Match-up Discussion Bane Matchup Discussion

[big_aug]

big_aug So I'm clear, I can block the 1st and if my timing is right, I can jump over the 2nd? I don't even care if he's blocking, I just want to be in his face

If he uses chain guns back to back, you might be able to jump a normal one, but it seems risky. What you can do is block the first one and charge the second one as long as your out of range. The pushback on it alone gets you basically out of range.

GL thinks he can spam that shit on us and we can't get in, so it should be easy to bait one just out of range. Just be careful because the MB version has slightly longer range. It is definitely punishable if he whiffs it with worst case scenario being a blocked charge.

 

[JaredL]

According to Nori Batousai superman vs Bane is 4-6 to bane.

So, tell me, how does Bane approach this matchup?

Considering how Supermans trait invalidates Banes trait, considering how Supermans F23 is faster than literally every single move in Banes move list, and longer range than his B23 and his D1.

Please, educate us all.

 

[RWDY Nori]

JaredL is assuming also Superman's trait is activated the entire match for some reason also, keep that in mind. I've tried very hard to tell him it's a bad matchup not a 8-2 matchup like he seems to make it out to be. If anybody can get through to him more power to you

 

[JaredL]

JaredL is assuming also Superman's trait is activated the entire match for some reason also, keep that in mind. I've tried very hard to tell him it's a bad matchup not a 8-2 matchup like he seems to make it out to be. If anybody can get through to him more power to you

Superman can activate his trait on reaction to you using yours. Superman can keep you out VERY easily. Superman has no negatives from his trait, no debuff.

Supermans plan is REALLY easy. Zone you, and if you try to get in, he simple needs to meterburn his air lasers to stop a level 1/2 charge, or he simply needs to walk backwards, as he has fast backwards speed, and simply F23 on reaction to you doing a jump in or D1

 

[big_aug]

I don't think Bane has a 2-8 match up post patch. I'm not good and I'm a fighting game newb though.

If Superman has his trait up, just stay the fuck away lol

 

[RWDY Nori]

I don't think Bane has an 2-8 match up post patch. I'm not good and I'm a fighting game newb though.

If Superman has his trait up, just stay the fuck away lol

haha your troll meter is way up right now

 

[big_aug]

Superman can activate his trait on reaction to you using yours. Superman can keep you out VERY easily. Superman has no negatives from his trait, no debuff.

Supermans plan is REALLY easy. Zone you, and if you try to get in, he simple needs to meterburn his air lasers to stop a level 1/2 charge, or he simply needs to walk backwards, as he has fast backwards speed, and simply F23 on reaction to you doing a jump in or D1

You are supposed to block and dash his lasers or jump dash.

 

[big_aug]

haha your troll meter is way up right now

I'm totally serious. I don't think anyone is a 2-8 match up. I don't even know what those numbers mean to be completely honest though.

 

[JaredL]

You are supposed to block and dash his lasers or jump dash.

Yes, you are. That's not the point. Superman does that to bait you in because the chip is unbearable.

So, what options does Bane have getting in? His normals are all ass. Supermans F23 is longer range, and faster than D1, so you can't even dash D1 into double punch.

You can't jump in because of his fast backwards walk speed.

 

[big_aug]

Yes, you are. That's not the point. Superman does that to bait you in because the chip is unbearable.

So, what options does Bane have getting in? His normals are all ass. Supermans F23 is longer range, and faster than D1, so you can't even dash D1 into double punch.

You can't jump in because of his fast backwards walk speed.

Dude, FUCK D1. Use something with armor. If he is going to attack you, use armord moves to go through it.

Not saying I don't use D1 because I do. But damn if he's baiting you just armor up.

 

[RWDY Nori]

Good luck big_aug I'm going to sit back and watch this train wreck and grab some popcorn

 

[JaredL]

Dude, FUCK D1. Use something with armor. If he is going to attack you, use armord moves to go through it.

Not saying I don't use D1 because I do. But damn if he's baiting you just armor up.

I wonder if superman has a way to deal with armor? I forget.

 

[JaredL]

Good luck big_aug I'm going to sit back and watch this train wreck and grab some popcorn

You said you'd educate us? Well, go on then? You don't mean to tell me that you are telling us that you know how to fight superman, and that it must be taken to the bane forums, only for you to let other Bane players to talk?

How fucking pathetic.

 

[big_aug]

I wonder if superman has a way to deal with armor? I forget.

He has to activate it and it doesn't last forever nor does it last as long as our trait.

 

[RWDY Nori]

Remember big_aug Superman's trait is infinite and doesn't run out. You can't block his lasers and dash in, according to JaredL. You can't neutral jump his air laser either. It's like talking to a 9 year old lol

 

[JaredL]

He has to activate it and it doesn't last forever nor does it last as long as our trait.

No, but his activation is near instant and not punishable.

It lasts a very good amount of time, and it recovers very quickly.

So, while you are spending time getting in, it will likely recover.

 

[RWDY Nori]

You said you'd educate us? Well, go on then? You don't mean to tell me that you are telling us that you know how to fight superman, and that it must be taken to the bane forums, only for you to let other Bane players to talk?

How fucking pathetic.

Who's "us"? You're the only one who is insisting on arguing on a concept most people seem to easily grasp. Saying INCREDIBLY stupid things like a good superman will NEVER let you even DO D1 is probably a stopping point for me continuing.

