for guile being complete butt because of charge time
 

ceemurda

Tha BLakk ROBOCOP
This game has some of the worst
Match ups ive seen in a fighting game period.. Not to mention the terrible online community that doesnt want to play someone with a better record than them in a player match and when someone does play you they rage quit ....

Its a player match... To make matters worse ive only played 2 good scorpion players that dont spam tele's and hellfire much like ive only played 4 good deathstroke players that dont pick ferris or watchtower to spam interactables or do jump back guns..

Mu's omg could lobo be so worthless against almost every character? Im lucky to have such a decent record in this without using batman, aquaman, black adam, doomsday, green lantern and superman...

This game makes me want to just play it on a tourney level to avoid all the silly scrubbiness I see online
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ceemurda

Tha BLakk ROBOCOP
No fighting game is perfectly balanced
Well kof13 and tekken are damn near close to being the moat balance and well rounded fighting games ive played.. Granted that both franchises been around longer than injustice but they both have far less stupid shyt and are based on solid fighting..

Injustice might be the first fighting game ive played where someone can super using 2 buttons and cant be punish by a full combo by most characters on block... Lol

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What is this thread accomplishing exactly?
Its called bringing up a topic and debating it. Let me ask you a question what do most threads accomplish? Im pretty sure this thread has gotten a lot more insightful comments/information than a good majority.
 
Well even with the most balance game there can lame ones. You know blazblue? Play Tager vs. a robot and hazama. It's horrible people like akira and mikeZ have pull it off.


I would like to show you sakura vs. vanilla sagat in SF4 vanilla.:)
I agree other fighting games have bad matchups but some people feel this game has more bad matchups then those said games.
 
Well kof13 and tekken are damn near close to being the moat balance and well rounded fighting games ive played.. Granted that both franchises been around longer than injustice but they both have far less stupid shyt and are based on solid fighting..

Injustice might be the first fighting game ive played where someone can super using 2 buttons and cant be punish by a full combo by most characters on block... Lol

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You said it yourself those two fighting games have been around longer A LOT LONGER but you also have to remember this is a different type of fighting game. You don't need to have a bunch of buttons for a fighting game to be solid just look at one of the most solid fighting games VF5FS. Im not a big fan of the MvC games but people are doing a lot of combos with the few buttons used in UMvC3. Once again each fighting plays differently.
 
This game has some of the worst
Match ups ive seen in a fighting game period.. Not to mention the terrible online community that doesnt want to play someone with a better record than them in a player match and when someone does play you they rage quit ....

Its a player match... To make matters worse ive only played 2 good scorpion players that dont spam tele's and hellfire much like ive only played 4 good deathstroke players that dont pick ferris or watchtower to spam interactables or do jump back guns..

Mu's omg could lobo be so worthless against almost every character? Im lucky to have such a decent record in this without using batman, aquaman, black adam, doomsday, green lantern and superman...

This game makes me want to just play it on a tourney level to avoid all the silly scrubbiness I see online
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Im not going to lie I love Lobo but he does feel like the Dan of this game.
 

Killzone

Warrior
Nerf Metro Rooftop.
That stage is fucking stupid and that not, because it favors power characters, but because it's fucked up and broken without there being any logic behind it.
Why can gadget characters and acrobats throw the drone in the Watchtower, but not the one on the Metropolis rooftop? That's fucked up.
What's up with the RIDICULOUS hitbox of the explosion on Metropolis rooftop? It's nearly impossible to jump away. I'm not sure if it's possible at all, even if you time it perfectly. That's broken.