So im hearing some chatter about the amount of bad matchups in Injustice.

[BlackBryan]

The salt fed MK.

The salt will feed Injustice.

 

[TheTHCGamer]

Thanks for all the replies so far and hopefully in time with PROPER balance changes we can get a more balanced game. I believe in subtle changes over time because making a drastic change increases the chances of a character becoming OP or too weak which would just make things worse. Still its really early in this games life so its a matter of trying to figure out the right way to buff characters or if needed nerf characters. Also remember no fighting game is perfectly balanced but with the right changes a game can get pretty close. Id also like to bring up one more point when people bring up games like SSFIV AE please remember how many changes that game went through.

 

[NightwingDayZero]

You do realize that you could just as wrong as you're implying he is by posting tournament results for a game that was out for about a month, being played on a patch that was out for way less than that? How do you know when that when this game has fully developed it won't be nothing but black adam players in top8?

Yes, in the future I could be wrong. At the present moment, nothing indicates to me that Black Adam will be the only character found in an Injustice Top 8 bracket.

What makes you think Batman/Superman/Black Adam won't go the way of Iceman in MvC2? Everyone swears up and down Batman is top tier, but I haven't seen a single player jump out of his "free pressure" b23 string in tournament. There's tech to beat these characters, no one is exercising it.

 

[Goldi]

What irritates me is when Jade vs Kenshi in MK got attention, the Jade community was quick to look for an answer, explore the match up, snipe at each other a little, but eventually just share what we knew and work together to get through it. Very few of us were like "I'm dropping Jade/quitting MK/screw NRS/ buff this nerf that." We just accepted the nasty match up and tried to find ways to win it. Even though we all knew it could never be done consistently.

There was some determination and optimism and feistiness to the community. Now it's ... Well, very much "someone needs to fix this" "woe is me/ it's over/ X is dead/ This game sucks/ Broken/ I give up/ meme." There's no helping ourselves, you know? Maybe just because Injustice is still very young. NRS makes some... Nerve shattering games lol.

 

[MorbidAltruism]

What irritates me is when Jade vs Kenshi in MK got attention, the Jade community was quick to look for an answer, explore the match up, snipe at each other a little, but eventually just share what we knew and work together to get through it. Very few of us were like "I'm dropping Jade/quitting MK/screw NRS/ buff this nerf that." We just accepted the nasty match up and tried to find ways to win it. Even though we all knew it could never be done consistently.

There was some determination and optimism and feistiness to the community. Now it's ... Well, very much "someone needs to fix this" "woe is me/ it's over/ X is dead/ This game sucks/ Broken/ I give up/ meme." There's no helping ourselves, you know? Maybe just because Injustice is still very young. NRS makes some... Nerve shattering games lol.

To be fair the MK community isn't the Injustice community. There are a lot of new people that attenuate what the MK was all about.

 

[Rude]

These arguments are circular and have no end.

 

[EGP Wonder_Chef]

I think a lot of the matchups in this game are actually really bad mostly due to the lack of footsies in the game due to the lack of mobility.

I mean take a game like MK9, if you were great at footsies you could use a char with below average footsies tools and outfootsie a character with great ones (like liu, sonya, cage.) It would be hard but it was TOTALLY possible even in a high level tournament setting.

Now look at this game. How are characters like Joker or Harley supposed to outfootsie characters like Superman, Green Lantern, or YOLO FROST SLIDE? They can't safely dash in, so they have to use their terrible walk speed, and at a certain range, there is just nothing that they can do to beat a Supes F23 for example. If the walk speed was good in this game, moving in and out of F23 range would be a great way to bait it, however at the current time that is impossible with most chars.



tl;dr

Lack of Mobility = Lack of ways to play a matchup = Bad Matchups

 

[EGP Wonder_Chef]

Oh and to add to my last post, some character with great dashes and great footsies tools actually can play footsies with eachother, like in a Superman vs Bladam match you end up seeing a LOT of dashing and using their extremely strong footsies tools to whiff punish.

Just 90% of characters can't do that.

 

[Lt. Boxy Angelman]

These arguments are circular and have no end.

I'm starting to feel the same way.

I need more beer.

 

[Rude]

I'm starting to feel the same way.

I need more beer.

The reactions to this game want me to kill the six pack of Killian's in my fridge. Jesus. These people.

 

[Lt. Boxy Angelman]

The reactions to this game want me to kill the six pack of Killian's in my fridge. Jesus. These people.

It's getting kind of flustering.

Also: you need to teach me how to fight Batgirl.
I hate her. I hate her so much, you can feel it in my pulse.

*pum pump* *fuck you, Batgirl* *pum Pump* *eat a cactus, you gutter munch* *PUM pump PUM*

 

[Rude]

It's getting kind of flustering.

Also: you need to teach me how to fight Batgirl.
I hate her. I hate her so much, you can feel it in my pulse.

*pum pump* *fuck you, Batgirl* *pum Pump* *eat a cactus, you gutter munch* *PUM pump PUM*

Batgiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiirl, BATGIRL!

 

[Lt. Boxy Angelman]

Oh and to add to my last post, some character with great dashes and great footsies tools actually can play footsies with eachother, like in a Superman vs Bladam match you end up seeing a LOT of dashing and using their extremely strong footsies tools to whiff punish.

Just 90% of characters can't do that.

Chef has brains.

Please listen to Chef.

You forever altered MK with a dash nerf.
Why not forever alter IGAU with a dash buff?