 

[big_aug]

It's not like we are favored in the match up or it's easy.

Someone explain what 2-8 means, seriously.

 

[RWDY Nori]

It's not like we are favored in the match up or it's easy.

Someone explain what 2-8 means, seriously.

Let's say a match is even. If the best player of that char played the best player of the other char, 5 out of 5 times they would win, match even. What top player JaredL is saying is that 2 times out of 10 Bane would beat Superman, which is silly. He's making the comparison like it's one of the worst matchups in the game when it's obviously far from true

And yes, I did explain to him it's a hardmatchup and I did explain Superman is favored but he's acting like it's some kind of landslide and he won't be satisfied until the world agrees w/his ignorance

 

[JaredL]

Who's "us"? You're the only one who is insisting on arguing on a concept most people seem to easily grasp. Saying INCREDIBLY stupid things like a good superman will NEVER let you even DO D1 is probably a stopping point for me continuing.

If a superman is good, he won't let you do it. Superman is not even down if you hit him with a D1. I don't know why you think a single D1 means you are in and superman loses.

Supermans has a MUCH greater chance of hitting you with an F23, than you hitting him with a D1.

One does 2% and has some stun, the other leads to 30%+ combos.

One has greater range than the other. One is faster than the other. The faster, longer range one is more likely to happen.

 

[big_aug]

Who even cares?

I beat Superman's who are pretty good and I lose a lot to them too. I never feel like I couldn't have beat them though.

Superman is a bad match up though.

 

[RWDY Nori]

Who even cares.

I beat Superman's who are pretty good and I lose a lot to them too. I never feel like I couldn't have beat them though.

To catch you up, it started w/him talking about Bane like understood the char. Turns out as I suspected, he doesn't. He then says his frame data is "shit" and naturally that's not correct. I said Bane is at plus frames on certain moves. That wasn't good enough for him. He then counter points every scenario you have like Superman can do 3000 things at one time and Superman will make 100% reads against you all the time (cause remember, you aren't playing the player after all, you're playing a perfect robot once you pick superman clearly). It's like talking to a wall

 

[JaredL]

To catch you up, it started w/him talking about Bane like understood the char. Turns out as I suspected, he doesn't. He then says his frame data is "shit" and naturally that's not correct. I said Bane is at plus frames on certain moves. That wasn't good enough for him. He then counter points every scenario you have like Superman can do 3000 things at one time and Superman will make 100% reads against you all the time (cause remember, you aren't playing the player after all, you're playing a perfect robot once you pick superman clearly). It's like talking to a wall

Being plus on frames does not mean your frame data is good you retarded idiot.

If you frame data is SLOW, as in START UP FRAMES. It isn't all about block advantage you idiotic moron.

Supermans F23 is FASTER THAN EVERY SINGLE MOVE IN BANES MOVELIST.

Who gives a fucking shit, if Bane is + on block, when superman is faster than everything Bane can do?

And yes, you can't be a perfect robot who makes perfect reads, that's why its 8-2 and not 10-0

Bane simply does not have the tools in this matchup to win consistently. He can only win by making constant great reads, and constant luck.

 

[big_aug]

To catch you up, it started w/him talking about Bane like understood the char. Turns out as I suspected, he doesn't. He then says his frame data is "shit" and naturally that's not correct. I said Bane is at plus frames on certain moves. That wasn't good enough for him. He then counter points every scenario you have like Superman can do 3000 things at one time and Superman will make 100% reads against you all the time (cause remember, you aren't playing the player after all, you're playing a perfect robot once you pick superman clearly). It's like talking to a wall

Yea, I mean, if both characters played PERFECT in every situation I think Superman wins every time. It doesn't work like that though. Fighting games are basically just really fast paced real-time strategy games after all. Superman is definitely better, but whatever.

Play someone else if you don't want to deal with it is what I would say.

 

[RWDY Nori]

JaredL Calm down and actually think. Seriously, I know your blood is boiling right now over the fact that maybe some kid at school did F23 to you in the hallway, but it gets better. So calm down, let's focus. All I've doing is telling you this matchup is far from impossible, it's not as bad as you say it is. Simply cause you don't play either char, I know you don't know any better.

-Superman can jump up and do lasers, it's VERY negative on block, I can block and dash in. Punish
-Superman can F23 me. Ok, what else? I can backdash now, I can jump, I can actually move cause stopped
-Superman can F23 breath and it hits me. Big deal I'm across the screen now and I can get back in (remember, I have a REALY fast dash now)
-Superman can F23 MB Breath if he thinks I'll take the hit. That would suck if he guess right but if he does, then fine. What if he guessed wrong? MB Breath on block is negative, now I can move in
-Superman doesn't have great wakeup, so if I actually punished one of his blocked air lasers, I can bait out a wakeup and REALLY hurt him for 60%+
-Let's say Superman doesn't do the wakeup and stands up. Now I'm doing the very impossible thing you said I can't do, I'm gonna use D1 to check him. I can do D1 to double punch. I can do D1 to command grab.
-Bane is also one of the best in the game in the corner, but I'll leave that for another time


Superman is a jack of all trades, but he has weaknesses. If you ever MAINED Superman, you would understand this. I MAINED him, I know he can't just blindly hit F23 against Bane and it's an easy win all day. I've beaten good Supermans, I've lost to good Supermans. This match is not 8-2, it's 6-4