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Doombawkz

Trust me, I'm a doctor
They're both really annoying to get in on. Like, Joker can just be really obnoxious with teeth since its a low and start throwing overheads on top of them.

I only played EMPEROR_DARK and like all EMPs his connection is utter shit, so I won't say I was too comfortable in the match up to begin with as my first good Joker. Pig Of The Hut Cat (if you're on PSN at all) please grind this match up with me lol, I really need to figure it out because it's driving me crazy.
I actually was going to play Pig later on because I haven't played anyone famous yet (Except mustard I guess)
 

Doombawkz

Trust me, I'm a doctor
We should make it a lobby but we can't connect. :(

Banes can all take turns getting bodied lol
It'd be kinda unfair to you because while we are getting bodied by Pig, you'd be getting bodied by both Pig AND me.
 

big_aug

Kombatant
I just tried about 30 times to stuff cleaver on wake up with b1double punch in practice mode, and I'm not able to do that.
If you can, please record it
No, I can't record. All the b1 is for really is to delay the double punch and eat up the invincible frames. You can just wait and stuff it with a double punch. B1 canceled into DP will get people blocking instead of wakeup attack though.
 

Asodimazze

https://twitter.com/AlfioZacco
No, I can't record. All the b1 is for really is to delay the double punch and eat up the invincible frames. You can just wait and stuff it with a double punch. B1 canceled into DP will get people blocking though though.

After many many tries I've only been able to trade twice...trying to stuff cleaver on wake up in an actual match doesn't look like a good idea to me
 

LEGI0N47

I like to play bad characters
Timing wake up stuffs in rather challenging IMO no matter who you are. I seldomly try on-line anymore against decent players as well as MU dependent. And if it doesn't have armor I've stopped trying, eaten too many combos.
 

Doombawkz

Trust me, I'm a doctor
I don't like the idea of using numbers this early on, especially with all of the underdeveloped and underutilized tools available to us.

Instead of throwing out 8-2 and 7-3, can we just categorize them as "Extreme difficulty" "Mild Difficulty" "Mild Advantage" and "Extreme advantage"? It emcompasses the same idea and translates out the same, but without trying to approximate using numbers.
 

big_aug

Kombatant
I don't like the idea of using numbers this early on, especially with all of the underdeveloped and underutilized tools available to us.

Instead of throwing out 8-2 and 7-3, can we just categorize them as "Extreme difficulty" "Mild Difficulty" "Mild Advantage" and "Extreme advantage"? It emcompasses the same idea and translates out the same, but without trying to approximate using numbers.
It's the same thing. It just groups numbers into ranges.
 

Doombawkz

Trust me, I'm a doctor
It's the same thing. It just groups numbers into ranges.
Exactly. However, everyone is like "Oh Bane is 8-2 this or that" and its far too early to be saying such numbers with so much confidence. Saying he has "extreme difficulty" is the same without making it seem completely lopsided. "Black adam is an 8-2" versus "The MU against Black Adam is extremely difficult", one of them categorizes the MU as a whole in 1/10, while the extreme difficulty puts it in a 1/4 perspective
 

big_aug

Kombatant
Exactly. However, everyone is like "Oh Bane is 8-2 this or that" and its far too early to be saying such numbers with so much confidence. Saying he has "extreme difficulty" is the same without making it seem completely lopsided. "Black adam is an 8-2" versus "The MU against Black Adam is extremely difficult", one of them categorizes the MU as a whole in 1/10, while the extreme difficulty puts it in a 1/4 perspective
Why bother? Nothing is set in stone anyway. Everyone seems to know what the numbers mean. Why try to reinvent the wheel?
 

Doombawkz

Trust me, I'm a doctor
Why bother? Nothing is set in stone anyway. Everyone seems to know what the numbers mean. Why try to reinvent the wheel?
Because we are trying to put a wheel on a car that hasn't even been invented yet. We just made the wheel, trying to slap it on a mustang this soon just seems foolhardy to me.
 

big_aug

Kombatant
Because we are trying to put a wheel on a car that hasn't even been invented yet. We just made the wheel, trying to slap it on a mustang this soon just seems foolhardy to me.
Do you really think there is so much undiscovered tech that is going to make our lives easier in a projectile heavy game when we have no range attack options?
 

Doombawkz

Trust me, I'm a doctor
Do you really think there is so much undiscovered tech that is going to make our lives easier in a projectile heavy game when we have no range attack options?
Honestly, if someone like BA who has worse wake-up than superman is an 8-2 and supes is only a 5-5, then I feel like we might be placing too much faith in our numbered opinions.
 

big_aug

Kombatant
Honestly, if someone like BA who has worse wake-up than superman is an 8-2 and supes is only a 5-5, then I feel like we might be placing too much faith in our numbered opinions.
LOL at supes being 5-5

Wake up options aren't the end all be all here. If we guess wrong we very well might be full screen again.
 

Doombawkz

Trust me, I'm a doctor
LOL at supes being 5-5

Wake up options aren't the end all be all here. If we guess wrong we very well might be full screen again.
Wake-up options against Bane ARE the end-all-be-all. Projectiles mean nothing if you never get off the ground.
And yes, supes is 5-5.
 

RYX

BIG PUSHER
Honestly, if someone like BA who has worse wake-up than superman is an 8-2 and supes is only a 5-5, then I feel like we might be placing too much faith in our numbered opinions.
Wake ups aren't really everything. Let's consider how hard Black Adam can punish a poorly timed move and how he pretty much negates armor with lightning and trait.

Superman is also pretty bad.
 

big_aug

Kombatant
Wake-up options against Bane ARE the end-all-be-all. Projectiles mean nothing if you never get off the ground.
And yes, supes is 5-5.
You're smoking crack.

You act like you are going to stuff them EVERY time and that they will do no damage at all while you are trying to get in on them.