For crying out loud, Scorpion just became the Donnie Darko of Injustice and broke every rule in the book without the help of a giant bunny or time travel.
Give the rest of the cast a shot to get equally dirty.

Fuck sense, fuck order, fuck the code.
Go Marvel. Get fucking ridiculous.

 

[GodsLonelyman]

Scorpion just became the Donnie Darko of Injustice and broke every rule in the book without the help of a giant bunny or time travel

Dude that is the greatest thing I have ever seen written in this forum!

 

[TheTHCGamer]

I think a lot of the matchups in this game are actually really bad mostly due to the lack of footsies in the game due to the lack of mobility.

I mean take a game like MK9, if you were great at footsies you could use a char with below average footsies tools and outfootsie a character with great ones (like liu, sonya, cage.) It would be hard but it was TOTALLY possible even in a high level tournament setting.

Now look at this game. How are characters like Joker or Harley supposed to outfootsie characters like Superman, Green Lantern, or YOLO FROST SLIDE? They can't safely dash in, so they have to use their terrible walk speed, and at a certain range, there is just nothing that they can do to beat a Supes F23 for example. If the walk speed was good in this game, moving in and out of F23 range would be a great way to bait it, however at the current time that is impossible with most chars.



tl;dr

Lack of Mobility = Lack of ways to play a matchup = Bad Matchups

Unfortunately you absolutely right and by the way I played your Shazam the other night he was BEAST. Some times the most damage that is done is when you actually make it inside and get lit up for a big combo. Im pretty sure the best characters as of right now are the ones that have a good zoning game and that will punish you with there great inside game when you actually get in. For example superman can beat you from long range but if you make a mistake when you work your way in be prepared to eat a devastating combo. Tack on a full screen super and your in business.

 

[TheTHCGamer]

Chef has brains.

Please listen to Chef.

You forever altered MK with a dash nerf.
Why not forever alter IGAU with a dash buff?

For crying out loud, Scorpion just became the Donnie Darko of Injustice and broke every rule in the book without the help of a giant bunny or time travel.
Give the rest of the cast a shot to get equally dirty.

Fuck sense, fuck order, fuck the code.
Go Marvel. Get fucking ridiculous.

Was listening to the Donnie Dark soundtrack on my way to work. Love that movie and so many great lines. First of all, Papa Smurf didn't create Smurfette. Gargamel did. She was sent in as Gargamel's evil spy with the intention of destroying the Smurf village. But the overwhelming goodness of the Smurf way of life transformed her. And as for the whole gang-bang scenario - It just couldn't happen. Smurfs are asexual. They don't even have reproductive organs under those little white pants. That's what's so illogical, you know, about being a Smurf. What's the point of living... if you don't have a dick?

 

[CY MasterHavik]

overreacting once again...a game that is matchup heavy isn't a bad thing VF is match up too. But the worst mu is 6-4. the worst mu in DOA is 7-3.

 

[DesuBlade]

At least I can say with confidence that Lobo doesn't win a single Match-up in the game. That's about all people can agree with. Other than that, stop overreacting to the fact that your character has 4 bad Match-ups when mine doesn't have a single good one.

 

[CamChattic]

This game has the worst match ups people who play fighting games vs comic book scrubs and gamefaqs whiners is a 10-0 matchup

 

[SaltShaker]

VF is more balanced than this game ever will be.

I hope you aren't saying the worst MU in Injustice is 6-4 because you couldn't be more wrong.


To the OP. I don't think the MU's are as bad as people are making them out to be overall, but there are some pretty brutal ones. Nightwing>Grundy, Scorpion>zoners, Sinestro>Cyborg, Supes and Hawkgirl>Bane, etc etc.

 

[rurounikenshin]

um, you guys don´t play SSBB, Right?

 

[CamChattic]

um, you guys don´t play SSBB, Right?

Why would any one do that to themselves

Also VF is a completely different beast because everyone has pretty much the same tools the game works in absolutes and the system pretty much owns the whole game

 

[TheTHCGamer]

overreacting once again...a game that is matchup heavy isn't a bad thing VF is match up too. But the worst mu is 6-4. the worst mu in DOA is 7-3.

Do you have a match up list of VF5FS because im pretty damn sure the matchups aren't nearly as bad in that game which is easily a few years older than Injustice. The VF games are known for being pretty damn balanced and I think maybe taka has the worst matchups however even I don't think there as bad as the worst matchups in Injustice. Also which VF and DOA games are you referring too? DOA5 might have a bad 7-3 matchups but I don't know if that's the case for VF5FS.

Either way we know well be getting changes with each patch so its a fact that the game wont remain the same.

 

[rurounikenshin]

Why would any one do that to themselves

Also VF is a completely different beast because everyone has pretty much the same tools the game works in absolutes and the system pretty much owns the whole game

Because I play lots of fighting games and I can tell you, the hardest ones are probably TTT2 and SSBB (SSBM is hard too but it is more agressive, so patience is not that important). If you want to get better at analysing every single factor to win a MU you should play SSBB. Unless you use MK or Olimar, in that case it is going to be easy shit.

 

[D_Matt_Ma]

overreacting once again...a game that is matchup heavy isn't a bad thing VF is match up too. But the worst mu is 6-4. the worst mu in DOA is 7-3.

I would like to show you Sinestro vs Hawkgirl and Superman vs. Bane. If you think 8-2 match-ups are still tolerable in a game, I'm fine with that... given so many people still love Super Turbo Honda to death.

But I for one don't think a game where a few characters worst match-up is a 4-6 and they all loop back within their small little group of 5 characters is good at all. How many times can we see Black Adam and Superman...